I have a difficult time understanding why people complain about Wal-Mart....

[steppinthrax]

I guess I was looking over the many reasons from www.wakupwalmart.com neg about Wal-Mart. I have a hard time understanding why people complain about this considering it happens with almost all low-end employing retail industries. I also find it hard to understand why someone should think they can possibly earn a living wage from a retail outlet. Most retail-industries require little if any educational background for a cashier for example. People in this country are paid for their experience and education (specialty background). Those who are hard to find are paid more then those who are easy to find. This also goes a long with educational background v.s. job.

The fact that Wal-mart pays female workers low then male workers happens in almost every American corporation. We can draw from Federal Labor statistics that this is true around the country. But people seem to pick on Wal-mart about it.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

I also find it hard to understand why someone should think they can possibly earn a living wage from a retail outlet.

I imagine most of the complaining comes from people who do not work at Wal-mart. As with all other jobs, people take the best option available to them at the time. If someone takes a job that pays $6/hour at Wal-Mart, they probably don't have a dozen offers at better-paying jobs...

As for why Wal-Mart gets picked on, I don't know.

 

[Moonbeam]

I have cockroaches in my kitchen but I pay no attention to them because there are billions more outside.

 

[StageLeft]

Obviously, I'm the only one to visit your www.wakupwalmart.com link and it's crap. What's the real URL?

 

[HombrePequeno]

I don't really like the fact that for the most part they don't offer medical coverage. Most people that are working at Wal-Mart can't afford insurance on their own so they rely on the state.

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Obviously, I'm the only one to visit your www.wakupwalmart.com link and it's crap. What's the real URL?

He missed the 'e' in wake up.

 

[steppinthrax]

http://www.wakeupwalmart.com/

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I guess I was looking over the many reasons from www.wakupwalmart.com neg about Wal-Mart. I have a hard time understanding why people complain about this considering it happens with almost all low-end employing retail industries. I also find it hard to understand why someone should think they can possibly earn a living wage from a retail outlet. Most retail-industries require little if any educational background for a cashier for example. People in this country are paid for their experience and education (specialty background). Those who are hard to find are paid more then those who are easy to find. This also goes a long with educational background v.s. job.

The fact that Wal-mart pays female workers low then male workers happens in almost every American corporation. We can draw from Federal Labor statistics that this is true around the country. But people seem to pick on Wal-mart about it.

Maybe because some people expect better from what used to be an American Company?

Obviously your expectations for America are extremely kow.

 

[umbrella39]

I can't complain about somewhere I refuse to shop at. Thankfully, we have many alternatives where I live.

 

[waggy]

Walmart is the new thing to bitch about. it has replaced Microsoft.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I guess I was looking over the many reasons from www.wakupwalmart.com neg about Wal-Mart. I have a hard time understanding why people complain about this considering it happens with almost all low-end employing retail industries. I also find it hard to understand why someone should think they can possibly earn a living wage from a retail outlet. Most retail-industries require little if any educational background for a cashier for example. People in this country are paid for their experience and education (specialty background). Those who are hard to find are paid more then those who are easy to find. This also goes a long with educational background v.s. job.

The fact that Wal-mart pays female workers low then male workers happens in almost every American corporation. We can draw from Federal Labor statistics that this is true around the country. But people seem to pick on Wal-mart about it.

Maybe because some people expect better from what used to be an American Company?

Obviously your expectations for America are extremely kow.

If you have no degree of higher education, no special skills and no job experience. What the hell do you expect. EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY WORKS THEIR WAY UP. PEOPLE DON'T GET THINGS FOR FREE. This is not Canada. You have to do something to get something. I don't understand why people feel they have to make a living wage at wal-mart. A living wage is based on how you live on it. If you expect a house a car medical insurance and a good meal on the table with Wal-mart your living in a dream world. Unless your a manager or even a district manager of the company your dreaming.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

the majority of anti-walmart sites are union financed.


simply put, if wal-mart were to unionize you would probably never hear anything negative about them again.


unionizing low paying jobs only serves to fatten the unions war chest, it does nothing for the workers

 

[tomywishbone]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I have cockroaches in my kitchen but I pay no attention to them because there are billions more outside.

I don't know what this means, I just like it.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

unionizing low paying jobs only serves to fatten the unions war chest, it does nothing for the workers

Wrong.

Anyways, the reason why so many people talk trash about Wal-Mart is because they are the single largest target. If you have limited resources to put towards something, you can run issue ads against Uncle Jimmy's hardware store that maybe 1000 people know about, or Wal-Mart that billions of people know about. It's just the smart thing to do.

Also, Wal-Mart's treatment of their employees is particularly crappy even compared to other outlets with similar employee demographics.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

If you have no degree of higher education, no special skills and no job experience.

What the hell do you expect.

EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY WORKS THEIR WAY UP. PEOPLE DON'T GET THINGS FOR FREE. This is not Canada. You have to do something to get something.

I don't understand why people feel they have to make a living wage at wal-mart.

A living wage is based on how you live on it. If you expect a house a car medical insurance and a good meal on the table with Wal-mart your living in a dream world. Unless your a manager or even a district manager of the company your dreaming.

So what kind of living do you expect out of a full 40 hour work week?

Enough to live in a cardboard box in a park, barely enough to eat and no health insurance?

Like I said, Low expectations for America.

Welcome to Third World America supported by steppinthrax and his Republican friends.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Shivetya

unionizing low paying jobs only serves to fatten the unions war chest, it does nothing for the workers

Wrong.

Anyways, the reason why so many people talk trash about Wal-Mart is because they are the single largest target. If you have limited resources to put towards something, you can run issue ads against Uncle Jimmy's hardware store that maybe 1000 people know about, or Wal-Mart that billions of people know about. It's just the smart thing to do.

Also, Wal-Mart's treatment of their employees is particularly crappy even compared to other outlets with similar employee demographics.

The thing is almost all retail-industries are the same.

1. Low wages or lack of living wages
2. Sometimes little to no healthcare
3. Wage disparities between M and F
4. Poor treatment of employees.

This is pretty similar. I can name about 10 different employers who do the same. Conversley there are a lot of large high paying companies that have some of these points.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

If you have no degree of higher education, no special skills and no job experience.

What the hell do you expect.

EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY WORKS THEIR WAY UP. PEOPLE DON'T GET THINGS FOR FREE. This is not Canada. You have to do something to get something.

I don't understand why people feel they have to make a living wage at wal-mart.

A living wage is based on how you live on it. If you expect a house a car medical insurance and a good meal on the table with Wal-mart your living in a dream world. Unless your a manager or even a district manager of the company your dreaming.

So what kind of living do you expect out of a full 40 hour work week?

Enough to live in a cardboard box in a park, barely enough to eat and no health insurance?

Like I said, Low expectations for America.

Welcome to Third World America supported by steppinthrax and his Republican friends.

It depends on the job, of course. If youre a cashier at a retail store, 7.50-12/hour DOE (which is what WalMart, Target, and most other retailers pay BTW). If youre a heart surgeon who saves people lives, 5k/week. And everything in between. Why is this unfair? Why should a job that requires zero skills, zero training pay 40k/year?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Shivetya

unionizing low paying jobs only serves to fatten the unions war chest, it does nothing for the workers

Wrong.

Anyways, the reason why so many people talk trash about Wal-Mart is because they are the single largest target. If you have limited resources to put towards something, you can run issue ads against Uncle Jimmy's hardware store that maybe 1000 people know about, or Wal-Mart that billions of people know about. It's just the smart thing to do.

Also, Wal-Mart's treatment of their employees is particularly crappy even compared to other outlets with similar employee demographics.

Uh Walmarts uninsured rate is similar compared to other retail outlets like Target. The reasons Walmart has been the target is Union. Especially grociers unions as Walmart is starting to move in on their territory.

This fake care about the employee's of Walmart is getting stale very fast. The hypocrisy is amazing. These self professed humanitarians block Walmarts from being erected. The result is instead of having a low paying means to provide for ones self, these people dont have any economic simulus and go jobless.

But these douchebags can pat themselves on the back as fighting for the little guy as they drive their Volvo into their gated community and get ready for a nice glass of white wine.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
unionizing low paying jobs only serves to fatten the unions war chest, it does nothing for the workers

That's not the case in my area. Union workers at Safeway make a lot more money than their counterparts at Walmart, and get benefits too. Not sure what you mean by doing nothing for the workers. You can argue that it does too much for the workers.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

If you have no degree of higher education, no special skills and no job experience.

What the hell do you expect.

EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY WORKS THEIR WAY UP. PEOPLE DON'T GET THINGS FOR FREE. This is not Canada. You have to do something to get something.

I don't understand why people feel they have to make a living wage at wal-mart.

A living wage is based on how you live on it. If you expect a house a car medical insurance and a good meal on the table with Wal-mart your living in a dream world. Unless your a manager or even a district manager of the company your dreaming.

So what kind of living do you expect out of a full 40 hour work week?

Enough to live in a cardboard box in a park, barely enough to eat and no health insurance?

Like I said, Low expectations for America.

Welcome to Third World America supported by steppinthrax and his Republican friends.

It depends on the job, of course. If youre a cashier at a retail store, 7.50-12/hour DOE (which is what WalMart, Target, and most other retailers pay BTW). If youre a heart surgeon who saves people lives, 5k/week. And everything in between. Why is this unfair? Why should a job that requires zero skills, zero training pay 40k/year?

EXACTLY MY POINT :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
If you have no degree of higher education, no special skills and no job experience. What the hell do you expect. EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY WORKS THEIR WAY UP. PEOPLE DON'T GET THINGS FOR FREE. This is not Canada. You have to do something to get something. I don't understand why people feel they have to make a living wage at wal-mart. A living wage is based on how you live on it. If you expect a house a car medical insurance and a good meal on the table with Wal-mart your living in a dream world. Unless your a manager or even a district manager of the company your dreaming.

Wow, i am just wowed everytime i look into P&N. Honestly sometimes i feel like its trying to teach quantum mechanics to some one with no math background at all. Where the hell do you start? Obviously with the math, but its quantum mechanics and you should have prerequisite math before showing up. Too many posters here dont have the prerequisites to post the shit that they do.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: waggy
Walmart is the new thing to bitch about. it has replaced Microsoft.

Wrong way to look at it. There is plenty of room in my heart to hate the arrogance of both Walmart and Microsoft. And even have room left over. One need not displace the other.

But in some ways Walmart represents Marx and Engels end stage for capitalism sowing the seeds of its own destruction. And some of the totally socially irresponsible stunts Walmart
has pulled on many small communities is almost unforgivable. But first Walmart builds a store in some small community and then under prices to put all existing local businesses into bankruptcy. Then Walmart gleefully raises prices in the non-competitive scenario its created.
And then if profits are still not enough, they close shop and suddenly the folks are served by nothing and have to drive 60-100 miles to buy anything at retail.

But on the other hand Walmart is very efficient and can deliver the lowest retail price. Just don't think those saving are cost free.

 

[Kwaipie]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Shivetya

unionizing low paying jobs only serves to fatten the unions war chest, it does nothing for the workers

Wrong.

Anyways, the reason why so many people talk trash about Wal-Mart is because they are the single largest target. If you have limited resources to put towards something, you can run issue ads against Uncle Jimmy's hardware store that maybe 1000 people know about, or Wal-Mart that billions of people know about. It's just the smart thing to do.

Also, Wal-Mart's treatment of their employees is particularly crappy even compared to other outlets with similar employee demographics.

The thing is almost all retail-industries are the same.

1. Low wages or lack of living wages
2. Sometimes little to no healthcare
3. Wage disparities between M and F
4. Poor treatment of employees.

This is pretty similar. I can name about 10 different employers who do the same. Conversley there are a lot of large high paying companies that have some of these points.

The difference between your 10 different employers is they are not the largest employer in the free world. Nor are they headed by some of the richest people in the world. This is Carnegie and the railroad barons all over again. The unions put an end to their practices and will do so for the WalMart employees as well. Here's your scenario:

Mom and Pop Hardware Store employs 6 people and pays them $2 an hour over minimum wage because their employees are dedicated to Mom and Pop and are interested in Mom and Pop's hardware store doing well.
WalMart moves to town and the people rejoice at the massive savings they get on Chinese made products. Mom and Pop can't compete and go out of business, the 6 employees at Mom and Pops need to get new jobs. Hey look! WalMart is hiring, but offering less and no health insurance. But what are you going to do? You gotta eat. Oh and WalMart is only going to give you 38 hours a week, which in your state means you're not working full time, hence, you're a part time worker and don't get the benefits and protection full time employment offers. Add all this up and you really don't give a crap if your employer is successful, you have a crap attitude and it shows at work, you treat your customers accordingly.

WalMart's size in the industry is enormous, suppliers have never seen such a monopolistic retailer. It allows WalMart to put huge pressure on suppliers to provide WalMart with exceptional savings on price/shipping etc that smaller businesses cannot compete with. This causes these suppliers to cut costs, reduce overhead and then their employees feel the pinch. All of the sudden their benefits are being cut, the supplier has no choice, they have to sell their product and WalMart is really the only game in town.

It is a vicious spiral downwards and "business first" conservatives can kiss my No WalMart Shopping Ass.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Shivetya

unionizing low paying jobs only serves to fatten the unions war chest, it does nothing for the workers

Wrong.

Anyways, the reason why so many people talk trash about Wal-Mart is because they are the single largest target. If you have limited resources to put towards something, you can run issue ads against Uncle Jimmy's hardware store that maybe 1000 people know about, or Wal-Mart that billions of people know about. It's just the smart thing to do.

Also, Wal-Mart's treatment of their employees is particularly crappy even compared to other outlets with similar employee demographics.

The thing is almost all retail-industries are the same.

1. Low wages or lack of living wages
2. Sometimes little to no healthcare
3. Wage disparities between M and F
4. Poor treatment of employees.

This is pretty similar. I can name about 10 different employers who do the same. Conversley there are a lot of large high paying companies that have some of these points.

The difference between your 10 different employers is they are not the largest employer in the free world. Nor are they headed by some of the richest people in the world. This is Carnegie and the railroad barons all over again. The unions put an end to their practices and will do so for the WalMart employees as well. Here's your scenario:

Mom and Pop Hardware Store employs 6 people and pays them $2 an hour over minimum wage because their employees are dedicated to Mom and Pop and are interested in Mom and Pop's hardware store doing well.
WalMart moves to town and the people rejoice at the massive savings they get on Chinese made products. Mom and Pop can't compete and go out of business, the 6 employees at Mom and Pops need to get new jobs. Hey look! WalMart is hiring, but offering less and no health insurance. But what are you going to do? You gotta eat. Oh and WalMart is only going to give you 38 hours a week, which in your state means you're not working full time, hence, you're a part time worker and don't get the benefits and protection full time employment offers. Add all this up and you really don't give a crap if your employer is successful, you have a crap attitude and it shows at work, you treat your customers accordingly.

WalMart's size in the industry is enormous, suppliers have never seen such a monopolistic retailer. It allows WalMart to put huge pressure on suppliers to provide WalMart with exceptional savings on price/shipping etc that smaller businesses cannot compete with. This causes these suppliers to cut costs, reduce overhead and then their employees feel the pinch. All of the sudden their benefits are being cut, the supplier has no choice, they have to sell their product and WalMart is really the only game in town.

It is a vicious spiral downwards and "business first" conservatives can kiss my No WalMart Shopping Ass.

Quite the doom and gloom portrait you paint. I bet you sleep better at night believing such crap. Mom and Pop paying 2 bucks above min wage arent providing health insurance nor benefits either. So why arent you ragging on mom and pop shops for such crummy working conditions? Since we have established both employers offer sub par working conditions. Isnt it better if one provides lower prices to the consumer?

And all of those companies previously mentioned have buying power and do their best to negotiate the lowest possible price using that buying power. Pointing out Walmart as a sole beneficiary of such negotiation is a half truth.

btw which states have 38 hour full time requirement? i am pretty sure most states are 32 hours.

 

[shrumpage]

I like Wal-mart, we shop there all the time. When ya got kids and need to get clothes its a great place to go, even then we try to get stuff off the clearance rack.

I used to work in a low end retail job - it sucked. The pay was low, and my fellow co-works (with a few exceptions) weren't the brightest bunch. It doesn't take much skill to stock shelves, ring people up, or clean. I don't expect to make 10-15 bucks an hour doing it. Since then I've worked my way up via better jobs AND education.

Having a low paying job can be a great motivator.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Shivetya

unionizing low paying jobs only serves to fatten the unions war chest, it does nothing for the workers

Wrong.

Anyways, the reason why so many people talk trash about Wal-Mart is because they are the single largest target. If you have limited resources to put towards something, you can run issue ads against Uncle Jimmy's hardware store that maybe 1000 people know about, or Wal-Mart that billions of people know about. It's just the smart thing to do.

Also, Wal-Mart's treatment of their employees is particularly crappy even compared to other outlets with similar employee demographics.

Uh Walmarts uninsured rate is similar compared to other retail outlets like Target. The reasons Walmart has been the target is Union. Especially grociers unions as Walmart is starting to move in on their territory.

This fake care about the employee's of Walmart is getting stale very fast. The hypocrisy is amazing. These self professed humanitarians block Walmarts from being erected. The result is instead of having a low paying means to provide for ones self, these people dont have any economic simulus and go jobless.

But these douchebags can pat themselves on the back as fighting for the little guy as they drive their Volvo into their gated community and get ready for a nice glass of white wine.

"In a state analysis, the Massachusetts Department of Health and Human Services found that in 2003, Wal-Mart covered only 52% of total health care premium costs compared to K-Mart which covered 66%, Target which covered 68%, and Sears which covered 80% ["Employers Who Have 50 or More Employees Using Public Health Assistance," Division of Health Care Finance and Policy, 2/2005] "


A large number of wal-mart workers have to go to state health coverage (i.e. taxpayers are paying instead of wal-mart). So wal-mart pays less and on top of that makes its insurance so high that people can;t afford so the state has to pick up the slack.

I hate long term welfare, no matter if that is for a person or a business. The worse is the business that brings in billions while getting the state to pick up its tab.