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Vic

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I liked them early on, before they went mega-huge, but then they started to fall off with "Before These Crowded Streets" and "Everyday" was just plain crap. Too bad but it just seems like they ran out of artistic steam. Most of their best work are songs that they wrote before they ever had a recording contract (notice that they have different versions, all studio, of the same songs on several different albums). Ah well.
Still, they are very talented artists and one of the best live shows I have ever seen. Kinda lame now that every dipsh!t and his brother claims to be a fan...
 

StageLeft

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<< Dave Matthews is popular among fratboy potheads. Something about his music apparently goes well with getting high. Since just about all fratboys are potheads, that explains his popularity. >>

Sad.
 

luv2chill

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<< I liked them early on, before they went mega-huge, but then they started to fall off with "Before These Crowded Streets" and "Everyday" was just plain crap. Too bad but it just seems like they ran out of artistic steam. Most of their best work are songs that they wrote before they ever had a recording contract (notice that they have different versions, all studio, of the same songs on several different albums). Ah well.
Still, they are very talented artists and one of the best live shows I have ever seen. Kinda lame now that every dipsh!t and his brother claims to be a fan...
>>

Just wait until Busted Stuff comes out in a month or two. IMHO it is the best stuff he has ever written, and that carries some weight because I pretty much think "Under The Table And Dreaming" and "Crash" are both in my top ten albums of all time. If you've heard the unreleased "Lillywhite Sessions" then you've heard the majority of "Busted Stuff". It's sort of dark and melancholy but damn it is good.

It bothers me sometimes when I see the "reputation" that seems to get attached to "DMB fans"--deserved or not. I couldn't care less whether any of those other people were fans. When I first picked up "UTTAD" in 95 I knew it would always be one of my favorite albums, and it still is.

But where Dave really shines is live. He's not all about flashy outfits, choreography, lip-synching, or pyrotechnics. What you get at DMB shows is a band up on stage singing and playing their asses off. They don't need any of that extra crap to keep people entertained--the music is enough (as it should be). And after all this time they keep selling out shows every single year.

If his popularity faded after a year or two I might attribute his success to the "bandwagon" principle y'all love to toss around, but the sheer fact that his success is not only lasting but increasing speaks volumes (to me anyway). The guy simply knows how to write and perform good music that speaks to you on as deep a level as you're willing to listen. And more and more people are seeking out the good stuff because there's so much corporate C-R-A-P out there.

For those in-tune with the music world, you can feel the changes that are happening. The days of N Sync and their ilk are coming to a close (for a few years anyway). Thank the sweet lord for that.

l2c
 
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Xerox - I was about to post the same thing. I think DMB sucks my arse - I can't stand the music.

/me quickly pees on Xerox to put out the flames
 

Orsorum

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luv2chill - good words.

I've only gotten into him in the last year and a half or so... I've loved every minute of it. I don't think I've heard a song of his that I don't like.
 

Atrail

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I like DMB, but I really do not care for their last album "Everyday", I bought it and I wish I would not have.
There is nothing new or impressive there and the lyrics can't make up for it.
 

Acanthus

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I personally think he needs to stop speaking japanese in all of his songs???

WAIT??? THATS ENGLISH?!?!?!?!?!

and for so long i thought it was just jibberish, now i understand it completely

Crash into me ya baby, genius at work
With little ants marching and underneath the table and dreaming, the guys a fruit loop, and you guys endorse it, good work, pots bad 4 u
 

BillGates

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Chicks like fat sweaty guys - and I guess wussy guys can listen to that testosterone-sapping crap too....

I'm going to listen to a band with electric guitars and loud bass guitars, rock on, and be a man who is not sensitive, sappy, or insecure.
 

Red Dawn

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DMB music does absolutely nothing for me. In fact when I hear it on the radio I change the station.
 

Triumph

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Don't worry Xerox, I hate DMB too. I find it funny when talking to people about music, seems they invariably say, "I love DMB!" And they always looked so shocked when I tell them I hate him.
 

StinkyMeat

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<< It's not about the music; it's about the concerts. At DMB shows, which I've been going to for several years now, the concert atmosphere is one of the best. >>



I disagree. This past year, I went to a show which had lawn seating. The crowd was the most stuck up, drunk, high, inconsiderate and rude I have ever seen. We ended up going to the way back to just listen to the music.

I like DMB. I'm not a fanatic. The kind of music, and I don't think anyone can argue this, is unique with it's guitar/string/sax sound. It's really amazing how good these guys are at playing together.

But Everday sucked the big one. I don' t like the new sound. Lillywhite Sessions is one of the best albums I own.
 

Ornery

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Completely agree with Xerox Man. I Don't get it. Don't hate it, but I don't get it. Same with Garth Brooks. I don't care for country anyway, but I don't see why he stands out.

"I never understood the appeal of "I want to hold your hand".

Put it in context of the other tunes topping the charts in 1964:
  • 1 Johnny Angel Shelly Fabares
    2 Donna Ritchie Valens
    3 Sherry Four Seasons
    4 Summer Holiday Cliff Richard
    5 Runaway Del Shannon
    6 It's My Party Lesley Gore
    7 She Loves You Beatles
    8 Surfin U.S.A. Beach Boys
    9 Sealed With A Kiss Brian Hyland
    10 Roses Are Red Bobby Vinton
    11 Soldier Boy Shirelles
    12 Palisades Park Freddie Cannon
    13 Jailhouse Rock Elvis Presley
    14 He's A Rebel The Crystals
    15 Breaking Up Is Hard To Do Neil Sedaka
    16 Return To Sender Elvis Presley
    17 Sheila Tommy Roe
    18 The Young Ones Cliff Richard
    19 Bachelor Boy Cliff Richard
    20 I Will Follow Him Little Peggy March
    21 Martian Hop The Ran-Dells
    22 Judy's Turn To Cry Leslie Gore
    23 Johnny Get Angry Joannie Sommers
    24 Tell Laura I Love Her Ray Peterson
    25 Sugar Shack Jimmy Gilmer
    26 My Dad Paul Peterson
    27 Devil In Disguse Elvis Presley
    28 Diana Paul Anka
    29 Rhythm Of The Rain Cascades
    30 Just One Look Doris Troy
    31 Indian Giver Bobby Curtola
    32 My Boyfriends Back Angels
    33 Bobby's Girl Marcie Blaine
    34 Loco-Motion Little Eva
    35 It's All In The Game Cliff Richard
    36 Mockingbird Inez Foxx
    37 Big Girls Don't Cry Four Seasons
    38 Charlena Ritchie Knight
    39 Fortune Teller Bobby Curtola
    40 Telstar Tornados
    41 Blue Velvet Bobby Vinton
    42 Three Rows Over Bobby Curtola
    43 Monster Mash Bobby "Boris" Pickett
    44 The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence Gene Pitney
    45 Venus In Blue Jeans Jimmy Clanton
    46 Sink The Bismark Johnny Horton
    47 Hats Off To Larry Del Shannon
    48 Needles & Pins Jackie De Shannon
    49 I Want To Hold Your Hand Beatles
    50 He's So Fine Chiffons
Now do ya get it?

Quite a few of those are long gone, rarely ever listened to now, even on oldies stations. Most Beatles stuff still has some appeal. Ya think anybody will be playing DMB or Garth Brooks 40 years from now, even for nostalgia's sake?
 

royaldank

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<< Too much strumming, not enough fret work. >>



I'd suggest looking into his style of guitar playing. The fret is getting quite a workout to have his sound.

To those that never understood the fascination with following a band, here is a word about that. If you haven't done multiple shows or an entire tour before, you probably don't understand what the fascination is. But, with Grateful Dead, Phish, Widespread, Cheese, etc., there is a whole other world happening around these bands. The guys that travel for an entire tour live on the road with one another. You get to the next parking lot and walk around and find your friends. You sell some goods, food, or whatever to make ends meet and get gas money for the next town. Each day you wake up in a world where there is an economy system created by you for yourself. It's a challenge and a joy to make the next city and get tickets. And, at 8:30, all the days work pays off when you're out on the lawn (or in your seats) surrounded by 5 to 10 thousands friends you've made on the road. You know everyone there has the same appreciate for the art created on stage each and every night. These are the fans that listen to a song each night and pick out what is different and how they progressed differently to a completely different jam or some obscure musical reference. Playing Warehouse for 10 minutes each night is what art is for these bands. Dave Matthews falls in there, but he's also got an incredible commercial enterprise going. He's been playing the same way for the last 8 years. Someone mentioned why does every song turn into a 10 minute noodle-fest? Because that is the art he creates. The song is different every night, whether the average ear can hear it or not. But, the fans following each show can hear the difference and it's what makes them happy. You get off on following your favorite songs to new places and hearing the jam as it is created and following with your closest friends that understand it like no one else.

Dave Matthews falls into the realm of jambands and it's different than other music. It's not Britney Spears here, they don't punch play on the CD player and then hit the stage to lip sync. These guys create art each night through improvisational jamming and exploration. It really is a different world on tour, but it's not for everyone.

If you aren't a fan of Dave, then I wouldn't suggest going. If you don't like his 10 minute jams then don't go so see him. He's been doing that ever since he began. He's not changing, or so I've read. I personally haven't seen a Dave show in 4 years, since prices got out of the $20-$30 range. Before that, I saw close to 25 shows from 400 capacity clubs to a 20,000 seat arena. It was great everytime. He knows his music and creates it on stage each night with everyone else in the band.

But, it's not for everyone. Touring is not for everyone. But, saying he sucks or that the band sucks is pretty asanine. I don't think I'd say Backstreet Boys suck, but you'd never catch me listening to it. You have to learn to appreciate that everyone likes different stuff.
 

pulse8

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You don't understand it and you don't like it, so it MUST suck.
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Gunbuster

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Hate the lyrics (is every song about spreading a girls legs) and cant stand his voice


 

ElFenix

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i don't like their studio stuff at all but they are incredible live.
 

CKDragon

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<< To those that never understood the fascination with following a band, here is a word about that. If you haven't done multiple shows or an entire tour before, you probably don't understand what the fascination is. But, with Grateful Dead, Phish, Widespread, Cheese, etc., there is a whole other world happening around these bands. The guys that travel for an entire tour live on the road with one another. You get to the next parking lot and walk around and find your friends. You sell some goods, food, or whatever to make ends meet and get gas money for the next town. Each day you wake up in a world where there is an economy system created by you for yourself. It's a challenge and a joy to make the next city and get tickets. And, at 8:30, all the days work pays off when you're out on the lawn (or in your seats) surrounded by 5 to 10 thousands friends you've made on the road. You know everyone there has the same appreciate for the art created on stage each and every night. These are the fans that listen to a song each night and pick out what is different and how they progressed differently to a completely different jam or some obscure musical reference. Playing Warehouse for 10 minutes each night is what art is for these bands. Dave Matthews falls in there, but he's also got an incredible commercial enterprise going. He's been playing the same way for the last 8 years. Someone mentioned why does every song turn into a 10 minute noodle-fest? Because that is the art he creates. The song is different every night, whether the average ear can hear it or not. But, the fans following each show can hear the difference and it's what makes them happy. You get off on following your favorite songs to new places and hearing the jam as it is created and following with your closest friends that understand it like no one else. >>



So these people that follow the bands... I'll infer that since they're on the road all the time that they don't have time to go to school or have regular jobs? Man, I wish I could be just like them
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I won't say that they suck, but they're definitely overrated and have been for a while now.

CK
 

BillGates

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So these people that follow the bands... I'll infer that since they're on the road all the time that they don't have time to go to school or have regular jobs? Man, I wish I could be just like them

Tehheeheehhhh - you really think that hippies have jobs??!!??
 

SWScorch

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I think MGB is "pretty good." They have good music and interesting lyrics, but they dont have enough technical skill or the capacity to create truly enthralling hooks. But I like em; I just dont love em.