I hate mobile phones....

[dank69]

Knowing that Samsung will be watching me masturbate, either through my phone or through my TV, or both, is honestly the only thing that gets me out of bed in the morning.

 

[sdifox]

Knowing that Samsung will be watching me masturbate, either through my phone or through my TV, or both, is honestly the only thing that gets me out of bed in the morning.

Don't worry. They don't get many views. Til they get uploaded to pornhub

 

[Red Squirrel]

I hate how closed they are and how everything seems to revolve around them, and they are basically controlled by 2 big companies only so you're at their mercy. Not to mention all the data mining and spying they do. So many products now days require an app just so you can use it so you're almost forced to be into the phone ecosystem. I personally use a custom rom and try to avoid such products but it does limit a lot of what I can do. Like if I want to buy an off the shelf action camera or drone or something pretty much all of them require apps now. I've even seen internet routers require apps. The other issue I have with that is planned obsolescence, since you need to rely on the fact that the app is always going to be available on the store when you upgrade your phone. There is no way to back that up. Not like PC where you can image a hard drive or keep a backup of the installer file etc. Most of this app stuff could easily be a web interface or PC software instead and it would be so much better.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The other issue I have with that is planned obsolescence, since you need to rely on the fact that the app is always going to be available on the store when you upgrade your phone. There is no way to back that up. Not like PC where you can image a hard drive or keep a backup of the installer file etc. Most of this app stuff could easily be a web interface or PC software instead and it would be so much better.

+1

Whoever came up with this idea was a dumb, egotistic, greedy moron.

Oh wait. That was Steve Jobs.

 

[lxskllr]

You should be able to backup your apps. There's manager programs that'll do it, and ghost commander file manager will. It /may/ not work for every app. The method of app delivery/installation has gotten more complicated over the years, and I don't really follow this stuff, but it's worked for the apps I've backed up.

 

[igor_kavinski]

but it's worked for the apps I've backed up.

Can you restore the apps to a future phone with a different Android version?

 

[lxskllr]

Can you restore the apps to a future phone with a different Android version?

Yes, assuming it's compatible. It's just backing up the app. If something changed that made the app incompatible, it won't work.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yes, assuming it's compatible. It's just backing up the app. If something changed that made the app incompatible, it won't work.

That's a no for me. I can make x86 applications work in a VM if they are no longer supported in the current Windows version. That's why I don't install apps. Don't want to get used to something that might not be available tomorrow. The ones I HAVE to use are Whatsapp and Youtube.

 

[lxskllr]

:shrugs: I think I have one app installed that doesn't give me access to the source code. If it came down to it, I could fork the app, or pay someone else to do it to get compatibility.

 

[sdifox]

Can you restore the apps to a future phone with a different Android version?

Ask the squirrel how many apps he has to run in winXP because they won't run in win10

 

[Red Squirrel]

Ask the squirrel how many apps he has to run in winXP because they won't run in win10

You can easily image an XP machine and rebuild it on similar hardware though. Lots of old stuff still running on XP but app stuff will go obsolete very fast with no real way to preserve it. I don't expect any phone is capable of lasting decades without having issues with the hardware itself, and then there's no way to really rebuild the same environment on a newer phone.

Although the fact of still needing XP is more a proprietary software issue in general. Most phone apps for products are proprietary. If they were open source it would be less of an issue.

 

[nakedfrog]

That's a no for me. I can make x86 applications work in a VM if they are no longer supported in the current Windows version. That's why I don't install apps. Don't want to get used to something that might not be available tomorrow. The ones I HAVE to use are Whatsapp and Youtube.

Android emulators exist too, never tried to specifically see if an app for controlling a device works from an emulated phone though.

 

[biostud]

I was a FLAC man myself, but since I've gotten Tidal with my carrier, I really don't bother anymore.
I have 65GB data/free talk/Tidal for ~$26/month

 

[biostud]

It's a pretty useful tool, but naturally I still use my laptop or desktop PCs for a lot of stuff. It's nice to have a GPS map, music player, and camera all in one small device. I don't really keep up with specs or anything, and only buy a new one when there's something wrong with the old one that's not easily fixed (disassembling, and more importantly, reassembling a smart phone is a hassle).

I upgraded my phone because the screen was cracked, the battery couldn't hold a charge for a day and it was starting to reboot randomly.

 

[manly]

That's a no for me. I can make x86 applications work in a VM if they are no longer supported in the current Windows version. That's why I don't install apps. Don't want to get used to something that might not be available tomorrow. The ones I HAVE to use are Whatsapp and Youtube.

Which flip phone do you recommend for Luddites?

 

[sdifox]

You can easily image an XP machine and rebuild it on similar hardware though. Lots of old stuff still running on XP but app stuff will go obsolete very fast with no real way to preserve it. I don't expect any phone is capable of lasting decades without having issues with the hardware itself, and then there's no way to really rebuild the same environment on a newer phone.

Although the fact of still needing XP is more a proprietary software issue in general. Most phone apps for products are proprietary. If they were open source it would be less of an issue.

Here is your apk archive

Aptoide - The alternative Android app store

Find, discover and download the best apps and games for Android in the official Aptoide app store

en.aptoide.com

 

[ch33zw1z]

They have their use, but I'm not interested in specs etc. at all.

This. It’s the only device I have that I just don’t care, I just want it to work with no fuss

 

[igor_kavinski]

Which flip phone do you recommend for Luddites?

A Motorola flip phone that should open automatically when I say, "Open Moto". "Hello Moto" is fine too.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I upgraded my phone because the screen was cracked, the battery couldn't hold a charge for a day and it was starting to reboot randomly.

My Moto X (2013)'s flash storage's NAND cells probably wore out due to heavy Whatsapp activity. Heavy freezing like it was trying to write to NAND but couldn't. That's why I went with the Moto Edge 30. 256GB flash should take quite some time to wear out.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Here is your apk archive

Aptoide - The alternative Android app store

Find, discover and download the best apps and games for Android in the official Aptoide app store

en.aptoide.com

That doesn't really solve the issue that if you buy a device, say, a drone, and it requires an app, there is no way to preserve that app, or if the box has been sitting in the attic for 10-20 years and you decide to actually open it, you're kinda out of luck. It's not like PC stuff where the software is on a CD. And good luck finding a phone/android version where that app will work even if you manage to find a hacked APK for it. Although to be fair even PC stuff now days often just tells you to go download some software. But at least once you download it, you can save it somewhere safe.

I suppose one option for these sort of things would be to get a dedicated phone or tablet for that one device that you just never update then you treat it the same way as a TV remote or something. It's just part of the device and stays with it.

 

[MrSquished]

That doesn't really solve the issue that if you buy a device, say, a drone, and it requires an app, there is no way to preserve that app, or if the box has been sitting in the attic for 10-20 years and you decide to actually open it, you're kinda out of luck. It's not like PC stuff where the software is on a CD. And good luck finding a phone/android version where that app will work even if you manage to find a hacked APK for it. Although to be fair even PC stuff now days often just tells you to go download some software. But at least once you download it, you can save it somewhere safe.

I suppose one option for these sort of things would be to get a dedicated phone or tablet for that one device that you just never update then you treat it the same way as a TV remote or something. It's just part of the device and stays with it.

You have completely bonkers requirements. Take a drone out of its box 20 years later. And you're in IT?

You can still put the latest APK app that drone was compatible with and use it or whatever. You just can't use an APK from an app developed after it's update life.

 

[sdifox]

That doesn't really solve the issue that if you buy a device, say, a drone, and it requires an app, there is no way to preserve that app, or if the box has been sitting in the attic for 10-20 years and you decide to actually open it, you're kinda out of luck. It's not like PC stuff where the software is on a CD. And good luck finding a phone/android version where that app will work even if you manage to find a hacked APK for it. Although to be fair even PC stuff now days often just tells you to go download some software. But at least once you download it, you can save it somewhere safe.

I suppose one option for these sort of things would be to get a dedicated phone or tablet for that one device that you just never update then you treat it the same way as a TV remote or something. It's just part of the device and stays with it.

Eh, you obviously backup whatever apk you want to preserve, how is that different than on PC? BTW that 20 year old CD probably has rot.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Eh, you obviously backup whatever apk you want to preserve, how is that different than on PC? BTW that 20 year old CD probably has rot.

Most apps are not available as APK though. And not sure if I'd trust a 3rd party site that has a hacked version. I recently copied a bunch of 20 year old CDs to my NAS and they were fine.

 

[sdifox]

Most apps are not available as APK though. And not sure if I'd trust a 3rd party site that has a hacked version. I recently copied a bunch of 20 year old CDs to my NAS and they were fine.

All apps are APK... and no, they are not hacked, unless you are talking about paid apps.

 

[sdifox]

I was a FLAC man myself, but since I've gotten Tidal with my carrier, I really don't bother anymore.
I have 65GB data/free talk/Tidal for ~$26/month

We don't get that kind of sweet deals here. Canada probably has the most expensive mobile rates on the planet.