I hate airbags

[Kremlar]

If you had seen as many scalps stuck to car windshields or teeth stuck in steering wheels and dashboards you wouldn't feel that way. And most of them were wearing seatbelts. Seatbelts stretch a lot, as they're supposed to allow you to decelerate a little slower and prevent internal injuries. They sometimes stretch far enough to still allow you to impact the inside of the car somewhere.

So, you're saying for seatbelts to be effect maybe you should be sitting at an appropriate distance from the dash? Gee - sounds like air bags!

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Kremlar

Injuries caused by airbags in odd circumstances when used properly (correct distance from the steering wheel, kids in the back seat, etc) are far less severe than getting into a major accident and not having them at all. Especially side impact and head curtain airbags in a side collision.

Really? I say that's debatable.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/06/050602011343.htm

it was a head on accident. hit another vehicle that had turned in front of me and then hit a telephone pole. my car was totaled. so yeh, i definitely would've been spitting out teeth if it weren't for the airbag.

That's great, I'm sincerely glad for you. I also used to work with a woman that swore she would never wear a seatbelt again because she was in an accident where she was thrown into the rear of her station wagon because she was not wearing a seat belt. The front cabin was crushed, and she claims she would have died if she were strapped to her seat.

Everyone has their reasons, but the fact is - why should I be forced into something I don't agree with?

it can be your choice to not have an airbag - disengage them.

Last I checked, that was illegal. And I've ALREADY paid the insurance and purchase price costs associated with them.

ferchrissakes, now i really see what kind of a person we are dealing with here. frickin lady, one in a million, flies to the back of her vehicle because she has no seatbelt on and reasons that if she did have one on she would've died.
seatbelts save millions of lives. people get struck by lightning, and those are the odds of that lady you speak of. for you to bring up that one incident like it is noteworthy speaks of how far your stupidy ranges.

 

[IGBT]

..we could have had automatic seatbelts.. but got stuck wit balloons instead.

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: Kremlar

If you had seen as many scalps stuck to car windshields or teeth stuck in steering wheels and dashboards you wouldn't feel that way. And most of them were wearing seatbelts. Seatbelts stretch a lot, as they're supposed to allow you to decelerate a little slower and prevent internal injuries. They sometimes stretch far enough to still allow you to impact the inside of the car somewhere.

So, you're saying for seatbelts to be effect maybe you should be sitting at an appropriate distance from the dash? Gee - sounds like air bags!

No asshole. I'm saying that air bags provide protection in severe impacts that seatbelts alone do not. I've seen enough serious accidents up close and personal to know that I want every bit of protection available to prevent me from getting very nasty permanent injuries to my face and upper body.

 

[Spike]

Personally I am happy with an airbag. I think they are a neccesity for the driver due to the steering wheel and for the passenger they should be an option to turn on and off. Thankfully this is what is happening, alot of newer cars have that nice switch to turn off the passenger airbag so you can have your 6 year old or 14 year old up there.

I am happy to pay more for mine but this is the one place where I hope that I never actually get my money's worth!

-spike

 

[Kremlar]

Umm.... If you have collision insurance, you don't have to pay for it.

Umm... that's a very narrow view of the insurance industry.

Car + airbags = higher car value
Higher car value = higher insurance costs

Airbag deployment + accident = higher repair costs
Higher repair costs = higher insurance costs, assuming you are at fault

Accident - insurance + airbags = higher repair costs
higher repair costs = more cash out of your pocket

 

[Schadenfroh]

i read this thread as "i hate airbus"

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..we could have had automatic seatbelts.. but got stuck wit balloons instead.

Automatic seatbelts suck. More people will wear half a seatbelt with automatics than those who will not wear on at all with manuals. It's because once the half goes over your shoulder, you've already got that feeling of safety.

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: jemcam

Originally posted by: Kremlar

If you had seen as many scalps stuck to car windshields or teeth stuck in steering wheels and dashboards you wouldn't feel that way. And most of them were wearing seatbelts. Seatbelts stretch a lot, as they're supposed to allow you to decelerate a little slower and prevent internal injuries. They sometimes stretch far enough to still allow you to impact the inside of the car somewhere.

So, you're saying for seatbelts to be effect maybe you should be sitting at an appropriate distance from the dash? Gee - sounds like air bags!

No asshole. I'm saying that air bags provide protection in severe impacts that seatbelts alone do not. I've seen enough serious accidents up close and personal to know that I want every bit of protection available to prevent me from getting very nasty permanent injuries to my face and upper body.

Too add to that, my father-in-law and his wife highly reccomend airbags so I take it seriously. The fact that he is a senior paramedic and she is a surgeon should tell you enough.

-spike

 

[Kremlar]

I want every bit of protection available to prevent me from getting very nasty permanent injuries to my face and upper body.

That's fantastic! But why should I have to pay for it?



OK, so for everyone that disagrees with my opinion on airbag safety, or the questioning of it, that's FINE.

But why should you be FORCED to pay for it? Why not make it an optional vehicle purchase?

 

[Drakkon]

i've been in accidents in cars both with/without airbags and i have to say i'd take a car with airbags any day of the week. my face hit the place above the glovebox in the car without and broke nose, and knocked out a couple of teeth, and it was only an accident where we rear ended a guy at like 35.
Other accident where airbags did go off was where a guy T boned me on the front end going he was going about 60 (no tire marks on pvement either), my car flipped around a couple of times, and without airbags my head would've not only hit winhield but side windows as well. kept me pinned against the seat and thankfully conscious enough cause car was on fire and fire dept didn't arive for a good 5 mins. I walked away with just a few scratches, bruises and minor burns, and no whiplash the next day either.

I love airbags. Anyone that "hates" them obviously hasn't been in a bad enough accident to realize how great they truely are. Once you get in an accident and have it do its thing you realize waht a true marvel of engineering they are.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Drakkon
i've been in accidents in cars both with/without airbags and i have to say i'd take a car with airbags any day of the week. my face hit the place above the glovebox in the car without and broke nose, and knocked out a couple of teeth, and it was only an accident where we rear ended a guy at like 35.
Other accident where airbags did go off was where a guy T boned me on the front end going he was going about 60 (no tire marks on pvement either), my car flipped around a couple of times, and without airbags my head would've not only hit winhield but side windows as well. kept me pinned against the seat and thankfully conscious enough cause car was on fire and fire dept didn't arive for a good 5 mins. I walked away with just a few scratches, bruises and minor burns, and no whiplash the next day either.

I love airbags. Anyone that "hates" them obviously hasn't been in a bad enough accident to realize how great they truely are. Once you get in an accident and have it do its thing you realize waht a true marvel of engineering they are.

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[jemcam]

Originally posted by: Kremlar

Umm.... If you have collision insurance, you don't have to pay for it.

Umm... that's a very narrow view of the insurance industry.

Car + airbags = higher car value
Higher car value = higher insurance costs

Airbag deployment + accident = higher repair costs
Higher repair costs = higher insurance costs, assuming you are at fault

Accident - insurance + airbags = higher repair costs
higher repair costs = more cash out of your pocket

Insurance companies pay far more for medical bills than they do for car repair. Which do you think would cost more, injuries that include broken bones, stitches, xrays, emergency room trip, ambulance and/or possible helicopter ride, with a night's stay, plus years or months of rehabilitation, or a couple thousand more to replace air bag components?

Get real, that's why you get a discount for having an airbag in your car.

Do your research before you start spouting off showing your ignorance.

 

[nakedfrog]

The F150 we rented last week had some sort of sensor in the passenger seat that disabled the air bag if there wasn't sufficient weight detected.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: deadlyapp
and we didnt know this already? They have warned about it for like the last 10 years!

My grandparents were telling me about 10 year olds getting hit by airbags from as early as the 20's. This is like the oldest automotive news out there!

 

[Kremlar]

Insurance companies pay far more for medical bills than they do for car repair. Which do you think would cost more, injuries that include broken bones, stitches, xrays, emergency room trip, ambulance and/or possible helicopter ride, with a night's stay, plus years or months of rehabilitation, or a couple thousand more to replace air bag components?

LOL. OK - how about injuries associated WITH airbags?

Get real, that's why you get a discount for having an airbag in your car.

Hello? Bottom line is you DO NOT get a discount, you pay for it in other ways.

Do your research before you start spouting off showing your ignorance.

Gee, OK:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/06/050602011343.htm

http://www.airbagonoff.com/rbarticle.htm

http://www.theengineer.co.uk/Articles/290965/Death+by+airbag.htm

http://www.indiacar.com/index2.asp?page...www.indiacar.com/infobank/air_bags.htm

 

[Pliablemoose]

Yet another I hate airbags thread...:Q

Airbags were mandated because the technology had been around for 3 freaking deades and had not been adopted by any major auto manufacturers until congress passed the law.

So you hate airbags, go buy a pre 97' car & STFU, or go volunteer at your local trauma center ER & see how much death & disability they prevent.

Just for giggles, calculate out how many people would have been disabled or killed, the cost of the increased taxes to pay survivors benefits to their dependents or how much the disability costs would be to society in taxes & benefits.

I've never been in an accident in an auto with airbags, but I have totaled 2 Civics & done an end over end in a full size van, and I still have aches & pains from the accidents... I wish I'd had airbags.

 

[Kremlar]

1997: 42,013 highway deaths
1998: 41.480 highway deaths
1999: 41,611 highway deaths
2000: 41,821 highway deaths
2001: 41,730 highway deaths
2002: 42,850 highway deaths
2003: 43,220 highway deaths
2004: 42,800 highway deaths

Where are the results?

 

[Baked]

Don't wear a seat belt either, dumbass.

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: Kremlar
1997: 42,013 highway deaths
1998: 41.480 highway deaths
1999: 41,611 highway deaths
2000: 41,821 highway deaths
2001: 41,730 highway deaths
2002: 42,850 highway deaths
2003: 43,220 highway deaths
2004: 42,800 highway deaths

Where are the results?

Numbers, like this - mean nothing. Questions you should ask, are the number of accidents, vechicals stay constant.

 

[Kremlar]

Don't wear a seat belt either, dumbass.

I believe in the safety advantages in a seatbelt, and I agree that seatbelts should be mandatory - because there are many times someone NOT wearing a seatbelt will shift or get displaced during an accident, causing them to lose control and possibly cause more harm than if they were in their seat.

Having an airbag in your car will not create less danger for other people associated in the accident.

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[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Kremlar
1997: 42,013 highway deaths
1998: 41.480 highway deaths
1999: 41,611 highway deaths
2000: 41,821 highway deaths
2001: 41,730 highway deaths
2002: 42,850 highway deaths
2003: 43,220 highway deaths
2004: 42,800 highway deaths

Where are the results?

Last time I checked, we have millions of new drivers and millions of news cars on the road each year......

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Kremlar
1997: 42,013 highway deaths
1998: 41.480 highway deaths
1999: 41,611 highway deaths
2000: 41,821 highway deaths
2001: 41,730 highway deaths
2002: 42,850 highway deaths
2003: 43,220 highway deaths
2004: 42,800 highway deaths

Where are the results?

LOL, you haven't tken a statistics class have you?

If you really hate airbags, just rip them out of your new car & resell them, problem solved and you can splatter your brains all over the dash just like in the good old days.

 

[Kremlar]

Numbers, like this - mean nothing. Questions you should ask, are the number of accidents, vechicals stay constant.

I agree, but unfortunately there are no precise statistics that will please everyone. Other safety improvements are being made all the time - better impact zones, better brakes, safer roads, etc...

But read the articles I linked above and you'll see how flawed some of these statistics are.

 

[FoBoT]

did you know that children are different sizes? so there are some 12 year old kids that are only 60 pounds, and some that are 160 pounds?

going by age for this is stupid. what about the adults that are very small? the whole thing is moronic