I guess I just don't understand this

[gorcorps]

He was replying to my pic of a "super" trawler, which I posted in response to the OP's very obvious trawling post. But to his post: trawling can be a horrible way of going about fishing with an incredible amount of non-target creatures killed and throw away. Bottom trawling in particular is an appalling way to fish, wiping out entire seafloor communities for a few target prey.

I get that. I wasn't really replying to that specific response to that picture, mostly in a generic sense to the "evil humanity" comment.

 

[zinfamous]

i fish a lot, and do catch and release in freshwater, but when i go into saltwater i fish and eat those fuckers.

am i a bad person?

probably the worst

 

[balloonshark]

If hunters wanted to really do it for population control they would go for female only tags. One male can knock up a dozen females a year who can in turn give birth to multiple twins. Population control is taking out the birthers. But there's no trophy case set of antlers there to show off.

Most states practically give away anterless only permits to encourage that practice.

Here in WV the anterless deer tag numbers vary from year to year if I remember correctly. Most hunt them as extra meat for the freezer. The problem is most landowners have a major problem with you hunting female deer which to me was always mind boggling.

A friend and I had permission to hunt doe on man's farm. He only let us do it because a wildlife biologist keeping tabs on the deer on his property told him that he needed to control the population because they had started inbreeding.

 

[Artdeco]

LOL heart bleeds... Let's starve you a bit and see how bigger and more delicious that animal becomes.

My meat comes from the supermarket, no animals killed, it's magic, it just appears all wrapped in plastic on those foam trays.

 

[Markbnj]

Things like sunburn. makes no sense.

Sunburn makes no sense? Does it also make no sense that you can be burned by fire, or drown in water? What about freezing to death? Animals that very clearly originated here can freeze to death (and in fact be burned and drown too). They would probably sunburn as well, if you exposed their skin to the sun. Is it possible that we gained more evolutionary fitness somehow when we lost our fur than we gave up by risking a sunburn from time to time?

 

[momeNt]

Sunburn makes no sense? Does it also make no sense that you can be burned by fire, or drown in water? What about freezing to death? Animals that very clearly originated here can freeze to death (and in fact be burned and drown too). They would probably sunburn as well, if you exposed their skin to the sun. Is it possible that we gained more evolutionary fitness somehow when we lost our fur than we gave up by risking a sunburn from time to time?

What now makes no sense is how quickly you built a strawman to respond to a simple question. To boil down to the only coherent response you actually made to the question.

"They would probably sunburn as well, if you exposed their skin to the sun. Is it possible that we gained more evolutionary fitness somehow when we lost our fur than we gave up by risking a sunburn from time to time?"

 

[Markbnj]

What now makes no sense is how quickly you built a strawman to respond to a simple question. To boil down to the only coherent response you actually made to the question.

"They would probably sunburn as well, if you exposed their skin to the sun. Is it possible that we gained more evolutionary fitness somehow when we lost our fur than we gave up by risking a sunburn from time to time?"

Well you seemed to be saying that our response to sun exposure somehow indicated that we hadn't evolved in an environment affected by the sun. Sorry if I got that wrong. My answer was intended to show that we, and lots of other animals that obviously did originate on earth, can be harmed by many other naturally occurring conditions.

So I guess you will need to clarify what you meant.

 

[IronWing]

My meat comes from the supermarket, no animals killed, it's magic, it just appears all wrapped in plastic on those foam trays.

I don't eat animals at all, only animal byproducts.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I'd be all for not killing animals if hotdogs, spam and pickled pigs feet weren't so damn tasty.

 

[pcgeek11]

uh.. this reads like someone who strongly believes in The Purge. And that's the second time in 24 hours I've referenced The Purge on these boards. What is going on?

What I said is real life, not some stupid movie. It is also the truth.
Are you retarded?
Do you have a abnormal fixation on the "Purge"?

I've never seen it so Meh!

 

[pcgeek11]

If hunters wanted to really do it for population control they would go for female only tags. One male can knock up a dozen females a year who can in turn give birth to multiple twins. Population control is taking out the birthers. But there's no trophy case set of antlers there to show off.

Most states practically give away anterless only permits to encourage that practice.

This may be true in some areas of the US and way off in other areas of the US. But it doesn't change the facts.

I guess we could really built up the apex predators in the US then everyone would be whining about the lions and wolves drag off the children...

 

[pcgeek11]

i have no problems with responsible hunting, but what you just said is 100% wrong. deer react to pressure on their population by overbreeding.

No.

They react to no pressure by overbreeding by overeating and then starving to death or being a really unhealthy lot and living in misery.

 

[pcgeek11]

If human evolution were true (not saying I doubt the theory of evolution, but there are some doubts about whether or not humans came from evolution). Then wouldn't there be multiple iterations of humans similar to other mammals. If animals are constantly evolving, they should reach the pinnacle of evolution (humanity) eventually. There has been enough time now for more than just 1 ape to stand up straight....

Whether or not it was aliens or some sort of absolutely freak unnatural intervention like an irradiated asteroid, I don't know. But I am pretty sure we are not naturally of this earth.

I can only pray that my Sarcasm Meter is broken.

If it is not you are absolutely bat shit crazy.

 

[pcgeek11]

What now makes no sense is how quickly you built a strawman to respond to a simple question. To boil down to the only coherent response you actually made to the question.

"They would probably sunburn as well, if you exposed their skin to the sun. Is it possible that we gained more evolutionary fitness somehow when we lost our fur than we gave up by risking a sunburn from time to time?"

My dog gets sunburned if she stays out in the yard very long. Are Jack Russell Terriers also Aliens?


OMG!

 

[zinfamous]

I'm still trying to figure out the thrust of this sunburn argument. Truly baffling.

 

[pcgeek11]

Sunburn = Alien

:shocked:

 

[SSSnail]

I don't eat animals at all, only animal byproducts.

Well, truth be told, I am a second hand vegetarian. For instance, cows eat grass, I eat cows, ergo I'm a vegetarian.

 

[SlowSpyder]

In my state there are so many deer that not hunting them to reduce their numbers is worse for the overall health of the herd. Around here a lot of meat gets donated to shelters from hunting (or at least it used to, I assume it still does). My uncle bring homemade venison sausage to holiday get togethers, that alone makes me ok with hunting.

 

[zinfamous]

Sunburn = Alien

:shocked:

sounds legit.

 

[momeNt]

My dog gets sunburned if she stays out in the yard very long. Are Jack Russell Terriers also Aliens?


OMG!

Equivocating Jack Russell Terriers to humanity is an argument for intelligent design not random genetic mutations....

Stop straw-manning arguments. I am simply saying that maybe our genetic mutations that caused astonishing diversion from the apes was from something completely not from this planet, like an irradiated asteroid. As a possible reason why there was only one such single divergence as far as characteristics in our gene line.

 

[dainthomas]

If human evolution were true (not saying I doubt the theory of evolution, but there are some doubts about whether or not humans came from evolution). Then wouldn't there be multiple iterations of humans similar to other mammals. If animals are constantly evolving, they should reach the pinnacle of evolution (humanity) eventually. There has been enough time now for more than just 1 ape to stand up straight....

Whether or not it was aliens or some sort of absolutely freak unnatural intervention like an irradiated asteroid, I don't know. But I am pretty sure we are not naturally of this earth.

 

[zinfamous]

Equivocating Jack Russell Terriers to humanity is an argument for intelligent design not random genetic mutations....

Stop straw-manning arguments. I am simply saying that maybe our genetic mutations that caused astonishing diversion from the apes was from something completely not from this planet, like an irradiated asteroid. As a possible reason why there was only one such single divergence as far as characteristics in our gene line.

The thing is...your theory? is a strawman. It makes no fucking sense. Species diverge from single lines all the time. In fact...that's what they do. We didn't diverge from the apes, our ancestors and the apes diverged from a common ancestor around the same time. There were hundreds, if not many more species of humans as there were apes.

"Irradiated asteroids" do not cause mutations. Persistent exposure to certain classes of UV can cause SNPs, but these type of mutations result in cell death, or cancer--they are not inheritable mutations with any chance of germline transmission. (this means you aren't going to be passing, uh, "sunburn" to your kids).

Asteroids, if large enough, can certainly cause mass extinctions...but not through mutations.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Reason I come to these forums is to have my mind blown on regular basis. And of course it's great comedy.

WOW

 

[DrPizza]

The shitty logic hunters use to rationalize their inability to control the urge to kill is laughable. Control of an animal population may be necessary. Hunting is not necessary to gain that control.

So, Humpy's going to go out there and teach an abstinence only program to deer? Humpy's going to go out there and teach deer how to use condoms?

 

[zinfamous]

So, Humpy's going to go out there and teach an abstinence only program to deer? Humpy's going to go out there and teach deer how to use condoms?

Humpy's going to make a youtube video, too.