Originally posted by: XCon
My family and I were eating dinner at the local Cracker Barrel, we always sit in non-smoking, we don't smoke, (gross)
anyway, they sat us real close to the smoking section, so the smoke was "wafting" over. So I look at the table 2 down from us, there is a middle aged couple sitting there,
the lady had a "smoke" in one hand puffing, and a fork in the other eating her carrots.
barf-o-rama
I wish the legislators would pass a law to ban smoking completely in ALL restaurants.
I mean has anyone ever tried to eat at a waffle house? You open the door and it resembles a cheech and chong movie....
Listen, I smoke and its my godamn right, I don't bitch about not smoking in places that do not allow it, and I do not expect you to tell me not to smoke in places that allow me to. There are many more things in our air that can kill you othre than my smoke, go bitch to the corps that put stuff in the air that is really bad. Don't bitch just cause something smells bad, jesus you KIDS kill me, what next our right to have our own homes, fing liberals
INFECT=TRUTH
yea right why the hell don't you tell about all the bad sh!t in our country, why not about the pestisides on your apples that are going to give you cancer much faster than my smoke
I wish all tobacco products were banned, but not smoking in restaurants is a good start. And yes, blowing smoke from your cancer stick does harm me, it causes me to have an asthma attack and possibly die.
yes and my child having people eat peanut butter around her can kill her too, does that mean we should ban peanut products?? thats next you liberals. thats next
So someone eating their peanut butter by your kid and then breathing is going to harm her? I am guessing she is allergic to it and she has to eat it. They would have to phyisically shove the peanut butter down her throat. A smoker just has to walk near me.
Too late . . . I don't think it is a law, but some school district recently banned PB due to potential anaphylaxis. I wouldn't brand so easily. My fiance is a flaming liberal schoolteacher but she is vehemently opposed to PB restrictions.
Anyone lacking enough common sense to eat fruit they bought sitting in a large open pile at the grocery store without washing it first will probably die well before cancer will get to them.
Yes, someone eating PB in the vicinity can precipitate an attack. You would be amazed at the amount of airborne material around you. The lonely, sex-starved coworker or coed that always looks sweaty and dishelved after an extended bathroom break is likely sharing a variety of human material when you pass his desk, he passes yours, you enter the bathroom after him, use the water cooler . . . I could go on . . .
glenn1
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Well, perhaps we simply have a difference in the terminology we use. To me, none of the three things you mentioned are privileges... privileges are a benefit or right extended to you which you would not otherwise be entitled unless you were granted the privilege, and can be taken away just as easily as it was given. Rights are something which you possess intrisically and cannot be taken away from you, however can be limited for various reasons with cause.
I don't need anyone's permission or to be granted a priviledge to drink, drive, or smoke, or even do all three at the same time. It's not really a right, nor a privilege, just an act of free will. But at the same token, that doesn't mean that i have the unfettered ability to do them without consequences, however. I can jump in a car and drive away, i don't need a drivers' license or even know how to drive to do it, however if a policeman pulls me over, i'm going to jail if i don't have a license or i'm drunk behind the wheel.
I see where you're trying to go with the idea that smoking/drinking/driving/etc. is a privilege, though. You mean to say that because they are an act of free will, the government has an interest (in some circumstances) in being allowed to control that action in cases where others don't have the ability to exercise their free will and simply move away from the smoker. Places like hospitals. Or public accomodations where substitutes don't really exist. One can choose a different restaurant fairly easily if you're offended by smoke, kinda hard to choose a different airport or stadium since there's generally only one in any given city.
That being said, i think that most smokers seem to be considerate in such places, and you don't generally see people getting dragged out of the hospital because they refused to respect the no smoking sign. In return, i think that should entitle smokers to a bit of return courtesy by non-smokers, when it comes to areas where there's not the same compelling reason to prohibit smoking (like the hospital example) and the owner chooses to allow smokers. Just as non-smokers have the legitimate right to be free from smoke in places they can't avoid it, IMHO smokers have the legitimate right to smoke away in places where non-smokers can avoid them.
I don't smoke. I simply think the idea of saying that smoking should be outlawed in all restaurants is ill-conceived. I no more have the right to say that smokers shouldn't be allowed to eat in a restaurant whose owner allows them to smoke in his establishment, than i do to say that people shouldn't be allowed to drink in a restaurant because i'm a tee-totaller. If i don't like alcohol, i can find a place where it's not served. Ditto with smoking. It doesn't really bother me, but if it did, i'd go to a place where the owner chose to make it a non-smoking establishment. There's plenty of them. I don't feel there's a compelling need for me to force non-smoking rules on every restaurant, when there are plenty of alternatives for me to choose from. Let the smokers have their restaurants, the rest of us have ours, and everyone is happy.
moshquerade
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here's the deal: it is effing disgusting that someone can't eat without smoking. how do they even taste their food? get a grip and light your stick when you are done eating and then OUTSIDE!
lots of things that non smokers do directly impose a risk to me and my family. You drive, own guns, bring your germ ridden kids around me, etc....
Cars are >deadly than secondhand smoke. Just because you dissaprove of someone elses lifestyle and habits does not mean you have a right to end them. There are smoking and non smoking restaraunts. Go to the one of your preference. Sexually promiscos people have a higher risks of stds than those who are careful and have a limited number of partners. Don;t go to their parties and dont go in their holes and you will be fine. If you are that worried about secondhand smoke, go to the vast majority of resaraunts that ban it. Restaraunts are private property, you are not forced to go to them. If the restaraunt owners and customers who smoke wish to allow smoking at a particular restaraunt, it's their choice not yours
Cars are >deadly than secondhand smoke. Just because you dissaprove of someone elses lifestyle and habits does not mean you have a right to end them. There are smoking and non smoking restaraunts. Go to the one of your preference. Sexually promiscos people have a higher risks of stds than those who are careful and have a limited number of partners. Don;t go to their parties and dont go in their holes and you will be fine. If you are that worried about secondhand smoke, go to the vast majority of resaraunts that ban it. Restaraunts are private property, you are not forced to go to them. If the restaraunt owners and customers who smoke wish to allow smoking at a particular restaraunt, it's their choice not yours
If someone is smoking near me, I tell them to get the hell away from me with their cancer sticks.
And here is your link to our local paper
http://www.timesnews.net/index.cgi?CONTEXT=cat&BISKIT=751830510&id=63326&category=6
And yes BREATHING it can kill her more so than my smoke can yours, so I say agiean should we be against peanut butter like we are agianst smoking?
It just said that they prohibited peanut butter from the school. You should be doing everything you can to get it back into the school system so it won't interupt the other childrens *rights*. IF you want I can go there and eat lots of peanut butter beacause it is my *right*
glenn1
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Or the manager/owner of the establishment with such a policy. If they see it as being a good idea to have decided on a non-smoking policy in the first place for their establishment, then they shouldn't have a problem acting to enforce it. If they don't enforce it, then you have the right to ask that it be enforced.
I tell anyone near me to go away that's smoking if I was there first. If they are already there smoking then I won't go by them.
And we are trying to get all peanut butter back, all we want is that we can be sure that noone around her for less than an hour after they have eaten has had peanuts. trust me I can assure you your reaction is much less severe than hers, I have no desire to ban all peanut products. BUT if I took my child into a peanut zone then it would be my fault and not the people eating peanuts.
Now I have no problem with that, I respect people enough to try to abide by your rights as well as mine. if you say it is bothering you then I stop. I have no problem with that. but this whole ban thing is starting to go a bit far
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