I got a ticket

[Balr0g]

Originally posted by: Farang
So I was bored today and decided to ride my bike around town. When I was almost home I got to this steep hill and started to go up, on the way there is a 4-way stop. I let up on pedaling but don't want to stop completely and lose my momentum so I roll through, mind you this is a small town so traffic is very light. I get pulled over by a cop in a Camaro and he rights me a ticket for violating California code 22450, says it is the same as a car. So some questions:
-Anyone run a stop sign in California before? How much was your ticket?
-Will this effect my car insurance?
-Does that cop really need to be driving around in a Camaro if this is what he is looking for?

quoted for everyone.

 

[Rumpltzer]

I was giving my girlfriend a ride to class on my handlebars when I was on campus. She was late, classes had already started, no one was on the sidewalks, and the "sidewalk" was 60 feet wide as I was crossing from one bike path to another (about 100 feet in distance).

I saw the bike cop standing there, but I didn't think a thing about. He gave me a ticket for riding on the sidewalk, and I threw it away.

I've been on the lam for like six or eight years. I'M A FUGITIVE!!! :Q


My car insurance didn't go up.

 

[Farang]

um.. I left the OP there. I'm not embarrassed by it, I just don't see any point to this thread because my other question won't get answered.

 

[zoiks]

All I can say is that I hope bicyclists that run stop signs and red lights become road mortar. I actually hope that its not a car that squeezes the shit out of them when the tire runs over their bodies but rather one of those road compactors frequently used on freshly paved roads.

 

[Farang]

..but if you guys want to keep bitching with one another then I'll put the title back to invite more idiots in

 

[OCGuy]

You are forever known as the Schwinn-bandit.

 

[Sasiki]

I'm still trying to figure out how the cop saw you if no cars were around.

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: Farang

-Anyone run a stop sign in California before? How much was your ticket?
-Will this effect my car insurance?
-Does that cop really need to be driving around in a Camaro if this is what he is looking for?

edit: I knew this thread would end up like this I was just hoping for some relevant info before it did. Seems like it won't effect insurance, I don't think I'm going to get anything more. Thanks for the info.

1. In texas. 250$
2. Yes. it would.
3. No. hes a lovely human.

i took my case to court and officer didnt show up. got it dismissed. prosecutor wouldnt BUDGE though. fucking leeches.


"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust... is in reality expressing the highest respect for law. " Dr MLK Jr

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: Farang

-Anyone run a stop sign in California before? How much was your ticket?
-Will this effect my car insurance?
-Does that cop really need to be driving around in a Camaro if this is what he is looking for?

edit: I knew this thread would end up like this I was just hoping for some relevant info before it did. Seems like it won't effect insurance, I don't think I'm going to get anything more. Thanks for the info.

1. In texas. 250$
2. Yes. it would.
3. No. hes a lovely human.

i took my case to court and officer didnt show up. got it dismissed. prosecutor wouldnt BUDGE though. fucking leeches.


"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust... is in reality expressing the highest respect for law. " Dr MLK Jr

haha.. yea compare me to MLK Why do you say this will affect insurance? I have like 3 replies in this thread to the contrary

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: Farang

-Anyone run a stop sign in California before? How much was your ticket?
-Will this effect my car insurance?
-Does that cop really need to be driving around in a Camaro if this is what he is looking for?

edit: I knew this thread would end up like this I was just hoping for some relevant info before it did. Seems like it won't effect insurance, I don't think I'm going to get anything more. Thanks for the info.

1. In texas. 250$
2. Yes. it would.
3. No. hes a lovely human.

i took my case to court and officer didnt show up. got it dismissed. prosecutor wouldnt BUDGE though. fucking leeches.


"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust... is in reality expressing the highest respect for law. " Dr MLK Jr

Did you just use MLK to justify breaking a traffic law? Way to shit on the civil rights movement.

 

[Dirigible]

Originally posted by: zoiks
All I can say is that I hope bicyclists that run stop signs and red lights become road mortar. I actually hope that its not a car that squeezes the shit out of them when the tire runs over their bodies but rather one of those road compactors frequently used on freshly paved roads.

You are a horrible person for wishing pain and death on another human being like that. I wouldn't have much sympathy for the cyclist if it happens, but to affirmatively hope it does? Something is wrong with you.

 

[Dirigible]

Originally posted by: Farang
..but if you guys want to keep bitching with one another then I'll put the title back to invite more idiots in

Please do. I'm having fun. Killing time at the tail end of the work day.

Edit: Crap, just got a project. Back to work, neffing's over!

 

[zinfamous]

Bicycle = automobile as it pertains to traffic laws.

I fucking hate holier-than--thou cyclists who assume the rules don't apply to them, bitch that too many cars are in their way. Not you, OP; it just chafes my hide whenever I see a bicyclist fly through an intersection on a red light and get pissed at the car that has to slam on breaks to prevent themselves from killing the mouth-breathing biker.
GRRRRRRRR :|

Oh, and I also hate cops driving camaros. Fucking unfair!

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Dirigible

Originally posted by: zoiks
All I can say is that I hope bicyclists that run stop signs and red lights become road mortar. I actually hope that its not a car that squeezes the shit out of them when the tire runs over their bodies but rather one of those road compactors frequently used on freshly paved roads.

You are a horrible person for wishing pain and death on another human being like that. I wouldn't have much sympathy for the cyclist if it happens, but to affirmatively hope it does? Something is wrong with you.

I think he meant it to be a joke but it was about as funny as my "joke" where I responded to three individual posts by saying "fuck you."

I mean come on, zoiks. Rolling through a stop sign at a non-busy intersection on a bike is enough for you to want someone to die? I don't want to even imagine what you'd want to do to other people here for the more serious crimes they've committed.

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
Bicycle = automobile as it pertains to traffic laws.

I fucking hate holier-than--thou cyclists who assume the rules don't apply to them, bitch that too many cars are in their way. Not you, OP; it just chafes my hide whenever I see a bicyclist fly through an intersection on a red light and get pissed at the car that has to slam on breaks to prevent themselves from killing the mouth-breathing biker.
GRRRRRRRR :|

Oh, and I also hate cops driving camaros. Fucking unfair!

Automobiles = automobiles as it pertains to traffic law, but I wouldn't ticket a guy driving 56 in a 55 in a barren freeway just because it is strictly opposed to "the law"

I don't like cyclists flying through trafficked intersections, and I don't think any of those jackasses get pissed at cars either.

And I've also HIT a cyclist who flew through an absolutely clogged intersection, trying to split straight, in between 2 right-turning lanes

So ive seen it from all sides

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Xyclone
I cannot answer any of your questions, but bicyclists who don't stop at stop signs or run red lights are very dangerous, and I have seen a bicyclist get pulled over before for running a red (he sped up when it was yellow but he was blatantly running the light).

And if there are no cars at a 4-way stop? I mean, how fast does a typical bike go? Maybe 15 mph?

 

[Eeezee]

Hell, I roll through stops faster in my car (after slowing down, but everyone does this) than I bike ride through them. That's some serious bullshit. I feel bad for you, OP.

 

[Balr0g]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Xyclone
I cannot answer any of your questions, but bicyclists who don't stop at stop signs or run red lights are very dangerous, and I have seen a bicyclist get pulled over before for running a red (he sped up when it was yellow but he was blatantly running the light).

And if there are no cars at a 4-way stop? I mean, how fast does a typical bike go? Maybe 15 mph?

So it would be okay for me to drive my car through a stop sign if I'm only going 15MPH and I shouldn't expect a ticket then right?

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: darkxshade
Take it to court and ask for leniency... offer to take a defensive biking class in return.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Dirigible

Originally posted by: zoiks
All I can say is that I hope bicyclists that run stop signs and red lights become road mortar. I actually hope that its not a car that squeezes the shit out of them when the tire runs over their bodies but rather one of those road compactors frequently used on freshly paved roads.

You are a horrible person for wishing pain and death on another human being like that. I wouldn't have much sympathy for the cyclist if it happens, but to affirmatively hope it does? Something is wrong with you.

I think he meant it to be a joke but it was about as funny as my "joke" where I responded to three individual posts by saying "fuck you."

I mean come on, zoiks. Rolling through a stop sign at a non-busy intersection on a bike is enough for you to want someone to die? I don't want to even imagine what you'd want to do to other people here for the more serious crimes they've committed.

I think your "fuck you" response would've been perfectly reasonable as a reponse to zoiks' post, so there you go.

 

[tasmanian]

Originally posted by: Balr0g

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Xyclone
I cannot answer any of your questions, but bicyclists who don't stop at stop signs or run red lights are very dangerous, and I have seen a bicyclist get pulled over before for running a red (he sped up when it was yellow but he was blatantly running the light).

And if there are no cars at a 4-way stop? I mean, how fast does a typical bike go? Maybe 15 mph?

So it would be okay for me to drive my car through a stop sign if I'm only going 15MPH and I shouldn't expect a ticket then right?

If your car was your seat with two wheels under it that was powered by you pedaling then yes.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Balr0g
You're on the road - you obey the rules. I hope you can't get out of your ticket and there is a nice hefty fine.

I have no issue with those people who want to bike on the roads - but when they start blowing through red lights at blind intersections, and other insane things, they need to be ticketed or end up as a hood ornament.

Biking on the sidewalk is illegal in a lot of states, so road biking is the only option. If you're talking about bike lines... well, that's irrelevant because it's usually part of the street.

Blowing through a red light is one thing, but a stop sign? Stop signs are used for small intersections with relatively little traffic. If you blow through a stop sign in a car, you could kill someone. If you do the same on a bike, at worst you'll dent a fender :roll: The fact of the matter is that bikes are (compared to cars) very low speed vehicles. It's easy to see all of the cars at a 4-way stop when riding a bike, unless you're rolling off of a steep hill or really pedaling hard.

When I roll through a stop sign, it's always alongside another car that is starting to go at the same time. Everyone with at least a shred of intelligence does this. You conserve momentum, and it's no more safe than completely stopping at the stop sign (which no one anywhere does in the first place unless a cop is around). If anyone else is trying to go through the intersection, then they would have hit the car you're alongside anyway. Tell me what's so wrong with this mode of thinking?

The real problem here is that the OP didn't know the law and got burned for it. He should have let you off with a warning. Yes, it's your responsibility to know the law, but it's not like you were endangering lives by coasting through a clear 4-way stop.

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: Sasiki
I'm still trying to figure out how the cop saw you if no cars were around.

That's what I was wondering.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Bikes aren't cars. They move much slower, they can see much better (no blind spots), and they can't accelerate nearly as well and rely much more on momentum.

You should be able to roll through stop signs IF you slow down and look carefully beforehand and no one is there. You should also be able to go through red lights if you do the same, though in that case I might say you should be required to come to a complete stop and then you can go (again, IF it is safe, there's enough visibility to make sure there's no traffic, etc.).

I disagree with stop lights, since cars can still barrel through the green light at whatever speed and might not see you. 4-way Stop signs, on the other hand, should be an exception because all traffic has to stop; so long as it's safe, you should be able to go through on a bike.

My speed on a bike when I come to a stop sign is easily slower than most cars as they roll through stop signs. That's what's so ludicrous about this. But hey, I guess that can be ticketed too, even if it's safe to make a rolling stop at the time.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Balr0g

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Xyclone
I cannot answer any of your questions, but bicyclists who don't stop at stop signs or run red lights are very dangerous, and I have seen a bicyclist get pulled over before for running a red (he sped up when it was yellow but he was blatantly running the light).

And if there are no cars at a 4-way stop? I mean, how fast does a typical bike go? Maybe 15 mph?

So it would be okay for me to drive my car through a stop sign if I'm only going 15MPH and I shouldn't expect a ticket then right?

If there are no other cars in the intersection and you don't come to a complete stop at a 4-way stop sign, you should not be ticketed. That's fucking retarded. The laws are there for safety purposes. If you yield and there are no other cars approaching the intersection, then it is safe to proceed.

Instead, we have this fascist idea that you MUST stop even when it's safe to just slow down and check the intersection. If there are other cars, come to a complete stop. If not, proceed through the intersection. This is how it should work. I don't see the point of having stop signs when a yield sign is just as safe and slightly more efficient.