I got a ticket

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Atheus
I dunno that's a funny thing to get a ticket for but if a bike went through an intersection in front of me and I had to brake I would be seriously pissed off... plus it could be dangerous...

I slowed down enough where I could see every street and there were no cars. If there are cars I will stop and act like one, but I usually do rolling stops if nobody is there

Do you do this in a car, too? That is, slow down enough to see that it's safe, but don't stop? It really shouldn't be any different for bikes.

Anyway, it won't effect your car insurance. Tickets always suck, but whatever. Next time I imagine you will be more cautious and stop?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Atheus
I dunno that's a funny thing to get a ticket for but if a bike went through an intersection in front of me and I had to brake I would be seriously pissed off... plus it could be dangerous...

I slowed down enough where I could see every street and there were no cars. If there are cars I will stop and act like one, but I usually do rolling stops if nobody is there

Do you do this in a car, too? That is, slow down enough to see that it's safe, but don't stop? It really shouldn't be any different for bikes.

Anyway, it won't effect your car insurance. Tickets always suck, but whatever. Next time I imagine you will be more cautious and stop?

I'm just not going to ride my bike anymore. I haven't got a ticket in my car for 5 years, I started riding my bike a month ago

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Baked
Finally! If I were on the scene, I would walk up to the cop and shake his hand. You want all the benefits of a car, but choose to ignore all the laws, then come on here wondering why you got a ticket?

Revenue generation? Yeah, it's never your fault you broke the law, the cop was just trying to meet his quota right? Pathetic.

I didn't see anywhere in the OP where he was wondering why he got a ticket, or even really complaining about it. He was looking for information about his situation.

And it's a law created for the intention of safety. If there's no one else at the intersection, nobody's safety was jeopardized. That's why I say the ticket was written solely for revenue generation.

 

[FeuerFrei]

A cop pulled me over once for running a stop sign on my bicycle. Just didn't get ticketed.

I was only 16-17. I had no idea bikes were supposed to obey signs.

 

[Tiamat]

:laugh:

 

[Balr0g]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Baked
Finally! If I were on the scene, I would walk up to the cop and shake his hand. You want all the benefits of a car, but choose to ignore all the laws, then come on here wondering why you got a ticket?

Revenue generation? Yeah, it's never your fault you broke the law, the cop was just trying to meet his quota right? Pathetic.

I didn't see anywhere in the OP where he was wondering why he got a ticket, or even really complaining about it. He was looking for information about his situation.

And it's a law created for the intention of safety. If there's no one else at the intersection, nobody's safety was jeopardized. That's why I say the ticket was written solely for revenue generation.

So if the highway is completely and totally empty, I can go 120MPH? Nobody's safety would be jeopardized.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

You should've biked off the road into a backyard. Let that cop try to catch you then!

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
You broke the law, you got caught. "Darn."

I've ranted about self-important bicyclists here before, so all I'll say is the rules of the road apply to you. If you're going to ride in the street, you have a responsibility to follow the laws same as anyone else. If you run a stop sign on a bicycle and you get hit, you are much more likely to die than the driver of the car that hit you. You don't get to be a vehicle until it is inconvenient, then be a pedestrian, then ignore all the rules if, God forbid, a traffic signal is trying to slow your forward momentum. For God's sake man...

Fuck you.

Originally posted by: Balr0g
You're on the road - you obey the rules. I hope you can't get out of your ticket and there is a nice hefty fine.

I have no issue with those people who want to bike on the roads - but when they start blowing through red lights at blind intersections, and other insane things, they need to be ticketed or end up as a hood ornament.

Fuck you.

Originally posted by: Baked
Finally! If I were on the scene, I would walk up to the cop and shake his hand. You want all the benefits of a car, but choose to ignore all the laws, then come on here wondering why you got a ticket?

Revenue generation? Yeah, it's never your fault you broke the law, the cop was just trying to meet his quota right? Pathetic.

Fuck you.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Bikes aren't cars. They move much slower, they can see much better (no blind spots), and they can't accelerate nearly as well and rely much more on momentum.

You should be able to roll through stop signs IF you slow down and look carefully beforehand and no one is there. You should also be able to go through red lights if you do the same, though in that case I might say you should be required to come to a complete stop and then you can go (again, IF it is safe, there's enough visibility to make sure there's no traffic, etc.).

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
You broke the law, you got caught. "Darn."

I've ranted about self-important bicyclists here before, so all I'll say is the rules of the road apply to you. If you're going to ride in the street, you have a responsibility to follow the laws same as anyone else. If you run a stop sign on a bicycle and you get hit, you are much more likely to die than the driver of the car that hit you. You don't get to be a vehicle until it is inconvenient, then be a pedestrian, then ignore all the rules if, God forbid, a traffic signal is trying to slow your forward momentum. For God's sake man...

Fuck you.

What an excellent retort. I at least laid out an argument for what I believe to be a problem within the cycling community; the belief that the rules don't apply to them. I mentioned that cyclists are much more likely to die in an accident, so they should take these rules seriously. You replied with "fuck you." Shit, you convinced me.

Go forth and obey not these silly rules of the road, cyclists! You are above them!

Jackass.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Bikes aren't cars. They move much slower, they can see much better (no blind spots), and they can't accelerate nearly as well and rely much more on momentum.

You should be able to roll through stop signs IF you slow down and look carefully beforehand and no one is there. You should also be able to go through red lights if you do the same, though in that case I might say you should be required to come to a complete stop and then you can go (again, IF it is safe, there's enough visibility to make sure there's no traffic, etc.).

It's not called a yield or slow down sign. It's a STOP sign.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
You broke the law, you got caught. "Darn."

I've ranted about self-important bicyclists here before, so all I'll say is the rules of the road apply to you. If you're going to ride in the street, you have a responsibility to follow the laws same as anyone else. If you run a stop sign on a bicycle and you get hit, you are much more likely to die than the driver of the car that hit you. You don't get to be a vehicle until it is inconvenient, then be a pedestrian, then ignore all the rules if, God forbid, a traffic signal is trying to slow your forward momentum. For God's sake man...

Fuck you.

What an excellent retort. I at least laid out an argument for what I believe to be a problem within the cycling community; the belief that the rules don't apply to them. I mentioned that cyclists are much more likely to die in an accident, so they should take these rules seriously. You replied with "fuck you." Shit, you convinced me.

Go forth and obey not these silly rules of the road, cyclists! You are above them!

Jackass.

Just wanted to individually respond to various people in the thread. My serious reply is immediately after that post.

I agree that cyclists need to pay attention... really, everyone needs to pay better attention. And I don't like it either when cyclists act like they own the road, nor do I like it when anyone else acts like they own the road either. What I am saying is that if a cyclist is approaching an empty intersection, slows down to check for traffic, and then rolls through a stop sign if (and only if) there is no traffic, that shouldn't be a ticket-worthy offense. I often see cyclists approach four-way stops and roll through even though there are cars already at the intersection waiting, and I think that's wrong. I'm only talking about an empty intersection.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Bikes aren't cars. They move much slower, they can see much better (no blind spots), and they can't accelerate nearly as well and rely much more on momentum.

You should be able to roll through stop signs IF you slow down and look carefully beforehand and no one is there. You should also be able to go through red lights if you do the same, though in that case I might say you should be required to come to a complete stop and then you can go (again, IF it is safe, there's enough visibility to make sure there's no traffic, etc.).

I agree with the first part, but I don't see why those are reasons you should be able to run through a stop sign on a bike.

I also don't see how a stop sign and a red light are any different, as you make them out to be.

Again, as I asked before - would you roll through stop signs/red lights in a car? What if you were going the same speed as a bike? Is better visibility/acceleration really a sufficient argument against safely stopping? I don't think it is.

 

[Farang]

I'm not a self-important bicyclist. I'm a fucking guy on a bike who went through a stop sign without fully stopping and putting my feet down. I stay in the bike lane, signal, and do all that other stuff, I always give cars the right of way because it is just easier to wait for them to go through because they are faster. I just don't think I deserve the same ticket a car gets for blowing a red light, because the two crimes are obviously do not cause equal harm to the community.

edit: and a red light is a bit different because the other direction has green and will not stop, I was at a 4-way stop.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

A woman I work with got a ticket for "eating oatmeal" while driving.... i guess some people really hate oatmeal.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Bikes aren't cars. They move much slower, they can see much better (no blind spots), and they can't accelerate nearly as well and rely much more on momentum.

You should be able to roll through stop signs IF you slow down and look carefully beforehand and no one is there. You should also be able to go through red lights if you do the same, though in that case I might say you should be required to come to a complete stop and then you can go (again, IF it is safe, there's enough visibility to make sure there's no traffic, etc.).

no you shouldnt. you are to obey the rules of the road and a stop sign means stop. not slow down, not yeild but STOP.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

This is why you never post a "look at what I got a ticket for! This is BS!" thread on ATOT. The anti-Jpeytons come crawling out of the interweb tubes to set you straight.

 

[Balr0g]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Balr0g
You're on the road - you obey the rules. I hope you can't get out of your ticket and there is a nice hefty fine.

I have no issue with those people who want to bike on the roads - but when they start blowing through red lights at blind intersections, and other insane things, they need to be ticketed or end up as a hood ornament.

Fuck you.

Excuse me?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
This is why you never post a "look at what I got a ticket for! This is BS!" thread on ATOT. The anti-Jpeytons come crawling out of the interweb tubes to set you straight.

I knew it was coming and don't really care, I'm just worried about my fine amount and was hoping to get some info on that.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Bikes aren't cars. They move much slower, they can see much better (no blind spots), and they can't accelerate nearly as well and rely much more on momentum.

You should be able to roll through stop signs IF you slow down and look carefully beforehand and no one is there. You should also be able to go through red lights if you do the same, though in that case I might say you should be required to come to a complete stop and then you can go (again, IF it is safe, there's enough visibility to make sure there's no traffic, etc.).

I agree with the first part, but I don't see why those are reasons you should be able to run through a stop sign on a bike.

I also don't see how a stop sign and a red light are any different, as you make them out to be.

Again, as I asked before - would you roll through stop signs/red lights in a car? What if you were going the same speed as a bike? Is better visibility/acceleration really a sufficient argument against safely stopping? I don't think it is.

No, I don't roll through stop signs or red lights when I'm driving. That's because when I'm in a car, I can't hear or see as well, and I can't lean out to look down the cross street to check if there's any traffic coming.

When I'm biking, it's completely different. I do always slow down for intersections with a stop sign or a red light and I never go through if there is traffic. And yes, I do think that the improved visibility and worse acceleration of bikes is enough of an argument.

The funny thing is, none of you "stop means stop" people would ever encounter a situation where I went through a stop sign or red light on my bike, because if there are cars around I never go through! Do any of you guys even bike frequently? Can you honestly say that you have always come to a complete stop and put your foot down at every stop sign?

 

[Tooncesthedrivingcat]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
You broke the law, you got caught. "Darn."

I've ranted about self-important bicyclists here before, so all I'll say is the rules of the road apply to you. If you're going to ride in the street, you have a responsibility to follow the laws same as anyone else. If you run a stop sign on a bicycle and you get hit, you are much more likely to die than the driver of the car that hit you. You don't get to be a vehicle until it is inconvenient, then be a pedestrian, then ignore all the rules if, God forbid, a traffic signal is trying to slow your forward momentum. For God's sake man...

Fuck you.

Originally posted by: Balr0g
You're on the road - you obey the rules. I hope you can't get out of your ticket and there is a nice hefty fine.

I have no issue with those people who want to bike on the roads - but when they start blowing through red lights at blind intersections, and other insane things, they need to be ticketed or end up as a hood ornament.

Fuck you.

Originally posted by: Baked
Finally! If I were on the scene, I would walk up to the cop and shake his hand. You want all the benefits of a car, but choose to ignore all the laws, then come on here wondering why you got a ticket?

Revenue generation? Yeah, it's never your fault you broke the law, the cop was just trying to meet his quota right? Pathetic.

Fuck you.

lulz

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Just wanted to individually respond to various people in the thread. My serious reply is immediately after that post.

I agree that cyclists need to pay attention... really, everyone needs to pay better attention. And I don't like it either when cyclists act like they own the road, nor do I like it when anyone else acts like they own the road either. What I am saying is that if a cyclist is approaching an empty intersection, slows down to check for traffic, and then rolls through a stop sign if (and only if) there is no traffic, that shouldn't be a ticket-worthy offense. I often see cyclists approach four-way stops and roll through even though there are cars already at the intersection waiting, and I think that's wrong. I'm only talking about an empty intersection.

Your serious reply is all that was needed. Quoting three people just to say "Fuck you" to each of them individually was intellectually retarded and completely unnecessary.

Addressing your argument: Yes, I'll grant you some leeway there. Bicyclists do rely more on momentum, especially travelling uphill. If the situation played out as the OP was describing, then perhaps the officer could have let him off with a warning. But, let's face it, if a police officer watched him run a stop sign, it wasn't an empty intersection, was it? Even if there are no other cars on the road, if I see a cop car, I have the common sense not to deliberately disobey a law, as I would expect most people do. The OP did not exercise common sense and got burned for it. Lesson learned.

However, I still feel that the situation described in the OP, and your own example, are indicative of cyclists feeling that the law does not apply to them in the same way it does to anyone else. If I'm driving alone at night and the roads are empty, I don't run red lights; I routinely see cyclists do this. This sort of wanton disregard for the law is all fine and dandy until someone gets hurt, and it's going to be the cyclists who get hurt. I can understand impatience at being forced to wait, but it's part of the agreed-upon code we have governing vehicular traffic, which we've determined bicycles are part of. If you flaunt those laws and remain safe, more power to you; if you get caught, I sincerely hope it's not by a car you didn't see coming.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Your serious reply is all that was needed. Quoting three people just to say "Fuck you" to each of them individually was intellectually retarded and completely unnecessary.

Just a (very) lame attempt at humor.

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
But, let's face it, if a police officer watched him run a stop sign, it wasn't an empty intersection, was it?

That's a good point. Maybe he was parked and just staked out a stop sign waiting for someone to run it?

BTW, the state of Idaho lets bikes treat stop signs and red lights as though they are yield signs and stop signs, respectively. This was brought up the last time there was a thread like this.

http://bikingrc.blogspot.com/2...cle-laws-in-idaho.html

It'd be nice if other states would adopt the same laws, but seeing as how the law was apparently enacted in 1982 and Idaho is still the only state with it, I'm not holding my breath. I'll just continue to be careful.

 

[Balr0g]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Bikes aren't cars. They move much slower, they can see much better (no blind spots), and they can't accelerate nearly as well and rely much more on momentum.

You should be able to roll through stop signs IF you slow down and look carefully beforehand and no one is there. You should also be able to go through red lights if you do the same, though in that case I might say you should be required to come to a complete stop and then you can go (again, IF it is safe, there's enough visibility to make sure there's no traffic, etc.).

I agree with the first part, but I don't see why those are reasons you should be able to run through a stop sign on a bike.

I also don't see how a stop sign and a red light are any different, as you make them out to be.

Again, as I asked before - would you roll through stop signs/red lights in a car? What if you were going the same speed as a bike? Is better visibility/acceleration really a sufficient argument against safely stopping? I don't think it is.

No, I don't roll through stop signs or red lights when I'm driving. That's because when I'm in a car, I can't hear or see as well, and I can't lean out to look down the cross street to check if there's any traffic coming.

When I'm biking, it's completely different. I do always slow down for intersections with a stop sign or a red light and I never go through if there is traffic. And yes, I do think that the improved visibility and worse acceleration of bikes is enough of an argument.

The funny thing is, none of you "stop means stop" people would ever encounter a situation where I went through a stop sign or red light on my bike, because if there are cars around I never go through! Do any of you guys even bike frequently? Can you honestly say that you have always come to a complete stop and put your foot down at every stop sign?

Yes, and I do so on my bike as well.

I have almost hit a couple assholes on bikes because of this BS. If I ever do, hopefully they will have insurance to fix my car. Hell I saw a guy the other day just zip through a red light at an intersection - he was probably going around 15-20MPH, and it was blind on the right side no matter how much visibility you think you had. Tall fences and shrubs - no possible way to see. Blew right through. I was hoping a semi was coming through at the same time.

Would you just roll through if you were on a motorcycle? What about a scooter? Quiet and just as good visibility. That would be okay?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Farang
So I was bored today and decided to ride my bike around town. When I was almost home I got to this steep hill and started to go up, on the way there is a 4-way stop. I let up on pedaling but don't want to stop completely and lose my momentum so I roll through, mind you this is a small town so traffic is very light. I get pulled over by a cop in a Camaro and he rights me a ticket for violating California code 22450, says it is the same as a car. So some questions:
-Anyone run a stop sign in California before? How much was your ticket?
-Will this effect my car insurance?
-Does that cop really need to be driving around in a Camaro if this is what he is looking for?

edit: I knew this thread would end up like this I was just hoping for some relevant info before it did. Seems like it won't effect insurance, I don't think I'm going to get anything more. Thanks for the info.

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