I got a question regarding the US army and Dishonorable discharge......

[The Stigenator]

thanks aceman..

you got a PM.. and oh yeah I talked to her so you will get one from her this evening.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: AU Tiger
She should try to stick it out. I find it hard to believe her work would not let her off for training. Aren't they required to give her the time by law?

Yes they are and her work can get seriously f(&$(#*$(*#ed if they do not.

 

[Aceman]

Have her include her name and SSN and her PSNCO (Personnel Services NCO) name and telephone number. I also need the unit designation.

Most of all, I need her complete honesty about the situation. I ain't going to bat for someone I don't know and walk out with egg on my face. If she's honest about everything, I can get her into the IRR on good terms and away from the situation. If she's not honest with me, I'll end a phone conversation with her PSNCO and never call them back.

 

[waggy]

WHAT? She?s a reservist? And she can?t handle that!? WTF!

Someone really needs to take the girl out back and introduce her to real life. She is willing to mess over her future because she is to lazy to finish what she made an oath to do? Man she needs help. More then getting out of the Military will do.

Aceman while i admire your desire to help i think your time would be better spent telling this girl the facts of life. IF she can?t handle one weekend a month and 2 weeks a year and wants to fu$* over her life then she really needs someone she can respect talk to her and tell her she is being a dumb b@#h.

But hey that?s just my opinion. Glad she won?t be working for me. I would hate to have someone who can?t stick to an Oath.

 

[Aceshigh]

The reserves? Hey, when you sign up for the reserves you are in the military even though you still get to have a pretty normal life (work, school, etc). You are still a U.S soldier. 2 days a month and a couple of weeks a year is not too much for her to give in return for the benefits she is getting. The reserves are a good opportunity.

People are always going to complain that the services aren't the way the recruiters portrayed things. Anyone who fully believes everything a military recruiter says is naive.

She needs to grow up and do what she signed up for.

 

[Aceman]

waggy,
Have you ever served in the USAR? I know boberfett has. (I served with him a long time ago.) I'm guessing you haven't and if "NO" is the answer, STFU! You have NO idea what a Reservist's situation is. That one weekend a month may actually be hard to fit in with her current employment and school. That's why the USAR has a little area in the regulation where you can request transfer to the IRR (The military pool of nondrilling reservists that can be called upon at any time.)
While I wonder at times, too, why someone cannot dedicate one weekend a month to the military, I'm not entirely walking in that person's shoes. Usually, I can cut a deal to retain the soldier as an active drilling reservist by finding out the real problem. She may have an idiot for a supervisor. Her civilian employment may be hassling her for being a Reservist. Perhaps she decided her education is more of a priority right now.
Now, in the past 16 years, I've dealt with and heard over 1,000 stories of soldiers being separated. You have heard, ONE?

Thanks for your input, I'll be sure not to use in when I assist this soldier. I don't advise you on how to do your job, don't advise me on how to do mine.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
The reason.. this girl I know.. is way too busy.. she works 52 hrs (school + work) or more and doesnt have time to do things. Plus she isnt happy.. because her mom is ratting on her to get out because they didnt promise what they were to promise (they decived her.. she is looking into teh papers to see if there was any written commitment to certain things on signing up).

If she can't handle 52 hours per week, she has problems. She has plenty of time to do things. I still do things, and I work 65-80 hours week, 7 days a week. I'm not happy either, but I'm working to change things.



the question is if she does get dishonorably discharged what are the future fall outs.. like job prospects. As far as I know most employers dnt do a back ground check..


The future holds very little. A dishonorable discharge means that you did something so terrible that not even the military, who never gives up on anyone, doesn't want you. It means you're a sorry SOB (if you really deserved it).


Dont give me the rant about her being a traitor.. let me just say she has been putting up with her sargent and she has been putting up with it until now but now she can no longer take it.. She is mentally troubled and Ican see it in her as her best friend.


This is the Army you're talking about, not Mme. La Rouge's Dance School.

I'm sorry for your friend, but she has to take responsibility for her own actions. She signed a legally binding contract to serve in the Army for X years. She can't just back out of it.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Aceman
waggy,
Have you ever served in the USAR? I know boberfett has. (I served with him a long time ago.) I'm guessing you haven't and if "NO" is the answer, STFU! You have NO idea what a Reservist's situation is. That one weekend a month may actually be hard to fit in with her current employment and school. That's why the USAR has a little area in the regulation where you can request transfer to the IRR (The military pool of nondrilling reservists that can be called upon at any time.)
While I wonder at times, too, why someone cannot dedicate one weekend a month to the military, I'm not entirely walking in that person's shoes. Usually, I can cut a deal to retain the soldier as an active drilling reservist by finding out the real problem. She may have an idiot for a supervisor. Her civilian employment may be hassling her for being a Reservist. Perhaps she decided her education is more of a priority right now.
Now, in the past 16 years, I've dealt with and heard over 1,000 stories of soldiers being separated. You have heard, ONE?

Thanks for your input, I'll be sure not to use in when I assist this soldier. I don't advise you on how to do your job, don't advise me on how to do mine.

Aceman:

I have not been in the reserves and I respect and admire everyone in it. But I have been in the armed forces. Not to mention everyone in my family (except 2 sisters) have been in. Both my father and Grandfather are Rangers in the Army. So needless to say we take this very seriously. While I was never a reservist (was medically discharged am now disabled but DO NOT get disability).

IF it was up to me I would still be in it. I have utmost respect for anyone that has served but to try and get dishonorably discharged is bad. If you can get her out great it is obvious that she has other priorities in life. I?m not saying don?t help her heck get her out! What I am saying is IF she can?t handle one weekend a month for something she pledged an OATH to then she really needs a wakeup call. I for one would not hire anyone that refuses to stick to it. I truly hope she gets her life together because it gets HARDER from now on.

If you take how i feel as a personal insult then im sorry. i have not insulted you nor will I. Im sorry you felt you had to insult me.

 

[olds]

I was active Army and went straight into the reserves when my initial enlistment was up. After a couple of years and a civilian job change, I had job conflicts. All I had to do was write a letter of resignation from the Reserves and I went straight into the IRR. No hassles, no problems.

 

[Aceman]

waggy,
I only get insulted when someone comes across as if they've walked in those shoes and never had. Most of the times with a young Reservist, if you just find the root of the problem and fix it, you can turn around the Reservist. Most Sr NCOs and Officers forgot what their teens and 20s were like and try the hardcore or uncaring approach when all you need to do is talk to the young Reservist. Shoot, I've been active duty for 14 years and forget sometimes how tough it is to balance the Reserves with your civilian life. I blame recruiters for most of the problems with their half truths and rose colored glasses visions of the USAR. I refuse to advise discharge on a majority of soldiers and hate transferring them to the IRR for the remainder of the contract. It just causes the loss and readiness of a unit. Finding a replacement for that lost soldier is too damn hard these days.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Aceman
waggy,
I only get insulted when someone comes across as if they've walked in those shoes and never had. Most of the times with a young Reservist, if you just find the root of the problem and fix it, you can turn around the Reservist. Most Sr NCOs and Officers forgot what their teens and 20s were like and try the hardcore or uncaring approach when all you need to do is talk to the young Reservist. Shoot, I've been active duty for 14 years and forget sometimes how tough it is to balance the Reserves with your civilian life. I blame recruiters for most of the problems with their half truths and rose colored glasses visions of the USAR. I refuse to advise discharge on a majority of soldiers and hate transferring them to the IRR for the remainder of the contract. It just causes the loss and readiness of a unit. Finding a replacement for that lost soldier is too damn hard these days.

While I can sympathy that she is in over her head i personally get insulted when someone wants to purposely get dishonorably discharged or not want to finish what they said they would do.

But if you can straighten her out great! She obviously needs help. If she can get that help and finish up her time she will be a better person for it.

But I agree that recruiters are flat out liars. I have a little brother from the big brother program that wanted to join. I went with him and talked with the recruiter and then told my brother the truth on what would happen. He joined and learned some valuable stuff. Now he is going to school to be a diesel mechanic. But anyway It took me telling him how it actually is and not to believe everything the recruiter told him.

One way they can get more recruits is to PAY THEM MORE. I can tell you how many of my buddies were on welfare to help pay for stuff. My sister was fine but her husband is on a nuclear sub. He gets paid very well.

Anyway I rambled on way to much and actually have work to do heh. Good luck! I wish her the best.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

She won't sleep with you because you're not of the same cultural heritage? I hope you mean her culture doesn't believe in pre-marital sex and not that she's a damn bigot.

 

[DorkBoy]

do that 2 mile run in 20 minutes (we clocked 1 mile in 8 minutes (that including walking) and she doesnt know if she can do it without me at her side.

Thats Pathetic

 

[compuwiz1]

A dishonorable discharge usually means dishonorable person, who cannot seem to accept acocuntability in life, in general. If a person cannot live up to their service committment, then why should an employer believe they would treat their job any differently? As someone said, she needs to grow up and accept responsibility.

BTW, Camp Pendleton is a Marine base, so are you sure she is in the Army?

 

[ScottMac]

A real honest-to-gawd Dishonerable Discharge is a very bad thing. You can't work for the government, you can't work for anyone that supplies goods or services to the government (includes fed, state, local government). All the benefits are gone. The list is long, and I don't remember it after twenty-something years. You can't clear a DD. If you get it, it's yours forever.

DD's are usually only given after a Court Martial (and generally some time in a federal pen).

More typical is a Bad Conduct Discharge. BCDs are still a very bad thing to have on your record, but don't carry the weight of a DD.

She could always quit her job, stop school, go full-time active duty (she might get that anyway, the way things are looking towards the Iraq thing). Once her routine is settled in. then start back to school or get an outside job. Being a Vet is a good thing. Being in the military is a good thing, IMO, everyone should do it that can.

JM.02

Scott