Apparently the same thing is done for all types of super cars. The MSRP of an Aventador is $365k, but you can't find one for less than like $450k. Dealers can charge as much as they want because the market can handle it.
Apparently the same thing is done for all types of super cars. The MSRP of an Aventador is $365k, but you can't find one for less than like $450k. Dealers can charge as much as they want because the market can handle it.
Don Vito Corleone
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I consider it weaselly to jack the sale price up this way. I would never pay over sticker for a new car because to me it's just dealer profiteering. You can buy these cars at or near sticker where I live, and if necessary I would buy from an out of state dealer to avoid getting raped for $50K by a greedy local. Actually there are two 2013 Black editions near me with 2,900 and 7,900 miles, respectively, and they are both around $93K - I would probably just do that rather than buying new.
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Svnla
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At least our local Nissan dealer tried to dress up the mark up as with extra such as fancy names for paint protection, fabric guard, security system, vehicle clinic, etc. IIRC, the mark up was not as bad, about $15K-20K.
Speaking of buying a car out of state, if I have the much money for a car, I would go to a dealer in a state with no sale tax and get one, save at least 8K to 9K (sale tax around here is about 8-9%), even after 1 way air fare, hotel rooms, and misc. spending.
You'll have to pay your state's sales tax when you register it.
But it does work the other way. I live in NH and bought a car in CO, MA, and VT (one new, two private) and never paid sales tax because I am a NH resident.
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I hope at least once.. all of you fine car people get to have a similar experience. I will for sure get some pics if I get a second chance to go joy-riding again and Dr. G is cool with it..
My wife told me I should take some pics but in the back of my mind I didn't know if that was kosher or not.. Especially considering I'd never met the guy before, I didn't want to overstep my bounds. I was elated just to get a ride... and then completely floored when he offered to let me drive it!
That said, I've heard too many stories of parts thieves using pictures from the Internet to track down a car and rip stuff off. I wouldn't want to put anyone in that position and for the same reason I'm not sure I would want someone other than me posting up pictures of my car either.
Maybe I'm paranoid about stuff like that, but c'est la vie.
For the record I'll see if I can't get to the bottom of what's been done to that car exactly.. I know four things as fact. 1. It makes 950-990 HP, 2. At some point the engine was yanked and sent out by the previous owner, 3. AMS was involved somehow, 4. It's the fastest Goddamn thing I've ever experience on land by MORE than a longshot (and I drive a 500+HP Mustang mated with 4.10 gears
).
My wife told me I should take some pics but in the back of my mind I didn't know if that was kosher or not.. Especially considering I'd never met the guy before, I didn't want to overstep my bounds. I was elated just to get a ride... and then completely floored when he offered to let me drive it!
That said, I've heard too many stories of parts thieves using pictures from the Internet to track down a car and rip stuff off. I wouldn't want to put anyone in that position and for the same reason I'm not sure I would want someone other than me posting up pictures of my car either.
Maybe I'm paranoid about stuff like that, but c'est la vie.
For the record I'll see if I can't get to the bottom of what's been done to that car exactly.. I know four things as fact. 1. It makes 950-990 HP, 2. At some point the engine was yanked and sent out by the previous owner, 3. AMS was involved somehow, 4. It's the fastest Goddamn thing I've ever experience on land by MORE than a longshot (and I drive a 500+HP Mustang mated with 4.10 gears
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Don Vito Corleone
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Is it just me or does it seem odd to pull the engine to apply an Alpha upgrade? I don't think that requires pulling the block - http://gtr.alphaperformance.com/alpha-packages/alpha-9-package
In any case, it is amazing that there is a car that mortals (albeit well-heeled mortals) can afford that is capable of that kind of performance. I can only imagine what it's like to drive that beast . . .
In any case, it is amazing that there is a car that mortals (albeit well-heeled mortals) can afford that is capable of that kind of performance. I can only imagine what it's like to drive that beast . . .
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Aikouka
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Wow, that's what... about $10k+ below sticker for less than a year's worth of driving? Not too shabby! The best part about the Black Edition? I never have to worry about it not being in the color that I want.
There is only one GT-R near where I live, but I'm sure more will surface now that it is summer. I've seen a ton of Ferraris though. A few R8s and a Gallardo now and then. I've only seen one Aventador and it at a show. Never a Veyron though.
There is some kid with a GT-R and a big Call of Duty emblem on the back. I just assume he is some rich kid, entitled douche bag bro who wanted a step up from an M3. He certainly drives like one.
There is some kid with a GT-R and a big Call of Duty emblem on the back. I just assume he is some rich kid, entitled douche bag bro who wanted a step up from an M3. He certainly drives like one.
BurnItDwn
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I've seen a few different GT-Rs while driving through the Long Grove/Hawthorn Woods areas. Also saw one once when I was down visiting family over by Winfield IL.
The houses over where Smackababy is talking about usually go for like 2 million or more (some well into the millions, maybe even double digits).
I drive through a bunch of "upper-middle class" type areas, million to 2 million dollar houses. Seems like this is where GT-Rs are a bit more concentrated. (I've seen a couple Maserati, a ton of 911 turbos, S classes, 7 series, Cayman Turbos, A8s, etc) The Ferarris and Lambos are quite rare where I drive (though near work there is a Guy who likes to drive like a dick in his lambo on Lake Cook Rd from time to time.)
The guys with the 10+ million net worth buy extremely high end (as evident by Smackababy's post)
The guys who are 1 million+ tend to be the crowd that find the GT-R more appealing.
The houses over where Smackababy is talking about usually go for like 2 million or more (some well into the millions, maybe even double digits).
I drive through a bunch of "upper-middle class" type areas, million to 2 million dollar houses. Seems like this is where GT-Rs are a bit more concentrated. (I've seen a couple Maserati, a ton of 911 turbos, S classes, 7 series, Cayman Turbos, A8s, etc) The Ferarris and Lambos are quite rare where I drive (though near work there is a Guy who likes to drive like a dick in his lambo on Lake Cook Rd from time to time.)
The guys with the 10+ million net worth buy extremely high end (as evident by Smackababy's post)
The guys who are 1 million+ tend to be the crowd that find the GT-R more appealing.
MagickMan
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The way to avoid the excessive retail pricing is to get in early, right when there's wind of them being produced, pre-order and wait. That way you pay real MSRP, with minimal dealer options and fee padding. All told, I paid $4k over actual retail for my 12C spider (destination and prep), not counting tax. Yeah, that's a lot for shipping and detailing, but I didn't gripe because I know what they sell for to people who aren't as patient.
Brutal car when you push it and worth every brown cent.
Brutal car when you push it and worth every brown cent.
Zap
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GTaudiophile
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GTaudiophile
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May I suggest driving a Porsche 911 (991) Turbo when it becomes available?
I have the feeling that your life will once again be altered.
I have the feeling that your life will once again be altered.
It won't touch the car he just drove. Pretty much the next level would be a Veyron, UR TT Gallardo, or a turbo Hayabusa.
Don Vito Corleone
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From a sheer shock-and-awe, raw performance perspective it won't even approach an Alpha 9 GTR, though. Personally if I were buying a 911 it would be an RWD Carrera S or GT3 - the Turbo doesn't really excite me.
A friend of mine from our local Nissan/Datsun club gave us (club members) rides around the block. Like yours, that was the most amazing experience I had ever had. The car felt planted to the road like sticky glue, esp. going around the corners. It was over 100F here, the cold a/c was an icing on the cake.
The interior control center was excellent - an expensive OBDII scanner on steroids
At the end of our meeting, my wife and I went back to my 76 280z (stock) and that was the slowest ride home. I think my car envied the rival GTR and was one capricious b$tch with its Bosch L-Jet extravaganza.
The interior control center was excellent - an expensive OBDII scanner on steroids
At the end of our meeting, my wife and I went back to my 76 280z (stock) and that was the slowest ride home. I think my car envied the rival GTR and was one capricious b$tch with its Bosch L-Jet extravaganza.
madoka
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A regular Turbo would probably not be enough. A current Turbo S ($170K) will hold its own against a stock GTR.
An Alpha 9 GTR would likely demolish a Turbo S, even the new one coming up.
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datalink7
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Yup. Because I'm in the Military, I never buy a car from my home state. But because I'm from Oregon, I never pay sales tax.
JTsyo
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Trouble is where would you go to service it? He probably jacks up the price for that too.
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