I don't understand why Android tablet manufacturers are failing

[Eug]

Maybe my point was more subtle.

Logically:you're not going to be taking your 100 movie collection *anywhere* at 6GB a pop, unless of course transferring 600GB to

So ripping the *same* 5 or 6 movies that you'd take with you anyway, that actually can be played on the device (and make no perceived difference quality wise) doesn't actually take that much time, and makes more sense than grousing about Android for not catering to a far less likely and less logical 'solution'.

I've actually done this several times.

It is a heluvalot easier (and faster) to just copy a few movies to a flash disk, for obvious reasons.

 

[alent1234]

Now we have gone full circle, since this was my original criticism. Most mainstream tablets with SD card slots do not support large file sizes, even in ICS, even though the units themselves may be advertised as having 1080p playback support.

i found this out by accident last year when i had an android phone and couldn't copy a 4.5GB file to it. same with someone i know.

never have this problem with iOS

 

[MrX8503]

Well this does offer advantages but it doesn't work on a plane, and it's not a viable solution on the road either since 3G reliability in many city downtowns is suspect, and such streaming eats thru "unlimited" plans in no time.

At home I don't care, because I just watch on my Blu-ray player... which happens to support NTFS out of the box.

If you're going on the road then you save the movie(s) from your WHS to your device.

 

[Zaap]

I've actually done this several times.

It is a heluvalot easier (and faster) to just copy a few movies to a flash disk, for obvious reasons.

Did what? Put 100 movies on a card?

 

[sm625]

Android has an entire layer of bloat added onto to just from having to support so many different screen sizes. It's just a really crappy OS. It's like windows with no backward compatibility.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Android has an entire layer of bloat added onto to just from having to support so many different screen sizes. It's just a really crappy OS. It's like windows with no backward compatibility.

Do you understand how programming works? Do you understand, well, how anything that has a transistor in it works at all?

 

[poofyhairguy]

Thanks, but this is a pretty good example of exactly what I was talking about, in the context of this thread. Most consumers don't want to have to do this sort of thing.

Then don't. Return what you have and get a Transformer Prime.

I will confirm right now that a Prime WILL use NTFS on stock, both on internal SD cards and with external HDs via USB as long as they have independent power. The Prime has passed my very rigorous testing suite and I can confirm it will play 98% of normal h264 mkv content out there without re-encoding.

The problem is the device not Android.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Did what? Put 100 movies on a card?

No, that won't work. 64gb card can only carry a few.

I DO bring 100 or so movies with me that I can play on my Android tablet via a USB NTFS HD. It is nice to not have to pre-plan what my wife and I can watch while on vacation. I just dump everything I have gotten fairly recently, plus whatever show she is into at that time, straight on the external and bring it with me.

With transcoding that means either days of planning ahead to transcode, crappy quality as I transcode on the fly over the internet or that I bring a much more limited selection.

Transcoding pretty much sucks when you can play the real files. That doesn't matter for regular people who get their content from Hulu/Netflix, but if you are an mkv hoarder transcoding sucks.

 

[cheezy321]

In other news, the transformer prime is doing fucking terrible. Nobody wants it.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402248,00.asp

The court filing also revealed that retailers have only ordered approximately 80,000 Transformer Prime tablets for March and April, according to PaidContent—hardly the stuff of an iPad killer.

It may be popular with the nerd crowd, but that's about it.

 

[smartpatrol]

In other news, the transformer prime is doing fucking terrible. Nobody wants it.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402248,00.asp



It may be popular with the nerd crowd, but that's about it.

Yikes. It looks like iPad will continue to dominate the $400+ tablet market. The Android OEMs are left to fight over the low-end market, where they're competing mainly on price. Even worse, they are competing against Amazon and B&N, both of whom can afford to sell their hardware at a loss.

 

[Oyeve]

Ive about had it with my fucking TF101. damn thing reboots and locks on reboot, hasnt been able to connect to a PC in months. Im gonna dump it and go ipad........nah, kindle fire most likely.

 

[McWatt]

In other news, the transformer prime is doing fucking terrible. Nobody wants it.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402248,00.asp



It may be popular with the nerd crowd, but that's about it.

This is confusing. Whenever it shows up in a store it flies off the shelves - it's been a lot harder to find a Prime in its first three months of retail than it was to find any generation of iPad shortly after release. I assumed the cause was Asus not making many Transformer Primes, but the article at least makes it sound like the problem is retailers - I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that they ignore the fact that they can't keep them on the shelves and instead just make an assumption that there's no reason to order any.

Edit: Nevermind, there's now a story on DailyTech saying that the low sales are indeed driven by supply shortages. It's amazing how badly this has affected a tablet a lot of people seem to want.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Ive about had it with my fucking TF101. damn thing reboots and locks on reboot, hasnt been able to connect to a PC in months. Im gonna dump it and go ipad........nah, kindle fire most likely.

You know you could, you know, format it or get it replaced because it could be faulty.

These are the things that normal people do when their electronics don't function properly.

 

[Zaap]

No, that won't work. 64gb card can only carry a few.

I DO bring 100 or so movies with me that I can play on my Android tablet via a USB NTFS HD. It is nice to not have to pre-plan what my wife and I can watch while on vacation. I just dump everything I have gotten fairly recently, plus whatever show she is into at that time, straight on the external and bring it with me.

With transcoding that means either days of planning ahead to transcode, crappy quality as I transcode on the fly over the internet or that I bring a much more limited selection.

Transcoding pretty much sucks when you can play the real files. That doesn't matter for regular people who get their content from Hulu/Netflix, but if you are an mkv hoarder transcoding sucks.

In your case this is fine, because you can use a USB NTFS formatted hard drive.

Eug is complaining that he can't do that, so obviously he's not taking 100 movies with him, only a few no matter what. Transcoding a few movies is not a big deal, especially when it's the ONLY option. I don't see what the big deal is, but some people like to make big deals out of nothing, and then blame Android when clearly this isn't an Android issue, but as established, a cheap-tablet/inflexible owner issue.

 

[BoberFett]

A friend of mine had her iPhone lock up yesterday while it was updating to iOS5. Had to do a factory restore, lost a bunch of stuff. What a piece of shit.

 

[cheezy321]

A friend of mine had her iPhone lock up yesterday while it was updating to iOS5. Had to do a factory restore, lost a bunch of stuff. What a piece of shit.

Lost a bunch of stuff? Um, ok. I believe that one

 

[MaxFusion16]

A friend of mine had her iPhone lock up yesterday while it was updating to iOS5. Had to do a factory restore, lost a bunch of stuff. What a piece of shit.

you've obviously never owned an iPhone, iTunes automatically performs a backup before updating the firmware.

 

[MaxFusion16]

This is confusing. Whenever it shows up in a store it flies off the shelves - it's been a lot harder to find a Prime in its first three months of retail than it was to find any generation of iPad shortly after release. I assumed the cause was Asus not making many Transformer Primes, but the article at least makes it sound like the problem is retailers - I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that they ignore the fact that they can't keep them on the shelves and instead just make an assumption that there's no reason to order any.

Edit: Nevermind, there's now a story on DailyTech saying that the low sales are indeed driven by supply shortages. It's amazing how badly this has affected a tablet a lot of people seem to want.

I think you forgot to mention that the supply shortage is a result of asus shutting down production, because of a design flaw in the prime; asus is releasing a revised version soon.

let's see how many versions of the transformer it takes asus to get it right.

 

[MaxFusion16]

all this talk about transcoding movies and taking terabytes of 1080p movies everywhere you go is silly, this scenario almost never applies to an average consumer.

I know we are on a tech forum, and most of us download videos or "back up" dvds, but you guys are missing the big picture, take a step back and look around, how many of your tech challenged family and friends even know what a codec is?

for the average consumer, iTunes is where they download music and movies, the audio and video files are already encoded and optimized for the specific device they are using; no need to mess with any additional software or settings, just click sync and it's ready to go.

Apple knows its target audience, they strive to make technology easy and accessible to the general population, the average consumer does not understand technology and they don't care to, they just want to hit a button and have it work, giving them options will only confuse them.

And this is precisely why android tablets are failing and ipads are selling in droves.

 

[Oyeve]

You know you could, you know, format it or get it replaced because it could be faulty.

These are the things that normal people do when their electronics don't function properly.

Really? Duh! no shit. ive done all that. ICS update on a large portion of the TF101s got the random reboots. And im sorry, being in IT for 30 years I have only used the "format" option on rare occasions. Format is not a fix IMO. its a way out.

 

[BoberFett]

you've obviously never owned an iPhone, iTunes automatically performs a backup before updating the firmware.

You're right, I've never owned an iPhone because I don't like shitty electronics that lock up when you install recommended updates.

And good for iTunes. Unless iTunes backs up everything completely including third party apps and their data, then she lost stuff. And since she showed me a third party messaging app with zero messages in it, I can confirm that.

 

[cheezy321]

You're right, I've never owned an iPhone because I don't like shitty electronics that lock up when you install recommended updates.

And good for iTunes. Unless iTunes backs up everything completely including third party apps and their data, then she lost stuff. And since she showed me a third party messaging app with zero messages in it, I can confirm that.

Lol. Nice backtrack. It does back up third party apps, and it backs up their game saves as well. So quit lying. There no reason for you to come into this thread and post inflammatory bullshit. What is the point?

 

[MaxFusion16]

You're right, I've never owned an iPhone because I don't like shitty electronics that lock up when you install recommended updates.

And good for iTunes. Unless iTunes backs up everything completely including third party apps and their data, then she lost stuff. And since she showed me a third party messaging app with zero messages in it, I can confirm that.

you sound angry, maybe you should be more open minded, how about you actually try it before you trash it?

I've owned several android and ios devices, all my opinions are based on first hand personal experience.

and yes, iTunes does back up everything, including third party apps, not positive on the third party app data, I think that depends on how the third party app stores its data.

ok, so your friends' iphone locked up, all electronics lock up sometime, at least with iTunes, she didn't lose all her data. Are you genuinely suggesting that android never locks up?

 

[JD50]

Lol. Nice backtrack. It does back up third party apps, and it backs up their game saves as well. So quit lying. There no reason for you to come into this thread and post inflammatory bullshit. What is the point?

Yea, what kind of asshole does things like that?

In other news, the transformer prime is doing fucking terrible. Nobody wants it.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402248,00.asp



It may be popular with the nerd crowd, but that's about it.

:whiste:

 

[cheezy321]

Yea, what kind of asshole does things like that?



:whiste:

Except mine isnt bullshit from a secondhand source. Its actual numbers delivered by the actual company that created the product.