I DO NOT CONSENT! (my claim to defend with my life)

[Brainonska511]

you really believe that this bullshit show the politicians have put on is for your betterment? man, you need to open you eyes and see the reality of the situation.

You think politicians are out to get you and just pay off their buddies? You need to get a grip on reality and maybe some crazy pills.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Enjoy your new life in tinfoilhatistan

I bet that is what people in the 30s said to people who objected to Social Security....and then again during the "Great Society." You people are slipping down the slippery slope and aren't smart enough to see it.

 

[zCypher]

I thought this sounded familiar, then I saw your sig. I read quite a bit on thinkfree forums before it was taken down. A lot of very interesting stuff, but a huge lack of concise and conclusive information. Not all the ideas being presented are based on fact.

Tell me, if you make the distinction between your actual physical self and your person as a separate corporate or legal entity; how do you convince anyone else of this? With paperwork like the claim of right and so on? It's really only any good if someone recognizes it as valid. Many who have went down this road have been labeled some type of radical/extremist using frivolous documents.

I try to keep an open mind, so I'm not going to blindly label you a nutcase as others do.

However, how do you plan to successfully put these ideas into practice? I've read quite a bit and haven't found any stories of truly successful implementation of all this.

Edit: Any time I tried to get clear information from anyone into this, the response was always "do your own research", or some nonsensical crap.

Edit 2: It's interesting to see this on ATOT. I've seen links to this stuff posted on other forums, and they always got blasted pretty bad. The people here actually seem to be more open to discussion.

 

[ModerateRepZero]

it's clear that the OP has no understanding of tacit consent.

you reside in the US, you play by its rules as a citizen (unless you're in those Indian territories which claim to be sovereign nations).

 

[Moonbeam]

So, now that socialism is gripping tighter and tighter on U.S. Citizens, repeating the 60-some year mistake that the UK claimed themselves that they imposed. I am now moving forward with my plans to disassociate myself with the UNITED STATES. No longer will I contract with a business so pervertedly corrupted as to force it's constituents into a nationalized SCAM. In fact, I haven't found a time when the government EVER acted in my best interest. Rarely has my account (readockets) been credited for the revenue collected by the debtors. They always offered me benefit privileges which ended up bleeding me out of money over the lifetime of the contract without significant returns. As a creditor to the UNITED STATES, this appalls me. Tyranny has ground its muddy boots into my couch for the last time. now it's time to "bust some legs" so to speak and kick this corporation to the curb, and it'll be me screaming "Shoulda never gave you *****'s money!" So, with my ranting out....I refuse to publicly insure myself, and they can jail me all they want, ha ha ha. I'll just work out and eat off everyone else's dime and have barely a care in the world. But know that I and a hell of a lot of other people aren't going without asserting thier rights given to all men in GOD's kingdom. The Constitution for the United States of America is now openly shat on (and the Magna Carta soon to be meaningless, I fear), so it's time to write a new one. Write YOUR constitution....and live by it. I am urging people who are tired of this police state/nanny state, who are tired of being subjects of the Queeen of England (now publicly traded), and are willing to protect those rights with their life, to research their rights, disassociate with their person, and live peacefully among other men. We are granted a great privilege to be born in a place where NOWHERE ELSE in the world would even dream to make a country like the one planned in the late 1700's. These people were FLEEING centralization and persecution. So I ask people now....where are you going to run to or are you going to stand your ground and take back sovereignty?



Cliffs:
I DO NOT Consent to healthcare
If you don't want it, neither should you (maybe do a little understanding of how things are)


Oh...and I wanna clear something up I keep hearing about Seatbelt codes, vehicle code, and income taxes. If you have a SSN, you are OBLIGATED to follow said rules, to the letter, or you are committing a FRAUD of CONTRACT. You grant corpus juris (maritime jurisdiction) to the governing body appointed by the party providing the benefit privileges.

All law = commerce
commerce = contract
without contract, there is no case....period.



Anyone else here researching these things? I would like to discuss peoples' ideas here about their dissension/secession?

You seem to be taking a rather brutal hammering here so let me give some support. I used to feel exactly as you describe here when my diapers got poopy.

 

[shira]

So, now that socialism is gripping tighter and tighter on U.S. Citizens, repeating the 60-some year mistake that the UK claimed themselves that they imposed. I am now moving forward with my plans to disassociate myself with the UNITED STATES. No longer will I contract with a business so pervertedly corrupted as to force it's constituents into a nationalized SCAM. In fact, I haven't found a time when the government EVER acted in my best interest. Rarely has my account (readockets) been credited for the revenue collected by the debtors. They always offered me benefit privileges which ended up bleeding me out of money over the lifetime of the contract without significant returns. As a creditor to the UNITED STATES, this appalls me. Tyranny has ground its muddy boots into my couch for the last time. now it's time to "bust some legs" so to speak and kick this corporation to the curb, and it'll be me screaming "Shoulda never gave you *****'s money!" So, with my ranting out....I refuse to publicly insure myself, and they can jail me all they want, ha ha ha. I'll just work out and eat off everyone else's dime and have barely a care in the world. But know that I and a hell of a lot of other people aren't going without asserting thier rights given to all men in GOD's kingdom. The Constitution for the United States of America is now openly shat on (and the Magna Carta soon to be meaningless, I fear), so it's time to write a new one. Write YOUR constitution....and live by it. I am urging people who are tired of this police state/nanny state, who are tired of being subjects of the Queeen of England (now publicly traded), and are willing to protect those rights with their life, to research their rights, disassociate with their person, and live peacefully among other men. We are granted a great privilege to be born in a place where NOWHERE ELSE in the world would even dream to make a country like the one planned in the late 1700's. These people were FLEEING centralization and persecution. So I ask people now....where are you going to run to or are you going to stand your ground and take back sovereignty?



Cliffs:
I DO NOT Consent to healthcare
If you don't want it, neither should you (maybe do a little understanding of how things are)


Oh...and I wanna clear something up I keep hearing about Seatbelt codes, vehicle code, and income taxes. If you have a SSN, you are OBLIGATED to follow said rules, to the letter, or you are committing a FRAUD of CONTRACT. You grant corpus juris (maritime jurisdiction) to the governing body appointed by the party providing the benefit privileges.

All law = commerce
commerce = contract
without contract, there is no case....period.



Anyone else here researching these things? I would like to discuss peoples' ideas here about their dissension/secession?

Frankly (and I'm saying this is based on experience dealing with people with serious psychiatric disorders), you express yourself like a classic paranoid schizophrenic. I'm not trying to be funny here, but you really should stay on your meds.

 

[ShawnD1]

If our society was more rational, Boehner would be viewed as a crazy demagogue who rivals and really surpasses the USSR's propaganda.

One of the guys in my engineering classes is an older Russian man, probably about 45 or so. He's fairly new to Canada and he spent most of his life in Russia. One day I made a comment about how strange some "expert advice" was in a newspaper about how to prevent car theft. The Russian said something in broken English but part of it was "Strange things about this country is people believe everything on TV and newspaper."

In many ways western fear mongering is worse than it was in USSR. The Russians knew that much of what they heard was bullshit. People would not be fleeing USSR in hopes of getting to western Europe or USA if they believed the media and honestly thought the west was a terrible place. There wouldn't be a Berlin Wall to keep people from escaping; truly brainwashed people would not want to escape in the first place.

Now turn that around and look at the US population. Most Americans are good and intelligent people, but there's a significant number of people who are deathly afraid of socialism and they don't know why. They're afraid of Marxism but they can't clearly explain what that even means (I don't know either). This is what brainwashing looks like.

 

[her209]

Now turn that around and look at the US population. Most Americans are good and intelligent people, but there's a significant number of people who are deathly afraid of socialism and they don't know why. They're afraid of Marxism but they can't clearly explain what that even means (I don't know either). This is what brainwashing looks like.

Its like Pee Wee's Play House. We are given a secret word and when someone utters it, we're supposed to run around and scream like a crazy person.

 

[Fern]

Will be interesting to see how many people will refuse to comply.

Perception is reality these days. No matter what I or you think about this HC bill etc, for those who see it as socialism or whatever, that is their reality and they will act accordingly.

Fern

 

[Fern]

-snip-
Now turn that around and look at the US population. Most Americans are good and intelligent people, but there's a significant number of people who are deathly afraid of socialism and they don't know why. They're afraid of Marxism but they can't clearly explain what that even means (I don't know either). This is what brainwashing looks like.

Probably fear those because they were old enough to remember the USSR and how those people were treated. Likewise for Cuba or Venuzuela.

Fern

 

[ShawnD1]

Its like Pee Wee's Play House. We are given a secret word and when someone utters it, we're supposed to run around and scream like a crazy person.

Frankly (and I'm saying this is based on experience dealing with people with serious psychiatric disorders), you express yourself like a classic paranoid schizophrenic.

haha. I see what you did there :awe:

 

[ShawnD1]

Probably fear those because they were old enough to remember the USST and how those people were treated. Likewise for Cuba or Venuzuela.

Ironically the "best" countries in the world as ranked by the UN are all very socialist. Here's the 2009 list:

1 Norway
2 Australia
3 Iceland
4 Canada
5 Ireland
6 Netherlands
7 Sweden
8 France
9 Switzerland
10 Japan

Norway and Switzerland are the most interesting countries in the world. Norway has prisons that look nicer than my house, link. People in Switzerland are required by law to keep a gun in their house for the sake of having a properly armed militia; it's exactly as stated by the second amendment in the US constitution, link.

 

[Tristicus]

It's from Sicko, so I tend to have a hard time believing that.
But fuck, I might as well go live there and kill someone. I'd have a great life.

 

[ShawnD1]

It's from Sicko, so I tend to have a hard time believing that.
But fuck, I might as well go live there and kill someone. I'd have a great life.

Actually I joke about this all the time in Canada. I keep wondering why homeless people don't just take a bunch of people hostage with a knife or something. You wouldn't even need to kill anyone since taking hostages is probably illegal (I haven't checked). Prison sucks but it's warm and there's food. The streets are cold and there's no food.

I can't help but think the homeless people are mentally ill if there are so many of them not doing this. I think my hostages idea is pretty good.

 

[JSt0rm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X6VoFBCE9k

 

[ebaycj]

No problem Rock Hydra, just leave the USA, renounce your citizenship, find some country more to your liking, and don't let the exit door hit you on your Butt.

But if you choose to stay, you have to play by the rules. You can't pick and choose what benefits you accept and what liabilities you reject.

...But it's OK to do that with the Bible, why not with Government?

 

[sandorski]

If you don't like living in a country where a strong central government mandates and regulates things with the best interest of the people in mind, then you might want to consider checking out a place like Somalia. No central government and it's just working out great for them I hear. If that's your ideal, then by all means feel free to try for it. Just not here. The US is nowhere near socialism. The far right has been trying its hardest for the past couple decades to move the country to an elitist fascist government. And it seems that any move away from it they call socialism. I for one am happy that the US, which was prior to this the ONLY wealthy, industrialized nation not to have a universal healthcare system, has finally done something to stop our slide towards being a third world country.

Somalia is awesome! Have you seen the size of the Fish they catch there?

 

[nageov3t]

I for one appreciate how calm and rational you're being about all this.

 

[sandorski]

One of the guys in my engineering classes is an older Russian man, probably about 45 or so. He's fairly new to Canada and he spent most of his life in Russia. One day I made a comment about how strange some "expert advice" was in a newspaper about how to prevent car theft. The Russian said something in broken English but part of it was "Strange things about this country is people believe everything on TV and newspaper."

In many ways western fear mongering is worse than it was in USSR. The Russians knew that much of what they heard was bullshit. People would not be fleeing USSR in hopes of getting to western Europe or USA if they believed the media and honestly thought the west was a terrible place. There wouldn't be a Berlin Wall to keep people from escaping; truly brainwashed people would not want to escape in the first place.

Now turn that around and look at the US population. Most Americans are good and intelligent people, but there's a significant number of people who are deathly afraid of socialism and they don't know why. They're afraid of Marxism but they can't clearly explain what that even means (I don't know either). This is what brainwashing looks like.

Ya, I can believe this. I think our Press is far more trustworthy, but even if they are reporting just the facts there are many out there whose sole Job is to lead the Press towards a Conclusion, True or otherwise(mostly Otherwise).

I have stated this before, but will do it again as it kinda pertains: The US both Won and Lost the Cold War. They Won by defeating the USSR. They Lost by forgetting that their own Propaganda was in fact just Propaganda and by not letting their Fear also die with the USSR's death. With no Enemy to apply their Fear and Paranoia too, they soon began applying it to themselves.

 

[cubeless]

One of the guys in my engineering classes is an older Russian man, probably about 45 or so. He's fairly new to Canada and he spent most of his life in Russia. One day I made a comment about how strange some "expert advice" was in a newspaper about how to prevent car theft. The Russian said something in broken English but part of it was "Strange things about this country is people believe everything on TV and newspaper."

In many ways western fear mongering is worse than it was in USSR. The Russians knew that much of what they heard was bullshit. People would not be fleeing USSR in hopes of getting to western Europe or USA if they believed the media and honestly thought the west was a terrible place. There wouldn't be a Berlin Wall to keep people from escaping; truly brainwashed people would not want to escape in the first place.

Now turn that around and look at the US population. Most Americans are good and intelligent people, but there's a significant number of people who are deathly afraid of socialism and they don't know why. They're afraid of Marxism but they can't clearly explain what that even means (I don't know either). This is what brainwashing looks like.

no, it's very simple... they saw the propaganda pictures of how life sucked in the ussr and eastern bloc, they see pictures of how life sucks in cuba... so they don't want their country to be like that... everybody doesn't have a phd in political science... the us has problems, but on average our citizens are doing pretty damn well, and are scared that this won't be the case anymore...

 

[Noobtastic]

 

[GuitarDaddy]

I bet that is what people in the 30s said to people who objected to Social Security....and then again during the "Great Society." You people are slipping down the slippery slope and aren't smart enough to see it.

No, you were just born a hundred years to late.

You would have been so happy in the old west before the socialization of America

 

[GuitarDaddy]

double post

 

[ShawnD1]

no, it's very simple... they saw the propaganda pictures of how life sucked in the ussr and eastern bloc, they see pictures of how life sucks in cuba... so they don't want their country to be like that... everybody doesn't have a phd in political science... the us has problems, but on average our citizens are doing pretty damn well, and are scared that this won't be the case anymore...

Those same TV channels regularly run stories about how other countries operate. Probably 10 years ago I saw an episode of 60 Minutes that went over how Sweden operates. They talked about free healthcare, they talked about how well funded the old age pension was, they talked about how incredibly high the taxes are, they talked about school being either free or almost free. I saw stories like this all the time as a kid. Even kid shows like Magic School Bus and Reading Rainbow give a half-ass explanation of culture in other countries. They don't talk about serious stuff like healthcare, but they give the viewer a general idea of what that country is like.

Alright so now you're all grown up and you're fully aware that other countries are just as prosperous as yours. You've seen pictures of how beautiful Stockholm is, your girlfriend wants to see the Eiffel Tower, your stoner friends want to visit Amsterdam, and your mom has a dark tan because she just got back from vacationing in Australia. Some of these places are a little different, and one character in Pulp Fiction claims you can buy a beer at McDonalds in France, but outside of that they're basically the same.

Now you're 30 and you start to care a little more about your health. You want a job with health and dental benefits. You brush three times per day because you care that much. A friend shows you a movie called Sicko that mentioned something about USA being the only G8 nation that does not have free government health care.

Logical conclusion at this point in life :
Americans are just as smart as Europeans. With a little hard work, socialized medicine will work.

Paranoid schizophrenia conclusion:
Europeans are all communist spies and Obama is the muslim who will lead those atheist... muslims to... something. oh mah gawd

 

[Capt Caveman]

Since the US was the last industrialized nation to implement universal healthcare, where do you plan to move? Haiti?