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lxskllr

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You can safely get magnesium into diet from nuts, dark chocolate (high % cacao or nibs), leafy green vegetables, bananas, avocados, etc. Foods that are "heart healthy" (or just good for you, generally). But waiting until after tests may be prudent, in any case.
I was looking at my bottle of Gerolsteiner this morning. It has a decent amount of minerals for plain water. It also has a bold manly flavor. Recommended

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerolsteiner_Brunnen
 

NuclearNed

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So I've been taking 250mg for 2 days now, and maybe I feel a little better. By "better" I mean maybe my heartrate is more normal (not as slow) and maybe my heart feels a little less fluttery. It's kind of hard to say for sure because I really badly want a simple solution like that to fix it, but I'm aware that wishful thinking might make me feel better even if I'm not.. I haven't heard the results of the heart monitor from my Dr yet; I hope that happens soon.
 
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purbeast0

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Nothing against you personally, but this is why I laugh at people that spend 20%+ of their life in a gym.

In the end it's not going to be a major determining factor vs. General exercise. Either case we can fall over tomorrow for all we know.

Either way, hope these issues clear up for you :(
I don't think anybody, maybe outside of olympic athletes or professional body builders, spend 20% of their life in a gym. And even that is a huge stretch.
 

Kaido

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I don't think anybody, maybe outside of olympic athletes or professional body builders, spend 20% of their life in a gym. And even that is a huge stretch.

I probably spend 20% of my life thinking about going to the gym. But, you know, cookies.
 
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NuclearNed

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I definitely feel better today, but I'm not sure if this is the product of wishful thinking, me skipping coffee for a few days, the magnesium supplements, or something else. I woke up this morning feeling "normal" and I haven't felt a single heartbeat skip yet. You know that chest tightness you feel when you are real anxious and worried about something? That was gone this morning when I woke up. What's funny is that I didn't even know it was there (and I guess has been there a couple of months) until I couldn't feel it anymore. Also, my pulse rate seems much more normal - at times lately it has been really slow. I'm super hopeful that the magnesium is what is making these differences.

I still haven't heard from my Doctor. I think I'll call if I haven't heard from him by lunch.
 
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NuclearNed

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I finally got a call from my general practitioner regarding the results of my Holter monitor. It basically was: "We saw some irregular heartbeats. You should see a cardiologist." Gee, thanks.
 

Charmonium

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The DV (daily value - new version of the min daily requirement) for magnesium is 400mg. So if you're taking only 250mg and it's a magnesium salt rather than a chelate, you're probably not getting good absorption plus you're not hitting the DV.
 

NuclearNed

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The DV (daily value - new version of the min daily requirement) for magnesium is 400mg. So if you're taking only 250mg and it's a magnesium salt rather than a chelate, you're probably not getting good absorption plus you're not hitting the DV.

All true. The magnesium is more or less an experiment until I get some better direction from my doctor. I'm taking a low amount because in my research about it, I've found a lot of warnings about getting too much of it... either too little or too much magnesium will cause the symptoms I'm experiencing, and I don't want to make myself worse. What I'm taking is not a chelate, but I may shift to that variety for several reasons should it turn out that this fixes my issues.
 
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Jaskalas

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I finally got a call from my general practitioner regarding the results of my Holter monitor. It basically was: "We saw some irregular heartbeats. You should see a cardiologist." Gee, thanks.

Primary care doctors are nothing more than secretaries these days. They simply act as the middle men standing between you and the professionals. Nothing serious was going to get done until you saw at least a Cardiologist. For PVCs and "electrical" heart issues, you'll want an even finer degree of specialist, an Electrophysiologist (EP). They are the professionals who specialize in ablation and curing irregular heart beats.

In most cases, you're going to be just fine.
 
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Murloc

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Primary care doctors are nothing more than secretaries these days. They simply act as the middle men standing between you and the professionals. Nothing serious was going to get done until you saw at least a Cardiologist. For PVCs and "electrical" heart issues, you'll want an even finer degree of specialist, an Electrophysiologist (EP). They are the professionals who specialize in ablation and curing irregular heart beats.

In most cases, you're going to be just fine.

tbh too many people would go straight to specialists for BS and raise healthcare costs.

This doctor acted as a filter. In this case he could have sent OP straight to a cardiologist but in other cases it's not so clear-cut and in that case cutting down on the list of potential issues becomes useful.

Still, it's nice that he's feeling better.

Do get to the bottom of the issue though, stuff is easier to prevent than to cure.
 

TheVrolok

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At least you're not regular irregular, I suspect you'll be fine.

To be fair, irregularly irregular is probably worse. :)

Primary care doctors are nothing more than secretaries these days. They simply act as the middle men standing between you and the professionals. Nothing serious was going to get done until you saw at least a Cardiologist. For PVCs and "electrical" heart issues, you'll want an even finer degree of specialist, an Electrophysiologist (EP). They are the professionals who specialize in ablation and curing irregular heart beats.

Sounds to me like you need to find a better primary care doctor. It's unfortunate that this is a common sentiment these days (equally unfortunate is that there is a lot of truth to it for a number of reasons). Everyone has PVCs, everyone. Unless he has pathogenic PVCs, he absolutely does not need an EP.

I finally got a call from my general practitioner regarding the results of my Holter monitor. It basically was: "We saw some irregular heartbeats. You should see a cardiologist." Gee, thanks.

A real shame you had such a terrible interaction with your provider, and it irritates me quite a bit. Is this person a physician? (my own curiosity) Would you care for some follow up questions for this provider to get some better answers now? (understandably you may not want to waste your time) Shit. I'll call this person myself that's how much this lack of professionalism and shirking of responsibility irks me.
 

Jaskalas

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Sounds to me like you need to find a better primary care doctor. It's unfortunate that this is a common sentiment these days (equally unfortunate is that there is a lot of truth to it for a number of reasons). Everyone has PVCs, everyone. Unless he has pathogenic PVCs, he absolutely does not need an EP.

The OP has already been negatively affected for a month and a half, he has a family history of needing ablation, and his primary already confirmed that he should see a cardiologist. I think it's safe to assume he's not panicked over a caffeine withdrawal induced day of palpitations.

Oh, Ned, you're not drinking a lot of caffeine, are you?

As for primary care... Even for a simple foot injury one gets forwarded over to an orthopedic. It's a wonder what primaries still do besides prescriptions and naming the specialist you actually need to go see. Medicine has grown so far beyond what one doctor can do.
 
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TheVrolok

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The OP has already been negatively affected for a month and a half, he has a family history of needing ablation, and his primary already confirmed that he should see a cardiologist. I think it's safe to assume he's not panicked over a caffeine withdrawal induced day of palpitations.

Wait, you just said the referral by his primary is proof that he has something pathologic, yet previously said his primary is essentially worthless. His primary both knows it's serious and knows nothing? That doesn't seem to jive. Having a "family history of ablation" is quite vague and could imply any number of things, many of which may carry no significance to him as a patient whatsoever.

As for primary care... Even for a simple foot injury one gets forwarded over to an orthopedic. It's a wonder what primaries still do besides prescriptions and naming the specialist you actually need to go see. Medicine has grown so far beyond what one doctor can do.

You're speaking in some significant generalities. Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad primary care physicians out there who are simply referral mills, but identifying the profession by it's worst representatives is fairly disingenuous. I also, obviously, disagree with your last point. Certainly there is A LOT of medicine out there now, and it grows by the second, but it is hardly something that is marginalizing a good primary care doctor. The vast majority of it certainly can be managed by one well trained physician, especially if the environment were improved (e.g., administration forcing 10-20 minute visits per patient). This is not to downplay the need for specialists, there is a lot of value to good specialists when you get to the point that their services are required. However, there are just as many bad cardiologists, nephrologists, pulmonologists, etc. out there as primary care doctors.

What we need are empowered primary care physicians, rather than impaired ones.
 

NuclearNed

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Oh, Ned, you're not drinking a lot of caffeine, are you?

I've had virtually no caffeine for nearly a week. Starting about 2-3 days after I started taking magnesium, my heartrate has become almost completely normal, and I've had almost no "skips" (I realize that technically that isn't what they are but that's the easiest way to refer to them). There are a couple of exceptions... Friday afternoon I had a cup of caffeinated hot tea and almost immediately I got that fluttery feeling in my chest. Then Sunday I had a glass and a half of red wine, and same thing - the heart got irregular. I'm going to test this today by having a cup of tea after lunch & then see what happens.
 

Thebobo

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Not saying you but it's pretty incredible what the human psyche do to your health. The placebo effect is very real. Some people swear by acupuncture. Some swear by meditating. Another thing is stress, and what it can do to your health mentally and physically.
 

NuclearNed

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Not saying you but it's pretty incredible what the human psyche do to your health. The placebo effect is very real. Some people swear by acupuncture. Some swear by meditating. Another thing is stress, and what it can do to your health mentally and physically.

Oh yeah - I totally know. That's the reason that I'm still going to go through all the proper medical procedures, tests, etc even though I've started to feel better.
 
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phreaqe

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Hopefully they can get it figured out. I have had a feeling exactly like you described and wore a monitor a few times but they always reported it as normal. the weird beat only happens occasionally, so i feel like i will need to where one for a week or more to get to actually capture it. Since yours seems to have caught it hopefully that's a good sign.
 

Charmonium

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I've had virtually no caffeine for nearly a week. Starting about 2-3 days after I started taking magnesium, my heartrate has become almost completely normal, and I've had almost no "skips" (I realize that technically that isn't what they are but that's the easiest way to refer to them). There are a couple of exceptions... Friday afternoon I had a cup of caffeinated hot tea and almost immediately I got that fluttery feeling in my chest. Then Sunday I had a glass and a half of red wine, and same thing - the heart got irregular. I'm going to test this today by having a cup of tea after lunch & then see what happens.
congrats dude. Definitely follow through as you plan to though since a little caffeine or booze shouldn't cause any significant problems. Minor problems yes, but nothing major. Right now you're probably hypervigilant so it's probably minor, still . . . it's worth checking out. And definitely keep up with the Mg since you're probably not getting enough of that anyway. Also look into a Zn supplement as well since that's also a tough mineral to get enough of. Most of the other stuff you'll get from your diet but those 2 are tricky. A multivitamin isn't a bad idea either but you can probably flip a coin on that one.

Oh, and finally - D3. If you're outdoors alot year round you probably don't need it but if you only get out during the warm months or if you tend to wear sunscreen, you should take a couple thousand IUs per day. D3 is essential for a broad range of metabolic functions. Osteoporosis is one issue but a relatively minor one by comparison - https://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/features/the-truth-about-vitamin-d-why-you-need-vitamin-d
 

lxskllr

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Not saying you but it's pretty incredible what the human psyche do to your health. The placebo effect is very real. Some people swear by acupuncture. Some swear by meditating. Another thing is stress, and what it can do to your health mentally and physically.
I swear by never seeing a doctor. No doctor=no bad news. I'll just fall over dead some day :^D
 
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SearchMaster

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For what it's worth, I have a friend who started having symptoms like you describe. He said "I gotta quit caffeine" - he did that day, and has never had another issue.
 
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NuclearNed

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UPDATE 20171108: I saw the cardiologist yesterday & the news is pretty good. First, my primary physician slightly misdiagnosed me... instead of a PVC, I have a PAC which is the same condition but in a different section of the heart. This is good news; a PVC can indicate that something worse may be going on, but a PAC is almost completely benign. The cardiologist is going to ultrasound my heart in a couple of weeks just to be sure nothing else is going on. He isn't going to put me on any medicines. He said the available medicines would make me feel worse than the PAC is making me feel, and I mostly feel pretty good now that I've cut out all food & drink that contain caffeine.
 

allisolm

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Glad to hear that the news is good. Let us know how the ultrasound comes out, although I have no doubt the news there will be good as well.