I can't think of a more stupidly entitled group than...

[EliteRetard]

Clearly I have more experience than you in this field, so why are you trying to argue over shit that you have no idea about?

The "I ONLY PIRATE BECAUSE I HAD TO" guys are the vocal minority.

It would appear you are the only one attempting to argue.
I posted my thoughts and opinions on the matter and you attacked them, IN CAPS!!1!ONE!!

I would surmise that the people who pirate on necessity only do so rarely and have little to no reason to voice themselves on the internet. Along with the many people who are unknowingly pirating I would suggest that the pirate community is much larger than the group valiantly declaring themselves online.

I have never joined a pirate group and I don't know the pirate websites. Maybe there are millions of active voiced pirate members, I don't know. If that is the case then there are far more active pirates than I guessed.

My posts are only to suggest some possible scenarios that you may or may not have considered. If you're certain that I'm wrong I'm not going to argue with your experience.

 

[reallyscrued]

This thread so delivers.

 

[Ns1]

I have never joined a pirate group and I don't know the pirate websites. Maybe there are millions of active voiced pirate members, I don't know. If that is the case then there are far more active pirates than I guessed.

My posts are only to suggest some possible scenarios that you may or may not have considered. If you're certain that I'm wrong I'm not going to argue with your experience.

I accept that those other scenarios are valid, my point is that they represent a massive minority of pirates out there. The piracy scene is much bigger than you appear to know about.

Sorry for getting so argumentative, piracy threads do that to me.

 

[EliteRetard]

What, may I ask, is it delivering?

 

[cheezy321]

Piracy threads are always funny.

I pirate movies. I don't pretend that I pirate them for any reason other than it was free and I was mildly interested in watching that movie / listening to that song.

Those that rail on DRM and make claims like 'piracy increases sales!' are pretty hilarious. I never pirate music anymore. It's too easy to just stream it off of Pandora. If I like a certain band, I'll purchase their stuff. Music just really isn't worth the hassle of piracy anymore. I can afford to drop $2 - $10 / month on music I want.

I still pirate movies. The movies I am really excited about I will see in the theater. Movies like Gravity. I'll go to the classy AMC theatres and plunk down $18 per ticket for the good ones. There have been so many movies lately where I end up thinking 'man I am glad I didn't pay for this'.

If you pirate, that is fine. If you pirate and use the reasoning of DRM and stupid laws against piracy then you are an idiot.

 

[EliteRetard]

I accept that those other scenarios are valid, my point is that they represent a massive minority of pirates out there. The piracy scene is much bigger than you appear to know about.

Sorry for getting so argumentative, piracy threads do that to me.

I see...
I appear to be out of date with everything.
I must be getting old.

 

[Ns1]

Piracy threads are always funny.

I pirate movies. I don't pretend that I pirate them for any reason other than it was free and I was mildly interested in watching that movie / listening to that song.

Those that rail on DRM and make claims like 'piracy increases sales!' are pretty hilarious. I never pirate music anymore. It's too easy to just stream it off of Pandora. If I like a certain band, I'll purchase their stuff. Music just really isn't worth the hassle of piracy anymore. I can afford to drop $2 - $10 / month on music I want.

I still pirate movies. The movies I am really excited about I will see in the theater. Movies like Gravity. I'll go to the classy AMC theatres and plunk down $18 per ticket for the good ones. There have been so many movies lately where I end up thinking 'man I am glad I didn't pay for this'.

If you pirate, that is fine. If you pirate and use the reasoning of DRM and stupid laws against piracy then you are an idiot.

what he said.

 

[EliteRetard]

Piracy threads are always funny.

I pirate movies. I don't pretend that I pirate them for any reason other than it was free and I was mildly interested in watching that movie / listening to that song.

Those that rail on DRM and make claims like 'piracy increases sales!' are pretty hilarious. I never pirate music anymore. It's too easy to just stream it off of Pandora. If I like a certain band, I'll purchase their stuff. Music just really isn't worth the hassle of piracy anymore. I can afford to drop $2 - $10 / month on music I want.

I still pirate movies. The movies I am really excited about I will see in the theater. Movies like Gravity. I'll go to the classy AMC theatres and plunk down $18 per ticket for the good ones. There have been so many movies lately where I end up thinking 'man I am glad I didn't pay for this'.

If you pirate, that is fine. If you pirate and use the reasoning of DRM and stupid laws against piracy then you are an idiot.

So what do you make of studies like these:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/music-pirates-study_n_2526417.html
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music

That seem to show pirates are more likely to pay and also likely buy more stuff?

Not sure if I can say pirates increase sales, but if they are buying more than the non pirates then the problem with sales is not necessarily the pirates themselves. That would suggest the problem lies with the company, format, distribution etc. If there are problems with a legal product, that can deter people who don't know or don't want to pirate from investing in said product.

I see it as a simple marketing problem...and it seems fairly obvious in several cases. Many companies today do not provide the product people want in the way/format that people want. That would seem to suggest that it is the DRM and stupid laws that are doing more harm than good.

Imagine if the government suddenly mandated all new cars have a bare ass scanner to enter the vehicle. Sales of the new models would plunge, some people may be willing to accept it and the "pirates" who know a workaround or how disable it may buy in...but an illegal market of cars with disabled ass scanners would surely open up. Certainly that's a stupid arbitrary rule that does no good, but we seem to have many such rules in the media industry. Getting rid of the stupid shit like this would entice more legitimate buyers and shrink the illegal market (would no longer "need" a hacked model without the ass scanner).

 

[EliteRetard]

Just thought of a good real world example as well:

Microsoft with the new Xbox and the always online and prevention of sharing.

Look how many people were angered by that, they did not want their console always online and may have taken issue with the removal of the used games market as well.

The original attitude was you don't have to buy it. If you don't have always online then fuck you and you don't deserve the new unit get the old one. The media industry maintains this attitude and is then shocked when sales are lackluster. Of coarse hackers/pirates come in and make a copy/hack to remove the stupid arbitrary rule (which may or may not "increase" sales) but the pirates would be blamed for the lack of sales.

Edit: I want to clarify, I don't support or condone pirating (though I also do not consider it theft). I'm simply making observations and forming ideas/opinions based on that. If people can debate properly online it can be a useful medium to increase knowledge and understanding. I find the topic of pirating interesting and reading other peoples ideas/opinions on the matter is at the very least entertaining to me.

 

[purbeast0]

Just thought of a good real world example as well:

Microsoft with the new Xbox and the always online and prevention of sharing.

Look how many people were angered by that, they did not want their console always online and may have taken issue with the removal of the used games market as well.

The original attitude was you don't have to buy it. If you don't have always online then fuck you and you don't deserve the new unit get the old one. The media industry maintains this attitude and is then shocked when sales are lackluster. Of coarse hackers/pirates come in and make a copy/hack to remove the stupid arbitrary rule (which may or may not "increase" sales) but the pirates would be blamed for the lack of sales.

holy moly you love to talk about things you have no clue about.

that always online thing and prevention of used game sales has been gone from the xbox1 for like 2 or 3 months now.

 

[EliteRetard]

holy moly you love to talk about things you have no clue about.

that always online thing and prevention of used game sales has been gone from the xbox1 for like 2 or 3 months now.

Yes it has. I guess I didn't clarify well enough.
What I was suggesting is that the media industry is currently maintaining a similar attitude as Microsoft originally had with the Xbox One...to their own detriment.

It seems Microsoft learned their lesson and listened to the masses...while the high rate of piracy would suggest (to me at least) that the media industry is not listening to the masses. Especially if pirates are spending more/buying more than non pirates. Which (to me) would suggest that the product as offered is not as desired, and if modified would bring in more sales from non pirates, as well as those who are pirating but like to support the company who made the product.

Just as Microsoft will now see more sales since they modified their policy (people without internet or opposed always on are now potential customers, among others). Without modifying the core functionality of the product itself.

 

[gevorg]

 

[Ken g6]

A 2GB rip of any video is god-awful. A YouTube rip may actually be better; 2GB/film translates into ~2Mb/sec, which is a lower bitrate than what YouTube uses. If you're going to steal something, steal something that actually has a degree of quality to it.

ORLY? I've recently discovered that I can encode 8 42-or-so-minute TV shows on one DVD, in 720p, at roughly 1.6Mb/sec. I think it looks very good. It certainly looks much better than either video tape at EP or a dedicated DVD recorder at EP, both of which store the same amount of video on one tape or disc respectively.

If you don't think 2Mb/s is good, IMHO, you're either trying to encode at 1080p or you're not working on the encode hard enough.

 

[shortylickens]

No 2gb for most 2 hour movies is very good quality. Its those 600meg files I cant stand. Even on a smartphone they look crummy.

 

[Brian Stirling]

No, theft is ultimately denying the owner of a good or service to be paid for it when you take it.

If you worked for years to make something of value, something that many people want, but instead of buying it someone makes a copy, without paying, how do you, the person that spent all that time, get paid? Is the person taking the copy allowed to decide if you are paid or not?

The pirate ethic sounds great but is really a dodge to hide the fact that you ARE stealing.


Brian

 

[Ns1]

If you worked for years to make something of value, something that many people want, but instead of buying it someone makes a copy, without paying, how do you, the person that spent all that time, get paid? Is the person taking the copy allowed to decide if you are paid or not?

Who gives a fuck, I deserve to download your product free, immediately, because of reasons.

 

[SheHateMe]

I don't pirate music. I have subs to Pandora AND Spotify, both of which I can stream practically anywhere, on my phone, my tablet, my TV, my HTPC, my AV Reciever, etc.


Movies.....uh, lets not talk about that lol.

I do have Netflix.

My reasons for being a pirate: Because I can. Nothing else.


It does irk me that Hollywood and the Music industry pretend like Piracy is hurting them so bad and they invest so much damn time in shutting down communities...but then they announce their figures at the end of the year and it makes you wonder why they lie about how bad piracy is but are willing to be honest about their earnings.

*shrug*

The gaming industry gets it. STEAM alone has given small time developers a chance in the industry by offering a fair platform thats no bullshit unlike the movie industry where I can't fucking play the Blu-Ray I rented from the video store on my computer because of some bullshit.

Even though that movie refuses to play...it will if I rip it. So, I have no fucking qualms about renting movies and ripping them to my computer. I rip it to the computer, I strip all the bullshit off like trailers and menus and I am left with what I wanted from the very start A MOVIE.

 

[ViviTheMage]

No 2gb for most 2 hour movies is very good quality. Its those 600meg files I cant stand. Even on a smartphone they look crummy.

yeah, pass!

I get at least a minimum of 3.98gb ... from a specific source too, they have eveeeeeeeeerything on blu ray... I honestly cannot tell the difference between 3.98gb rip and a 7.98gb rip from the same person. That might be my projector though...but man, on my $2,000 audio setup it sounds superb either way. Also looks gorgeous on my projector!

 

[SheHateMe]

^^ I agree, anything below 3GB is not even on my radar.

TV shows that are less than 1GB are also not on my radar.

 

[ViviTheMage]

^^ I agree, anything below 3GB is not even on my radar.

TV shows that are less than 1GB are also not on my radar.

oh ya, agreed! Especially for shows that are 45~ minutes, better be 720p or 1GB+

Someday, i'd love to see ALL movies on blue ray in a HD streamable format...even if I had to pay 3-4$ per movie rental to stream it in HD, I want ONE PLACE FOR THEM ALL. none of this stupid stuff where they disappear on occasion (BS licensing) ... netflix has it righ, if only producers would just let them have all the damn content...

on top of that, if TV shows showed up as streamable on netflix the next day or two, i'd pay $50 a month for that service.

 

[purbeast0]

yeah, pass!

I get at least a minimum of 3.98gb ... from a specific source too, they have eveeeeeeeeerything on blu ray... I honestly cannot tell the difference between 3.98gb rip and a 7.98gb rip from the same person. That might be my projector though...but man, on my $2,000 audio setup it sounds superb either way. Also looks gorgeous on my projector!

there really is no way you are watching an hd movie with at least dd5.1 sound that comes in at 3.98gb. there is going to be quality loss somewhere at that small of a file size. the difference between a 720p and 1080p movie as well on a projector (assuming you have a bid display if you have a projector) is very noticeable as well.

 

[SheHateMe]

netflix has it righ, if only producers would just let them have all the damn content...

on top of that, if TV shows showed up as streamable on netflix the next day or two, i'd pay $50 a month for that service.

Hollywood is too greedy to allow Netflix to do that. I've been a member of Nflx since the beginning and I've watched them lose so much GOOD content because hollywood are greedy bastids. I used to watch Weeds on Netflix, and then Showtime wouldn't renew with them.....ugh..

They're trying to kill it. And if Netflix ever succumbs, there will be nothing left.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Hollywood is too greedy to allow Netflix to do that. I've been a member of Nflx since the beginning and I've watched them lose so much GOOD content because hollywood are greedy bastids. I used to watch Weeds on Netflix, and then Showtime wouldn't renew with them.....ugh..

They're trying to kill it. And if Netflix ever succumbs, there will be nothing left.

And that's what bothers me ... random loss of movies/shows! People want this, they should really get on board and collect our $$.

there really is no way you are watching an hd movie with at least dd5.1 sound that comes in at 3.98gb. there is going to be quality loss somewhere at that small of a file size. the difference between a 720p and 1080p movie as well on a projector (assuming you have a bid display if you have a projector) is very noticeable as well.

No doubt there is loss somewhere, and it is indeed DD5.1. my projector is 720p, and puts out about a 8 foot wide screen...my dog seems to like it, LOL

http://imgur.com/w2J1hae

 

[lxskllr]

No, theft is ultimately denying the owner of a good or service to be paid for it when you take it.

If you worked for years to make something of value, something that many people want, but instead of buying it someone makes a copy, without paying, how do you, the person that spent all that time, get paid? Is the person taking the copy allowed to decide if you are paid or not?

The pirate ethic sounds great but is really a dodge to hide the fact that you ARE stealing.


Brian

It still isn't stealing. You can abuse English all you like, but repetition doesn't turn it into truth.

People will support works they appreciate. If someone doesn't care enough to support the work, someone else will.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/misinterpreting-copyright.html

 

[Ns1]

People will support works they appreciate. If someone doesn't care enough to support the work, someone else will.

Does not give rights to thieves to enjoy product for free.