I can't believes this - Professor calls cops on pro-gun student....

[First]

Damn it's entertaining to see certain people continue to post even when their replies were eventually ignored for a reason. :laugh:

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Unless he said "I think everyone should have a gun on campus, and I have one now", or made threats, I hope this teacher is fired.

What a bunch of little urban bubble-kids they have to be to be scared of talking about firearms.

Thank you, 2nd amendment.

But again, you don't know what he said. He very well could have said that he always carries a gun.

But again, he could have said if his aunt had balls, she would be his uncle.


The headline would have read this: "Man claims to have gun, gets arrested in class".


Grow up. You dont always have to look at everything through those partisan glasses.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Hopefully a conservative professor will call the cops on the next hippy that stands up in class and says we need to legalize hard drugs. (No, pot is not a hard drug).

didn`t read ther whole article did you......

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: daishi5

I am sure you have statistics to back up your claim that it is insane and incredibly dangerous, and before you respond please remember several college campuses allow this already, so there is historical evidence that should support one of us.

Huh? How is carrying a loaded weapon not dangerous, you need to be babied on common sense or what?

It requires responsibility, but if done correctly there's no danger at all. Millions upon millions of people do it every day and have for hundreds of years, without serious incident.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: daishi5

Huh? How is carrying a loaded weapon not dangerous, you need to be babied on common sense or what?

How is riding around in a steel encased shell, on top of a container of volatile chemicals that readily combust when exposed to sparks, that is driven by a large number of explosions in a small aluminum container not dangerous? Hmmmm, let me think that one through, gee I think it is not dangerous because I can look around and see millions of people doing it every day and none of them blow up. Lets take that brilliant logic and apply it to this question you posed? Millions of people carry weapons every day. Since they are so dangerous and its common sense, I am sure that you can find me some wonderful stories to back up your assertion that allowing concealed carry permit holders to carry their weapons on campus is dangerous. Please, find me ACTUAL REAL LIFE EXAMPLES, don't resort to low brow demeaning stereotypes of college students, if its dangerous you should be able to demonstrate the danger with real facts.

I cannot help you if you do not see the danger of carrying a loaded weapon. You're seriously out to lunch if it does not occur to you that it's dangerous, even just the potential threat of a weapon is disconcerting in the extreme on a college campus (notice I am not referring to concealed weapons on the streets). And no, driving a car serves a whole other purpose, transportation. Carrying a concealed weapon onto college campuses is just stupid, it doesn't happen often and there's really basically zero reason for it beyond paranoia.

Yes, if there were other circumstances such as he made a threat, it would be justified, however I tried to do some searching, and I found a few other articles on the issue, and there is never any mention of a threat. Merely that people felt uncomfortable. Furthermore the actions of the school did actually result in a feeling of intimidation.

Feeling intimidated isn't against the law and, frankly, it's a reasonable price to pay if the prof honestly thought the guy was even just a little bit disturbing. The upside is that he saves lives, the downside is a gun-nut complaining.

Originally posted by: daishi5


The police did not encounter a person with a weapon and ask to see his registration, they received a call from a school, called him into the station looked up his records and then questioned him about where he kept the items in question. Because he gave a speech.

Are you honestly splitting hairs over being called into a police station to show proof of gun registration and being cornered by the police in a public area to show proof of gun registration? Seriously, you want to go down that road? :roll:

Try this little trick, replace "right to carry a gun" with "legalize marijuana." Would it be ok to call every person who gives a speech on legalizing weed into the station so they could be questioned about any possible illegal drug usage?

Awful comparison. Short of forcibly injecting someone with marijuana with a needle, a highly uncommon occurrence, no clear thinking person can compare that relatively harmless drug/non-threat to someone carrying a concealed, loaded weapon. Even knowing someone is carrying a weapon on a campus should scare the hell out of sane people. This isn't the 1770's.

I think the disconnect comes because you think that he made threats, which if he did makes this all ok. If he did not make threats, all he did was express a viewpoint, than you can replace the viewpoint with any other viewpoint he might make, and the exact same treatment from the police should still make sense.

No, your analogies were just terrible, didn't make any sense. It is commonly accepted practice to drive cars, it provides an irreplaceable form of transportation (as does public transportation), and people accept the risk of those things. People do not commonly accept the risk of a student carrying a loaded gun to class. And this is just a wild guess, but I'm pretty sure most universities, conservative or liberal in affiliation, don't view students with loaded weapons on campus the same way they view students with automobiles and weed. Just a wild guess. :laugh:

I seriously doubt that you feel if he had given a speech about how we should adopt communism you would think it was ok for the police to call him.

You can't conceal the belief communism in the form of physical matter and use it to kill or threaten people the way you can with a gun. Again, your analogies are just awful.

Edit: Also, It is normally considered voter intimidation to have the police stationed outside of a polling place, so I believe the comparison should hold some water as it the police have been used to intimidate people into non-voting in the past.

Lord almighty.

Why is a college campus special? Why is it different than a kids store at a mall, a bar, a community education class, or some other venue?

Please provide an argument as to WHY it's stupid. It's done every day all over college campuses where it's allowed...without any incident at all. It's also done all over even though it's illegal...also largely without incident.

Please provide a fully supported argument as to why it's insane. Include academic studies supporting your position. I can do the opposite, so you better be pretty damn good at it.

Millions of people accept the responsible carrying of firearms every day in all sorts of settings. By the end of 2009 4-6% (at current rate of growth) of Washington residents will be carrying a concealed weapon. That's slightly higher than national average, but even the 2-3% of eligible persons that currently carry nationally is a HUGE number. Numerous colleges across the country allow it, and have for years. Many many more used to allow it for decades without incident. It changed due to ignorance and paranoia on the part of gun opponents, not gun owners and not due to actual incidents.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Why is a college campus special? Why is it different than a kids store at a mall, a bar, a community education class, or some other venue?

I never said we shouldn't have gun restrictions in those areas. It might be a good idea depending on how you define "bar", far example; bars that only serve alcohol or bars that double as restaurants, and in that case, all restaurants? Obviously, one might agree that carrying a concealed weapon and entering a bar and getting drunk, probably isn't a sane combination. Frankly, I'd like to know what the gun laws are for bars.

Please provide an argument as to WHY it's stupid. It's done every day all over college campuses where it's allowed...without any incident at all.

What world are you living in where no incidents of gun violence occur on college campuses? Please direct me to this mythical exoplanet.

It's also done all over even though it's illegal...also largely without incident.

Huh? How would you even know then if it isn't recorded and no one knows about?

:laugh:

Please provide a fully supported argument as to why it's insane. Include academic studies supporting your position. I can do the opposite, so you better be pretty damn good at it.

Common sense considering the crime rates at college universities aren't anywhere near what they are in actual cities.

Millions of people accept the responsible carrying of firearms every day in all sorts of settings. By the end of 2009 4-6% (at current rate of growth) of Washington residents will be carrying a concealed weapon. That's slightly higher than national average, but even the 2-3% of eligible persons that currently carry nationally is a HUGE number. Numerous colleges across the country allow it, and have for years. Many many more used to allow it for decades without incident. It changed due to ignorance and paranoia on the part of gun opponents, not gun owners and not due to actual incidents.

People in the U.S. have been carrying guns at a diminishing rate for decades, and particularly so since 1973. A reality you'll just have to deal with.

There have been far more restrictions placed on guns for good reason; you don't introduce a gun in particular environments simply because you can. As with anything you have to exercise common sense. You can still carry, own, and operate registered guns, I have no problem with the 2nd Amendment. But SC decisions have held that public safety is a legit concern and that guns should be legislated for the dangerous weapons they are. No one intelligent buys nonsense statements like "Millions upon millions of people do it every day and have for hundreds of years, without serious incident". It's the type of stuff you get laughed at for.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Why is a college campus special? Why is it different than a kids store at a mall, a bar, a community education class, or some other venue?

I never said we shouldn't have gun restrictions in those areas. It might be a good idea depending on how you define "bar", far example; bars that only serve alcohol or bars that double as restaurants, and in that case, all restaurants? Obviously, one might agree that carrying a concealed weapon and entering a bar and getting drunk, probably isn't a sane combination. Frankly, I'd like to know what the gun laws are for bars.

Please provide an argument as to WHY it's stupid. It's done every day all over college campuses where it's allowed...without any incident at all.

What world are you living in where no incidents of gun violence occur on college campuses? Please direct me to this mythical exoplanet.

It's also done all over even though it's illegal...also largely without incident.

Huh? How would you even know then if it isn't recorded and no one knows about?

:laugh:

Please provide a fully supported argument as to why it's insane. Include academic studies supporting your position. I can do the opposite, so you better be pretty damn good at it.

Common sense considering the crime rates at college universities aren't anywhere near what they are in actual cities.

Millions of people accept the responsible carrying of firearms every day in all sorts of settings. By the end of 2009 4-6% (at current rate of growth) of Washington residents will be carrying a concealed weapon. That's slightly higher than national average, but even the 2-3% of eligible persons that currently carry nationally is a HUGE number. Numerous colleges across the country allow it, and have for years. Many many more used to allow it for decades without incident. It changed due to ignorance and paranoia on the part of gun opponents, not gun owners and not due to actual incidents.

People in the U.S. have been carrying guns at a diminishing rate for decades, and particularly so since 1973. A reality you'll just have to deal with.

There have been far more restrictions placed on guns for good reason; you don't introduce a gun in particular environments simply because you can. As with anything you have to exercise common sense. You can still carry, own, and operate registered guns, I have no problem with the 2nd Amendment. But SC decisions have held that public safety is a legit concern and that guns should be legislated for the dangerous weapons they are. No one intelligent buys nonsense statements like "Millions upon millions of people do it every day and have for hundreds of years, without serious incident". It's the type of stuff you get laughed at for.

The laws vary from state to state, but many states allow full carry in bars. Those states have no recorded increases in incidents in bars, shootings, etc than any other area - just like we already knew from the general research which shows conclusively that person who carry concealed weapons are more law abiding and safe than regular citizens or even members of law enforcement. People who carry weapons legally are, by all research, the safest people in the nation.

Oh no...if anything your statement supports MY argument (that lawful concealed carry should be allowed due to the existence of danger on campus just like everywhere else). Gun violence isn't committed by persons carrying legally, except in extremely rare cases. The carrying of guns legally has NEVER been shown to increase violence, crime, or any other negative factors. However there are studies which show the opposite (though I don't fully agree with their methodology). Besides, I asked you first. Give me your complete and total argument, with supporting evidence...so that I can refute and destroy it utterly.

Many people speak openly of carrying even when it's illegal. Some of those people occasionally get caught, and charged, so data is also available that way.

How is that common sense? There are a nearly infinite number of differences to consider when analyzing crime rates: rates of homelessness, poverty, mental illness, gang affiliations, work environment stressors, home life stressors, demographics of the population, total area, citizen to law enforcement (or authority) ratio, controlled entrance and traffic points, worth of targets, etc. Show me actual research into these things, because my common sense indicates other possibilities.

You're only partially wrong, but you also don't consider all the facts. Yes, gun ownership (ie having a gun on one's property) has reduced about 10% over the last 50 years. However, that's percentage of respondants, not per capita (BJS sourcebook Using those percentages from the surveys, 50% of 180,000,000 had guns in 1960 (90,000,000) versus 40% of 280,000,000 in 2000 (112,000,000). In other words, even if percentages are down slightly, the total numbers are up.

Concealed Carry has only existed as law for about 40ish years in America. Since implementation rates of concealed carry have increased in the states where allowed, and the allowed states has increased from 2 to 48. In nearly all states the ease of obtaining a license has increased (from may issue to shall issue). That means that more people are legally carrying a firearm now than before, and the Obama scare is set to increase those numbers by 50-100% in the next year alone.

ANY intelligent person would do the research, and see that I'm correct, rather than buying talking points. You can contact your state licensing board to get the number of concealed permits. You'll find out it's 2-4% of the eligible population, which when multiplied over 48 states is many millions. Or you could read any number of academic studies, or government studies, readily available online.

If you research you'll also find that restrictions are in fact being lifted, not imposed, overall. More and more places are being opened to carry (colleges, national parks, etc) and many more are being attempted every year. So more people, in more states, are carrying in more places - and yet all the 'bad things' are going down, and have been going down for decades.

 

[CLite]

OMG. The other 40 page gun thread dies and we get another one. Can we start to ban the obvious trolls? and no.... I stopped reading these threads about 10 threads ago. However, it manages to annoy me to think a decent amount of people are dumb enough to engage in circular arguments on one single subject over and over and over and over again.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Unless he said "I think everyone should have a gun on campus, and I have one now", or made threats, I hope this teacher is fired.

What a bunch of little urban bubble-kids they have to be to be scared of talking about firearms.

Thank you, 2nd amendment.

But again, you don't know what he said. He very well could have said that he always carries a gun.

But again, he could have said if his aunt had balls, she would be his uncle.


The headline would have read this: "Man claims to have gun, gets arrested in class".


Grow up. You dont always have to look at everything through those partisan glasses.

You might want to take a look in the mirror. All I said is you can't take sides when the story lacks a lot of details.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
She was concerned he was keeping the firearms on campus housing, which is illegal.

fail

 

[dahunan]

the way they mentioned the police talking to him about "all" the firearms he has registered.. maybe he bragged about having 10+ guns?? or something crazy..

 

[txrandom]

CCSU is actually the second most conservative university right behind Texas A&M. She may not have been liberal, but dumb nonetheless.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: dahunan
the way they mentioned the police talking to him about "all" the firearms he has registered.. maybe he bragged about having 10+ guns?? or something crazy..

That's my problem with the story. The professor very well could have overreacted, but the student also could have mentioned how he always carries his guns, which is illegal on campus. I just can't base my opinion on the likelihood of a levelheaded professor or possibility of a competent college student. Let's face it, there's no shortage of stupid in a college classroom -- from all sides.

 

[dahunan]

I honestly do not understand what she really did wrong.. We all have the right to talk to police and let them know our concerns and have them either tell us -- pffft.. it is nothing to be concerned about.. or .. have them thank us and say it is worth looking into...

So silly how so many lampoon her without even knowing the whole story... Reminds me of some female politician who right after 9/11 happened asked "We need to find out why these people hate us" .. GEE.. what did all the bloodthirsty nuts do to her... *rolls eyes...

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: dahunan
the way they mentioned the police talking to him about "all" the firearms he has registered.. maybe he bragged about having 10+ guns?? or something crazy..

WTF is the problem with someone owning 10 guns? OMG, call the cops!!!

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: jpeyton
She was concerned he was keeping the firearms on campus housing, which is illegal.

So if I give a presentation on why marijuana should be legalized, I can expect to be called down to the police station for questioning if the teacher is concerned that I am doing something illegal?

This

 

[Red Dawn]

Too bad some professor didn't over react regarding that student at VT that shot up the campus.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Too bad some professor didn't over react regarding that student at VT that shot up the campus.

I'm sure one would have if he had given a presentation about guns.

 

[QuantumPion]

When I was in college, there was one class that I got a bad grade in (due to my own faul). One day I ran into the teacher of that class at walmart at the checkout line, while I happened to be buying a whole bunch of ammo since I was going shooting the next day. And this was at like midnight, which was my favorite time to go to walmart since it was less crowded. Anyway, it sure was an awkward moment, lol.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Too bad some professor didn't over react regarding that student at VT that shot up the campus.

Because that guy was a CC advocate to help stop rampages?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Too bad some professor didn't over react regarding that student at VT that shot up the campus.

Because that guy was a CC advocate to help stop rampages?

No because some innocent kids with promising futures might still be alive today.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Too bad some professor didn't over react regarding that student at VT that shot up the campus.

Because that guy was a CC advocate to help stop rampages?

No because some innocent kids with promising futures might still be alive today.

So should we outlaw alcohol? That would save far more innocent lives and I don't believe it's even mentioned on the Bill of Rights?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: yowolabi
Sounds like the teacher was legitimately scared, or wanted to cover her ass in case the student shot somebody and it turned out she didn't alert people about his leanings. Without hearing his essay and delivery we can't begin to judge if the teacher was justified or not.

I'm also not sure how the teacher was identified as liberal. Source?

Professor? irrelevant Check

Connecticut? irrelevant Check

Scared of guns on campus? Check

did not Suppress free speech? Check

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Too bad some professor didn't over react regarding that student at VT that shot up the campus.

Because that guy was a CC advocate to help stop rampages?

No because some innocent kids with promising futures might still be alive today.

So should we outlaw alcohol? That would save far more innocent lives and I don't believe it's even mentioned on the Bill of Rights?

No and we shouldn't outlaw guns.

 

[zebano]

To be honest, if she was concerned, I see nothing wrong with calling the cops if she was concerned, all citizens have that right. What I do potentially have a problem with is the police deciding to question him; I say potentially because I do not know what he said in his presentation. It also sounds like they requested (not required) his presence. Clearly more must be known to draw any firm conclusions.