I can't believes this - Professor calls cops on pro-gun student....

[dahunan]

Anyone can call the police at anytime they want to report anything suspicious they feel like reporting... GUESS who gets to decide to investigate it or not? The person who called OR the police?

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Silly liberals.....no wonder it is a dirty word.

*sigh*

It's not a dirty word, except to those who don't know what the fuck it actually means. There was nothing "socially permissive" about the professors behavior.

For example, the word "homosexual" isn't a dirty word except to fucking retarded bigots with their heads up their asses.

Anyway, I don't expect this to turn any of the social dinosaurs around, I just felt like calling you all retarded to make myself feel better. *deep-breath* Annnnd, I'm spent.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: Evan
^ rofl. Ocguy31 FTL yet again. :laugh:

Nowhere does the teacher claim the student made any threats, nor is there any indication the student was acting in any threating manner. To be very blunt, calling the police and having them bring the student in for questioning is intimidation. The student gave a persuasive speech that the right of citizens to carry concealed weapons should extend to their time on a college campus, its not a brand new idea. The teacher responded by talking to her superiors, and they all decided that he might be a threat because he believed a citizen's right to bear arms did not suddenly vanish when he walks onto a college campus, and your ok with this?

The student should not be submitted to any form of harassment for exercising his right to free speech., should the fact that the student was speaking about a subject where you happen to disagree with him open him up to intimidation tactics?

If you honestly think a prof would report a student for simply talking about a person's right to carry concealed weapons on campus, the best conclusion I can come to is that you believe the prof is severely mentally handicapped in some way (possible but extremely unlikely).

The guy did have a stash of weapons registered under his name, and he was talking about the right to carry concealed weapons on campus, so for all we know the student insinuated he had carried concealed weapons on campus, and if that's illegal to do on campus the prof was justified.

Besides, no one deserves courtesy for carrying concealed weapons into school. Unless it's in your job description as a cop, officer, etc., it's just inane and incredibly dangerous.

By the same token, for all we know, the professor did report him for talking about a subject she disagreed with, and for all we know, he gave no intimation of carrying already on campus.

Hypocrite.

You didn't read carefully. I never claimed I knew either way.

Read what you wrote very carefully, you claimed that if

If you honestly think a prof would report a student for simply talking about a person's right to carry concealed weapons on campus, the best conclusion I can come to is that you believe the prof is severely mentally handicapped in some way (possible but extremely unlikely).

In other words, you say that we must be insane to believe that all he did was give a speech in support of concealed carry on campus. The insinuation is that the student must have done something more to warrant the police questioning. I do not see ANY evidence that the student did any such thing, in either linked report. If there is nothing in the report about any insinuation about illegal activities, can you please tell me why we are insane if we don't make up extra details that are not contained in the articles?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: Evan
^ rofl. Ocguy31 FTL yet again. :laugh:

Nowhere does the teacher claim the student made any threats, nor is there any indication the student was acting in any threating manner. To be very blunt, calling the police and having them bring the student in for questioning is intimidation. The student gave a persuasive speech that the right of citizens to carry concealed weapons should extend to their time on a college campus, its not a brand new idea. The teacher responded by talking to her superiors, and they all decided that he might be a threat because he believed a citizen's right to bear arms did not suddenly vanish when he walks onto a college campus, and your ok with this?

The student should not be submitted to any form of harassment for exercising his right to free speech., should the fact that the student was speaking about a subject where you happen to disagree with him open him up to intimidation tactics?

If you honestly think a prof would report a student for simply talking about a person's right to carry concealed weapons on campus, the best conclusion I can come to is that you believe the prof is severely mentally handicapped in some way (possible but extremely unlikely).

The guy did have a stash of weapons registered under his name, and he was talking about the right to carry concealed weapons on campus, so for all we know the student insinuated he had carried concealed weapons on campus, and if that's illegal to do on campus the prof was justified.

Besides, no one deserves courtesy for carrying concealed weapons into school. Unless it's in your job description as a cop, officer, etc., it's just inane and incredibly dangerous.

By the same token, for all we know, the professor did report him for talking about a subject she disagreed with, and for all we know, he gave no intimation of carrying already on campus.

Hypocrite.

You didn't read carefully. I never claimed I knew either way.

Read what you wrote very carefully, you claimed that if

If you honestly think a prof would report a student for simply talking about a person's right to carry concealed weapons on campus, the best conclusion I can come to is that you believe the prof is severely mentally handicapped in some way (possible but extremely unlikely).

In other words, you say that we must be insane to believe that all he did was give a speech in support of concealed carry on campus. The insinuation is that the student must have done something more to warrant the police questioning. I do not see ANY evidence that the student did any such thing, in either linked report. If there is nothing in the report about any insinuation about illegal activities, can you please tell me why we are insane if we don't make up extra details that are not contained in the articles?

Are you assuming that these reports give ALL the details?? Like every detail?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Suppressing free speech? Check

You are free to speak after they tell you what to say. That's the sort of education you're paying for.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: Evan
^ rofl. Ocguy31 FTL yet again. :laugh:

Nowhere does the teacher claim the student made any threats, nor is there any indication the student was acting in any threating manner. To be very blunt, calling the police and having them bring the student in for questioning is intimidation. The student gave a persuasive speech that the right of citizens to carry concealed weapons should extend to their time on a college campus, its not a brand new idea. The teacher responded by talking to her superiors, and they all decided that he might be a threat because he believed a citizen's right to bear arms did not suddenly vanish when he walks onto a college campus, and your ok with this?

The student should not be submitted to any form of harassment for exercising his right to free speech., should the fact that the student was speaking about a subject where you happen to disagree with him open him up to intimidation tactics?

If you honestly think a prof would report a student for simply talking about a person's right to carry concealed weapons on campus, the best conclusion I can come to is that you believe the prof is severely mentally handicapped in some way (possible but extremely unlikely).

The guy did have a stash of weapons registered under his name, and he was talking about the right to carry concealed weapons on campus, so for all we know the student insinuated he had carried concealed weapons on campus, and if that's illegal to do on campus the prof was justified.

Besides, no one deserves courtesy for carrying concealed weapons into school. Unless it's in your job description as a cop, officer, etc., it's just inane and incredibly dangerous.

By the same token, for all we know, the professor did report him for talking about a subject she disagreed with, and for all we know, he gave no intimation of carrying already on campus.

Hypocrite.

You didn't read carefully. I never claimed I knew either way.

Read what you wrote very carefully, you claimed that if

If you honestly think a prof would report a student for simply talking about a person's right to carry concealed weapons on campus, the best conclusion I can come to is that you believe the prof is severely mentally handicapped in some way (possible but extremely unlikely).

In other words, you say that we must be insane to believe that all he did was give a speech in support of concealed carry on campus. The insinuation is that the student must have done something more to warrant the police questioning. I do not see ANY evidence that the student did any such thing, in either linked report. If there is nothing in the report about any insinuation about illegal activities, can you please tell me why we are insane if we don't make up extra details that are not contained in the articles?

Are you assuming that these reports give ALL the details?? Like every detail?

No, but if you have to invent details to justify the actions of the school, what does that say.

NOW, if he said something threatening, or did in fact insinuate that he was breaking the law, THEN, and ONLY THEN is what the school did justified. However, absent any proof of these things occuring and judging only from the evidence provided, yes what the school did is subject him to harrassment for his expression of his beliefs in a speech class.

 

[Zebo]

I carried concealed all five years at calpoly SLO but I was not stupid enough to write a screed on it knowing how guns are stigmatized.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I would rather any teach err on the side of caution when dealing with anything resembling this current generation of republican-neocon conservatives

How does a persuasive speech regarding concealed carry on campus have any relation to neocons?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Yeah, it was a BAD situation. You can expect lawsuits very soon. I'm sure SCCC will be all over it, though I'm no longer on the board so I don't have the inside scoop.

Lawsuit for what ... wow.. LMAO

Violation of civil rights

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Yeah, it was a BAD situation. You can expect lawsuits very soon. I'm sure SCCC will be all over it, though I'm no longer on the board so I don't have the inside scoop.

Lawsuit for what ... wow.. LMAO

Violation of civil rights

What violation?

The student gave his speech. There was concern among the other students/professor. professor went to ask department head. Department head encouraged contacting authorities. Authorities contacted student in question. No problem was found.

So... where did civil rights get violated?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Yeah, it was a BAD situation. You can expect lawsuits very soon. I'm sure SCCC will be all over it, though I'm no longer on the board so I don't have the inside scoop.

Lawsuit for what ... wow.. LMAO

Violation of civil rights

What violation?

The student gave his speech. There was concern among the other students/professor. professor went to ask department head. Department head encouraged contacting authorities. Authorities contacted student in question. No problem was found.

So... where did civil rights get violated?

Give a speech about the 14th or the 4th and get harrased by authority and you'll begin to undetstand

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Yeah, it was a BAD situation. You can expect lawsuits very soon. I'm sure SCCC will be all over it, though I'm no longer on the board so I don't have the inside scoop.

Lawsuit for what ... wow.. LMAO

Violation of civil rights

What violation?

The student gave his speech. There was concern among the other students/professor. professor went to ask department head. Department head encouraged contacting authorities. Authorities contacted student in question. No problem was found.

So... where did civil rights get violated?

Give a speech about the 14th or the 4th and get harrased by authority and you'll begin to undetstand

Except there was no harassment and no violation of civil liberties.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Yeah, it was a BAD situation. You can expect lawsuits very soon. I'm sure SCCC will be all over it, though I'm no longer on the board so I don't have the inside scoop.

Lawsuit for what ... wow.. LMAO

Violation of civil rights

What violation?

The student gave his speech. There was concern among the other students/professor. professor went to ask department head. Department head encouraged contacting authorities. Authorities contacted student in question. No problem was found.

So... where did civil rights get violated?

Give a speech about the 14th or the 4th and get harrased by authority and you'll begin to undetstand

Except there was no harassment and no violation of civil liberties.

You don't consider being called in to the police station and being questioned about your property harassment?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: Evan
^ rofl. Ocguy31 FTL yet again. :laugh:

Nowhere does the teacher claim the student made any threats, nor is there any indication the student was acting in any threating manner. To be very blunt, calling the police and having them bring the student in for questioning is intimidation. The student gave a persuasive speech that the right of citizens to carry concealed weapons should extend to their time on a college campus, its not a brand new idea. The teacher responded by talking to her superiors, and they all decided that he might be a threat because he believed a citizen's right to bear arms did not suddenly vanish when he walks onto a college campus, and your ok with this?

The student should not be submitted to any form of harassment for exercising his right to free speech.

Or, should the fact that the student was speaking about a subject where you happen to disagree with him open him up to intimidation tactics?

If you honestly think a prof would report a student for simply talking about a person's right to carry concealed weapons on campus, the best conclusion I can come to is that you believe the prof is severely mentally handicapped in some way (possible but extremely unlikely).

The guy did have a stash of weapons registered under his name, and he was talking about the right to carry concealed weapons on campus, so for all we know the student insinuated he had carried concealed weapons on campus, and if that's illegal to do on campus the prof was justified.

Besides, no one deserves courtesy for carrying concealed weapons into school. Unless it's in your job description as a cop, officer, etc., it's just inane and incredibly dangerous.

Fine. Anyone who talks about the illegal use of drugs in a classroom should be searched.

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Yeah, it was a BAD situation. You can expect lawsuits very soon. I'm sure SCCC will be all over it, though I'm no longer on the board so I don't have the inside scoop.

Lawsuit for what ... wow.. LMAO

Violation of civil rights

What violation?

The student gave his speech. There was concern among the other students/professor. professor went to ask department head. Department head encouraged contacting authorities. Authorities contacted student in question. No problem was found.

So... where did civil rights get violated?

Give a speech about the 14th or the 4th and get harrased by authority and you'll begin to undetstand

Except there was no harassment and no violation of civil liberties.

You don't consider being called in to the police station and being questioned about your property harassment?

No, I consider it questioning. Also, why is the professor under heat for this? Blame the police department for doing their job.

 

[Zebo]

Sure there were. Since when did speaking about a right warrant summons from the police?

 

[GenHoth]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Sure there were. Since when did speaking about a right warrant summons from the police?

Seriously

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Sure there were. Since when did speaking about a right warrant summons from the police?

What right to carry a concealed weapon on a college campus?

Also, answer my question. Why is this a case of 'bad professor' not 'bad police?'

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If the student did nothing other than make a case for carrying and did so reasonably his rights were violated as much as if police went around questioning Obama supporters. What's needed is specifics. If he made some crazed presentation then he's up a creek. If not she needs to grow testicles so he can sue them off of her.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash


No, I consider it questioning. Also, why is the professor under heat for this? Blame the police department for doing their job.

rofl

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: daishi5
You don't consider being called in to the police station and being questioned about your property harassment?

He was summoned to the police station and he voluntarily went. He was not placed under arrest nor was he detained. There's no violation of the 4th as they did not search nor seize any of his property. A lawsuit would be thrown out pretty quickly.

Now, if he had turned down the police and the police decided to pursue any claims against him, then he'd have a stronger case.

 

[Zebo]

What right to carry a concealed weapon on a college campus?
2nd amendment to the constitution. And if you don't agree with that he has a 1st amendment right to advocate for such and not to be harrased.

Also, answer my question. Why is this a case of 'bad professor' not 'bad police?'
Professor is just a stupid insular idiot like most are, police are idiots too and will pay.

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: daishi5
You don't consider being called in to the police station and being questioned about your property harassment?

He was summoned to the police station and he voluntarily went. He was not placed under arrest nor was he detained. There's no violation of the 4th as they did not search nor seize any of his property. A lawsuit would be thrown out pretty quickly.

Now, if he had turned down the police and the police decided to pursue any claims against him, then he'd have a stronger case.

Was posting this same thing.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: daishi5
You don't consider being called in to the police station and being questioned about your property harassment?

He was summoned to the police station and he voluntarily went. He was not placed under arrest nor was he detained. There's no violation of the 4th as they did not search nor seize any of his property. A lawsuit would be thrown out pretty quickly.

Now, if he had turned down the police and the police decided to pursue any claims against him, then he'd have a stronger case.

Was posting this same thing.

Ok, you would be ok with being summoned into the police station and being questioned about illegal activities if they were informed you voted for President Obama?

I just want to be very clear, you think it is ok for the police to summon someone and ask them question just because they expressed a viewpoint?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: Zebo
Sure there were. Since when did speaking about a right warrant summons from the police?

What right to carry a concealed weapon on a college campus?

Also, answer my question. Why is this a case of 'bad professor' not 'bad police?'

Well, not to split hairs, but it actually IS a defensible position in some cases...some states and college explicitly allow it, some just don't prevent it, and in certain others there is serious question as to rather it is legal to restrict it (generally on pre-empton grounds). I don't really want to get into that debate, but you can't just dismiss it as a right out of hand.