I can't believe an Army Reserve member tried this BS!

[T2T III]

considering that our military is so effective due to the amount of resources we put into it, i'll talk as much as I wish to. Afterall, I'm paying for it (and more than 99% of the population). You should keep your comments to yourself.

Have you ever lived on a military salary? Yes, great amounts of money gets supplied to defense in general. However, most military personnel get paid less than school teachers - and we all know how bad the pay is for school teachers. 🙁

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: wje

we're ALL in on this, thats why i think its really stupid when people say they [just any military person] deserve more respect. SOMEONE has gotta be the bread winner in all this, not to mention that a lot of people join the army or what not to get a free ride in college, and/or other benefits, not because they really care more about this country than someone else.

My comment had nothing to do with civilians. I was simply trying to make a point that you can't single out any particular specialty in the military as being "superior." Each person in the military has their own area that they specialize in - whether it is in a direct combat role, or a support role. Again, I will state that equal recognition has to be given to ALL members of the armed forces.

I will agree with you there, but not with your 'refrain from making comments...'

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: wje
Again, I'll state that unless people have served in the military, they should refrain from making comments. 😉

So, in your opinion, this thread should never have been started, unless DeathbyAnts is a veteran? You can't tell people not to talk about the army unless they've experienced any more than you can tell people not to talk about sex until they've done it.

I'm fine with the originator of the thread. However, some of the comments made by non-military posters have been totally silly. That's why I've stated that one should refrain from commenting unless they've served in the military.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: wje

considering that our military is so effective due to the amount of resources we put into it, i'll talk as much as I wish to. Afterall, I'm paying for it (and more than 99% of the population). You should keep your comments to yourself.

Have you ever lived on a military salary? Yes, great amounts of money gets supplied to defense in general. However, most military personnel get paid less than school teachers - and we all know how bad the pay is for school teachers. 🙁

I'm simply stating that we need each other (civilians and military) and good, decent, contributing citizens of this country DO HAVE EVERY RIGHT to voice their opinions, regardless if they have served or not.

Bill Gates has done much more for our military than you ever have [extreme example].

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: wje

a lot of people join the army or what not to get a free ride in college

There is no *free ride* for college in the Army - unless you get into an academy. College plans require some form of contribution by the member of the armed forces and then the military provides matching funds. Plus, once the person separates from the military, one big check is not handed over to them for the purpose of going to college. The individual needs to request funds from the "account" on a timed basis. Plus, the funds have a limited period of use and must be used up within 10 years of separation from the military.

Again, I'll state that unless people have served in the military, they should refrain from making comments. 😉

considering that our military is so effective due to the amount of resources we put into it, i'll talk as much as I wish to. Afterall, I'm paying for it (and more than 99% of the population). You should keep your comments to yourself. 😉

SherEPunjab, if

I'm paying for it (and more than 99% of the population). You should keep your comments to yourself.

, why are you doing so since one of the fundamental reasons of the US is Freedom Of Speech? 😕

Because he was implying ME, PERSONALLY.

thats why.

Call me stupid but how was he implying you personally? 😕

 

[T2T III]

I will agree with you there, but not with your 'refrain from making comments...'

Yeah, but the comments made have silly. People should not make comments unless they have personally served in the military to see what it's like. 😉

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: wje

a lot of people join the army or what not to get a free ride in college

There is no *free ride* for college in the Army - unless you get into an academy. College plans require some form of contribution by the member of the armed forces and then the military provides matching funds. Plus, once the person separates from the military, one big check is not handed over to them for the purpose of going to college. The individual needs to request funds from the "account" on a timed basis. Plus, the funds have a limited period of use and must be used up within 10 years of separation from the military.

Again, I'll state that unless people have served in the military, they should refrain from making comments. 😉

considering that our military is so effective due to the amount of resources we put into it, i'll talk as much as I wish to. Afterall, I'm paying for it (and more than 99% of the population). You should keep your comments to yourself. 😉

SherEPunjab, if

I'm paying for it (and more than 99% of the population). You should keep your comments to yourself.

, why are you doing so since one of the fundamental reasons of the US is Freedom Of Speech? 😕

Because he was implying ME, PERSONALLY.

thats why.

Call me stupid but how was he implying you personally? 😕

stupid little wink.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: wje

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: wje
Again, I'll state that unless people have served in the military, they should refrain from making comments. 😉

So, in your opinion, this thread should never have been started, unless DeathbyAnts is a veteran? You can't tell people not to talk about the army unless they've experienced any more than you can tell people not to talk about sex until they've done it.

I'm fine with the originator of the thread. However, some of the comments made by non-military posters have been totally silly. That's why I've stated that one should refrain from commenting unless they've served in the military.

I don't think you should comment on what those people say until you've lived a day in thier shoes. Fair enough?

You can disagree w/ someone, but you can't just tell them they're not allowed to discuss a certain topic.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: wje

I will agree with you there, but not with your 'refrain from making comments...'

Yeah, but the comments made have silly. People should not make comments unless they have personally served in the military to see what it's like. 😉

But people on ATOT comment about how great going to war with Iraq will be for the world, yet they have never been to one. Are you equally vocal with them?

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: wje

a lot of people join the army or what not to get a free ride in college

There is no *free ride* for college in the Army - unless you get into an academy. College plans require some form of contribution by the member of the armed forces and then the military provides matching funds. Plus, once the person separates from the military, one big check is not handed over to them for the purpose of going to college. The individual needs to request funds from the "account" on a timed basis. Plus, the funds have a limited period of use and must be used up within 10 years of separation from the military.

Again, I'll state that unless people have served in the military, they should refrain from making comments. 😉

considering that our military is so effective due to the amount of resources we put into it, i'll talk as much as I wish to. Afterall, I'm paying for it (and more than 99% of the population). You should keep your comments to yourself. 😉

SherEPunjab, if

I'm paying for it (and more than 99% of the population). You should keep your comments to yourself.

, why are you doing so since one of the fundamental reasons of the US is Freedom Of Speech? 😕

Because he was implying ME, PERSONALLY.

thats why.

Call me stupid but how was he implying you personally? 😕

stupid little wink.

 

[T2T III]

I don't think you should comment on what those people say until you've lived a day in thier shoes. Fair enough?

Yes, shoes or boots would be fine. Being in the miltary is like a love/hate reationship. Considering all the time that I had to work, I made about $2.00 per hour. However, I did have a lot of pride in what I was doing - which made up for the lack of pay.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: wje

a lot of people join the army or what not to get a free ride in college

There is no *free ride* for college in the Army - unless you get into an academy. College plans require some form of contribution by the member of the armed forces and then the military provides matching funds. Plus, once the person separates from the military, one big check is not handed over to them for the purpose of going to college. The individual needs to request funds from the "account" on a timed basis. Plus, the funds have a limited period of use and must be used up within 10 years of separation from the military.

Again, I'll state that unless people have served in the military, they should refrain from making comments. 😉

considering that our military is so effective due to the amount of resources we put into it, i'll talk as much as I wish to. Afterall, I'm paying for it (and more than 99% of the population). You should keep your comments to yourself. 😉

SherEPunjab, if

I'm paying for it (and more than 99% of the population). You should keep your comments to yourself.

, why are you doing so since one of the fundamental reasons of the US is Freedom Of Speech? 😕

Because he was implying ME, PERSONALLY.

thats why.

Call me stupid but how was he implying you personally? 😕

stupid little wink.

Anything more to add Zim Hussain?

 

[Bushwicktrini]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: wje

a lot of people join the army or what not to get a free ride in college

There is no *free ride* for college in the Army - unless you get into an academy. College plans require some form of contribution by the member of the armed forces and then the military provides matching funds. Plus, once the person separates from the military, one big check is not handed over to them for the purpose of going to college. The individual needs to request funds from the "account" on a timed basis. Plus, the funds have a limited period of use and must be used up within 10 years of separation from the military.

Again, I'll state that unless people have served in the military, they should refrain from making comments. 😉

considering that our military is so effective due to the amount of resources we put into it, i'll talk as much as I wish to. Afterall, I'm paying for it (and more than 99% of the population). You should keep your comments to yourself. 😉

So are they as your pay in the armed forces is taxed so your not the only one "paying for it".:disgust: and no matter how much money you spend if the people are not worth a damn then your military won't be worth a damn. So unless you want to leave your high paying job and you wife, kids and friends to go sleep in a tent or on a boat for six months or more for less then minimum wage you really should keep your comments to yourself.:|

US NAVY 1993-1997

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Bushwicktrini

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: wje

a lot of people join the army or what not to get a free ride in college

There is no *free ride* for college in the Army - unless you get into an academy. College plans require some form of contribution by the member of the armed forces and then the military provides matching funds. Plus, once the person separates from the military, one big check is not handed over to them for the purpose of going to college. The individual needs to request funds from the "account" on a timed basis. Plus, the funds have a limited period of use and must be used up within 10 years of separation from the military.

Again, I'll state that unless people have served in the military, they should refrain from making comments. 😉

considering that our military is so effective due to the amount of resources we put into it, i'll talk as much as I wish to. Afterall, I'm paying for it (and more than 99% of the population). You should keep your comments to yourself. 😉

So are they as your pay in the armed forces is taxed so your not the only one "paying for it".:disgust: and no matter how much money you spend if the people are not worth a damn then your military won't be worth a damn. So unless you want to leave your high paying job and you wife, kids and friends to go sleep in a tent or on a boat for six months or more for less then minimum wage you really should keep your comments to yourself.:|

US NAVY 1993-1997

Idiot, listen up.

I never said it was only for us. Scroll up. Yeah, you know, roll your little mouse wheel 'UP'. Okay, good. Now read.

I said it was joint effort. its teamwork buddy. And this is a democracy, i have every right to talk, and i only said that to justify my position.

Got it?

 

[T2T III]

So are they as your pay in the armed forces is taxed so your not the only one "paying for it". and no matter how much money you spend if the people are not worth a damn then your military won't be worth a damn. So unless you want to leave your high paying job and you wife, kids and friends to go sleep in a tent or on a boat for six months or more for less then minimum wage you really should keep your comments to yourself.

US NAVY 1993-1997

I've read about some pretty horrible financial hardships that familes have encountered when a husband or wife is activated for military duty. Most families in this situation are dramatically effected by the severe drop in pay. Fortunately, some corporations pay for the "gap" between one's military income and the salary one was making while working for a company.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: wje

So are they as your pay in the armed forces is taxed so your not the only one "paying for it". and no matter how much money you spend if the people are not worth a damn then your military won't be worth a damn. So unless you want to leave your high paying job and you wife, kids and friends to go sleep in a tent or on a boat for six months or more for less then minimum wage you really should keep your comments to yourself.

US NAVY 1993-1997

I've read about some pretty horrible financial hardships that familes have encountered when a higher income earning husband is activated for military duty. Most families in this situation are dramatically effected by the severe drop in pay. Fortunately, some corporations pay for the "gap" between one's military income and the salary one was making while working for a company.

isn't it a law to pay for that 'gap?'

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: wje

So are they as your pay in the armed forces is taxed so your not the only one "paying for it". and no matter how much money you spend if the people are not worth a damn then your military won't be worth a damn. So unless you want to leave your high paying job and you wife, kids and friends to go sleep in a tent or on a boat for six months or more for less then minimum wage you really should keep your comments to yourself.

US NAVY 1993-1997

I've read about some pretty horrible financial hardships that familes have encountered when a higher income earning husband is activated for military duty. Most families in this situation are dramatically effected by the severe drop in pay. Fortunately, some corporations pay for the "gap" between one's military income and the salary one was making while working for a company.

isn't it a law to pay for that 'gap?'

There is not currently a law for "gap" pay. Some companies provide the pay as a benefit. See the following:

And typically, when troops are deployed, relatively few employers provide them with "gap pay" to make up the difference between their military and civilian salary. Since Sept. 11, more employers are adding this benefit.

Source: Reserve Activation

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: wje

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: wje

So are they as your pay in the armed forces is taxed so your not the only one "paying for it". and no matter how much money you spend if the people are not worth a damn then your military won't be worth a damn. So unless you want to leave your high paying job and you wife, kids and friends to go sleep in a tent or on a boat for six months or more for less then minimum wage you really should keep your comments to yourself.

US NAVY 1993-1997

I've read about some pretty horrible financial hardships that familes have encountered when a higher income earning husband is activated for military duty. Most families in this situation are dramatically effected by the severe drop in pay. Fortunately, some corporations pay for the "gap" between one's military income and the salary one was making while working for a company.

isn't it a law to pay for that 'gap?'

There is not currently a law for "gap" pay. Some companies provide the pay as a benefit. See the following:

And typically, when troops are deployed, relatively few employers provide them with "gap pay" to make up the difference between their military and civilian salary. Since Sept. 11, more employers are adding this benefit.

Source: Reserve Activation

As a business owner, I think they should pay it. Its not fair that they go and fight for us, and they aren't paid. Business costs will go up, but thats a price we business owners should pay IMHO.

 

[LSUfan]

Pay is not that bad in the military. Yes you get a teachers salary. But dont forget. Free Housing, Medical,Dental,and meals. (as crappy as they might be). There are some a55 holes in the military. In fact a lot of em. I kind of enjoy hearing people post their opinions. If you dont like it dont listen. But on the other hand just remember they are what's defending your freedom.

US Active Army 1988-1992
US Army Reserves 1992-Present

 

[LSUfan]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: wje

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: wje

So are they as your pay in the armed forces is taxed so your not the only one "paying for it". and no matter how much money you spend if the people are not worth a damn then your military won't be worth a damn. So unless you want to leave your high paying job and you wife, kids and friends to go sleep in a tent or on a boat for six months or more for less then minimum wage you really should keep your comments to yourself. US NAVY 1993-1997

I've read about some pretty horrible financial hardships that familes have encountered when a higher income earning husband is activated for military duty. Most families in this situation are dramatically effected by the severe drop in pay. Fortunately, some corporations pay for the "gap" between one's military income and the salary one was making while working for a company.

isn't it a law to pay for that 'gap?'

There is not currently a law for "gap" pay. Some companies provide the pay as a benefit. See the following:

And typically, when troops are deployed, relatively few employers provide them with "gap pay" to make up the difference between their military and civilian salary. Since Sept. 11, more employers are adding this benefit.

Source: Reserve Activation

As a business owner, I think they should pay it. Its not fair that they go and fight for us, and they aren't paid. Business costs will go up, but thats a price we business owners should pay IMHO.

We have to have insurance to make up the difference. It does not cost that much.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: LSUfan
Pay is not that bad in the military. Yes you get a teachers salary. But dont forget. Free Housing, Medical,Dental,and meals. (as crappy as they might be). There are some a55 holes in the military. In fact a lot of em. I kind of enjoy hearing people post their opinions. If you dont like it dont listen. But on the other hand just remember they are what's defending your freedom.

US Active Army 1988-1992
US Army Reserves 1992-Present

Free housing is not always available. Sure, BAS is available and subsidies are also provided, but it could still fall short of the rent amounts for a particular area. For example, we had some active duty military friends in our neighborhood and their rent was $1,750 + utilities. I doubt that the military picked up the entire bill. There's also BAS - but, again, unless you leave on or very near a base, you will pay more for your food than the military pays you.

I've also "been there, done that" -

U.S. Air Force Active Duty: 1982-1986
U.S. Air Force / Air National Guard: 1986 - 1990

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: LSUfan

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: wje

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: wje

So are they as your pay in the armed forces is taxed so your not the only one "paying for it". and no matter how much money you spend if the people are not worth a damn then your military won't be worth a damn. So unless you want to leave your high paying job and you wife, kids and friends to go sleep in a tent or on a boat for six months or more for less then minimum wage you really should keep your comments to yourself. US NAVY 1993-1997

I've read about some pretty horrible financial hardships that familes have encountered when a higher income earning husband is activated for military duty. Most families in this situation are dramatically effected by the severe drop in pay. Fortunately, some corporations pay for the "gap" between one's military income and the salary one was making while working for a company.

isn't it a law to pay for that 'gap?'

There is not currently a law for "gap" pay. Some companies provide the pay as a benefit. See the following:

And typically, when troops are deployed, relatively few employers provide them with "gap pay" to make up the difference between their military and civilian salary. Since Sept. 11, more employers are adding this benefit.

Source: Reserve Activation

As a business owner, I think they should pay it. Its not fair that they go and fight for us, and they aren't paid. Business costs will go up, but thats a price we business owners should pay IMHO.

We have to have insurance to make up the difference. It does not cost that much.

yeah you guys get that kick a55 insurance.. whats that called forgot. and you do get a lot of benefits. i didn't account for that. teachers don't get jack when you really think about it then.

 

[T2T III]

yeah you guys get that kick a55 insurance.. whats that called forgot. and you do get a lot of benefits. i didn't account for that. teachers don't get jack when you really think about it then.

In 1982, I received a "net" monthly income of $600. I lived in the dormitory, but the $600 had to cover all my expenses - including food, automobile, insurance, uniforms, etc. Only the bed and electricity were free. Additionally, interest rates were nuts back then - I paid about 15% interest on a car loan that I had.

When I separated from the military and started working for a corporation, my monthly medical premium for a "single" individual was only $4.95. Now, a similar medical insurance plan runs $280.

Additionally, military doctors are O.K. - but, they're not always the greatest. I prefer being a civilian and having the opportunity to pick my medical providers.

 

[Bushwicktrini]

Idiot, listen up.

I never said it was only for us. Scroll up. Yeah, you know, roll your little mouse wheel 'UP'. Okay, good. Now read.

I said it was joint effort. its teamwork buddy. And this is a democracy, i have every right to talk, and i only said that to justify my position.

Got it?

I was only commenting on the 2:00am post which is why I used the quote button. I did read what you wrote before that post but it was that post that I was replying to. As for your other post after that one I'm at work so I can't keep checking ATOT to see what has been updated 14 min took place between the time I saw your post and the time I replied to it. As a result I will refrain from responding to you calling me an Idiot ok dummy?

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Bushwicktrini

Idiot, listen up.

I never said it was only for us. Scroll up. Yeah, you know, roll your little mouse wheel 'UP'. Okay, good. Now read.

I said it was joint effort. its teamwork buddy. And this is a democracy, i have every right to talk, and i only said that to justify my position.

Got it?

I was only commenting on the 2:00am post which is why I used the quote button. I did read what you wrote before that post but it was that post that I was replying to. As for your other post after that one I'm at work so I can't keep checking ATOT to see what has been updated 14 min took place between the time I saw your post and the time I replied to it. As a result I will refrain from responding to you calling me an Idiot ok dummy?

sorry for calling you an idiot. i have a short temper sometimes. but please also read all my posts before you make comments. i purposely chop up posts because none of us here like to read long posts.