I bought some synthetic urine for a pre-employment drug test, but I'm kind of afraid

[TheVrolok]

common sense?

You may think that if you're being willfully ignorant.

 

[bobdole369]

The reason people have such strong opinions on marijuana and drug tests is because it seems marijuana users are unfairly singled out.

THC is fat soluble. Alcohol, cocaine, meth, opiates, etc, etc are all not fat soluble. That means someone can light themselves up on Friday night, and be clean for a test on Monday.

I'm sure even people like Malak can agree that all of those drugs are much worse than marijuana. So why do we single marijuana users out, when they are the least of our worries overall?

Fortunately, people that are using those other drugs tend to be flakes.

It just shouldn't matter what I do on my own time. Who fucking cares if I come home and smoke a bowl? I'm at work early, I leave late and I do my job above and beyond expectations if required.

That is all that matters. If someone is willing to deny me employment simply because I come home and relax to a bowl, then I don't want to work for them anyway. It really is fundamentally no different than the millions of people that go out to a bar every night after work. It is hypocrisy at it's finest, and it is disgusting.

Preach on brother Eli, preach on.
/choir

 

[Eli]

The idea that you apparently truly believe that illicit drug use outside the workplace has no bearing on your potential conduct inside the workplace demonstrates either willful ignorance or simple naivete.

The relative harmlessness of marijuana has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. It's a controlled substance, and from that perspective, it's just as illegal as using cocaine or meth.

Black and white drug laws are fail. Alcohol is probably the worst drug on the planet from a damage to society standpoint. It kills thousands of people a year. Where is the outrage over ethanol?

The idea that you apparently truly believe that illicit drug use outside of the work place DOES have a bearing on your potential conduct inside the workplace demonstrates either willful ignorance or simple naivete.

It doesn't matter! It is nobodys business what I do at home. All that matters is that I do my job as expected. If I don't, fire me at the drop of a hat. That's the way it should be.

 

[Murloc]

yes submit to your corporate paymasters. bow down boy. Shine my shoes real good to wont ya? Get yo' shine box boy and after that get out their in them field and clean up them cow pies.

that's how you answer to stuff you can't answer to?

dd

if your country doesn't allow medical use, then it doesn't make any difference if you smoke it for medical reasons or not.
You think it's right, but maybe other people think that it's not right to use it for medical uses.
If the majority of people thinks it's not right, they democratically decide to ban it.
If your opinion is different, this doesn't entitle you to fake tests.

 

[WelshBloke]

Thus the piss test....
who are you to make claims of invasion of privacy??
Your privacy ends when it concerns the safety of others.....

If they had an alcohol test that could detect the use of alcohol up to 30 days after usage would it be fair to sack somebody for 'safety issues' 25 days after they had had a drink?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

The idea that you apparently truly believe that illicit drug use outside the workplace has no bearing on your potential conduct inside the workplace demonstrates either willful ignorance or simple naivete.

What bearing does the "illicit" factor have to do with any of it?

The relative harmlessness of marijuana has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. It's a controlled substance, and from that perspective, it's just as illegal as using cocaine or meth.

your defending it as being harmless. I never said that. But what I did say is they can't test for hard narcotics other than MJ after 24-72 hours.

dd

 

[TheVrolok]

If they had an alcohol test that could detect the use of alcohol up to 30 days after usage would it be fair to sack somebody for 'safety issues' 25 days after they had had a drink?

What seems to be confusing many of the people on your side of the argument is that alcohol usage is NOT illegal, and marijuana usage IS illegal. This is not an argument of whether or not it SHOULD be illegal (I tend to think it shouldn't be), but currently IT IS and therefore it is a fundamentally different than "testing" for alcohol.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

You may think that if you're being willfully ignorant.

1) the test is bogus. Only establishes the use of MJ in the last 30 days of a CHRONIC user or someone who just ingested MJ
2) Harder Narcotics will not show up in piss test after 24-72 hours
3) Ignores legal substances.(alcohol, etc)
4) the test is EASILY CHEATED(Any fool with $100 even the guy on Reddit can do it)

so all it does is waste everyones time and and money.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

It doesn't matter! It is nobodys business what I do at home. All that matters is that I do my job as expected. If I don't, fire me at the drop of a hat. That's the way it should be.

This. Exactly This.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

What seems to be confusing many of the people on your side of the argument is that alcohol usage is NOT illegal, and marijuana usage IS illegal. This is not an argument of whether or not it SHOULD be illegal (I tend to think it shouldn't be), but currently IT IS and therefore it is a fundamentally different than "testing" for alcohol.

In many states it is perfectly legal for medicinal use. Get with the times

 

[Eli]

What seems to be confusing many of the people on your side of the argument is that alcohol usage is NOT illegal, and marijuana usage IS illegal. This is not an argument of whether or not it SHOULD be illegal (I tend to think it shouldn't be), but currently IT IS and therefore it is a fundamentally different than "testing" for alcohol.

Alcohol was illegal for a short time.

You should read up on what a colossal failure it was. It takes a true idiot to not make the connections between alcohol prohibition, the reason it was repealed, and what is currently happening with every other illegal drug.

You want to stop drug use? Educate people. You want to stop drug manufacture from being an underground activity? Make it legal, make it easy to get, make it safe.

The thing that people fail to understand is that someone who wants to use drugs is going to use drugs. In my opinion, it is their right as a human being. Nothing is going to change this. The only way to take the power away from criminals is to make it legal.

The only way to make people not want to use drugs is to educate them.

Edit: For what it's worth, some of you should realize that it took a constitutional amendment to make alcohol illegal. You should look into how the feds were able to make marijuana illegal without requiring a constitutional amendment. The level of corruption this took should make even the hardest drug opponent stop and think.

 

[TheVrolok]

1) the test is bogus. Only establishes the use of MJ in the last 30 days of a CHRONIC user or someone who just ingested MJ
2) Harder Narcotics will not show up in piss test after 24-72 hours
3) Ignores legal substances.(alcohol, etc)
4) the test is EASILY CHEATED(Any fool with $100 even the guy on Reddit can do it)

so all it does is waste everyones time and and money.

Clearly you're missing the point.

1) Why is it bogus? It is to determine whether or not MJ has been used, what bearing does being a chronic (or not) user have on it? If it has detected a positive MJ user, it has done its job and is therefore completely valid.
2) So what? The test may not discover users of other drugs as well as it does MJ, but how does that belittle its usage of discovering MJ users? It's still completely valid.
3) So what if it ignores illegal substances? The test is for ILLEGAL substances (you know, ones that are ILLEGAL). Again, completely irrelevant.
4) Just because you can cheat, does not making something invalid. Are you trying to imply that any test that can be cheated is invalid? Really? Not to mention, many of those "fake urines" will be caught. Also, improper administration of the test can result in a lot of these "cheats" which is a failure of the administration, not the test in and of itself.

 

[TheVrolok]

In many states it is perfectly legal for medicinal use. Get with the times

I'm very well aware of this fact. Do you honestly believe that an employer is going to have a zero-tolerance MJ policy for someone who is taking medically necessary MJ? Please, show me some examples of that. Otherwise, I smell lawsuit, and it smells like dope.

Alcohol was illegal for a short time.

You should read up on what a colossal failure it was. It takes a true idiot to not make the connections between alcohol prohibition, the reason it was repealed, and what is currently happening with every other illegal drug.

You want to stop drug use? Educate people. You want to stop drug manufacture from being an underground activity? Make it legal, make it easy to get, make it safe.

The thing that people fail to understand is that someone who wants to use drugs is going to use drugs. In my opinion, it is their right as a human being. Nothing is going to change this. The only way to take the power away from criminals is to make it legal.

The only way to make people not want to use drugs is to educate them.

I agree with you 100%. I have never disagreed with anything you have stated here. However, the topic is the piss test, not the legalization of MJ. Those are separate issues which people here are seemingly failing to discriminate. If MJ were legalized, I WOULD have a problem with a piss test for MJ.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Clearly you're missing the point.

1) Why is it bogus? It is to determine whether or not MJ has been used, what bearing does being a chronic (or not) user have on it? If it has detected a positive MJ user, it has done its job and is therefore completely valid.
2) So what? The test may not discover users of other drugs as well as it does MJ, but how does that belittle its usage of discovering MJ users? It's still completely valid.
3) So what if it ignores illegal substances? The test is for ILLEGAL substances (you know, ones that are ILLEGAL). Again, completely irrelevant.
4) Just because you can cheat, does not making something invalid. Are you trying to imply that any test that can be cheated is invalid? Really? Not to mention, many of those "fake urines" will be caught. Also, improper administration of the test can result in a lot of these "cheats" which is a failure of the administration, not the test in and of itself.

Its clear why the test is bogus. All the factors above(not even a complete list) prove how ineffective the test is at accomplishing its intent.

For there to be an effective policy implemented their should be hair, blood and urine sample at hire and then randomly throughout the extent of employment.

 

[rivan]

I was just responding to your commentary. Now you are starting off on a new tangent.

I'm starting on a new tangent?

yes submit to your corporate paymasters. bow down boy. Shine my shoes real good to wont ya?...

talk about indoctrination. Why do you love corporate enslavement so much?

Black and white drug laws are fail. Alcohol is probably the worst drug on the planet from a damage to society standpoint. It kills thousands of people a year. Where is the outrage over ethanol?

I agree with you. I even think MJ shouldn't be illegal. I barely drink, and I don't smoke, but I don't think we should infringe on anyone else's right to do so.

The idea that you apparently truly believe that illicit drug use outside of the work place DOES have a bearing on your potential conduct inside the workplace demonstrates either willful ignorance or simple naivete.

Personal experience shows a trend that way. There have been plenty of exceptions too, of course, but the people I've known over the years... well, the people willing to break the law for a high have more often been the type to lift $10 from the cash drawer or tip jar, rip off a keg, or take that external drive they think noone will notice home.

It doesn't matter! It is nobodys business what I do at home. All that matters is that I do my job as expected. If I don't, fire me at the drop of a hat. That's the way it should be.

I tend to disagree here, only because it's against the law. That's the only reason. And I think the law shouldn't be the way it is, but until it's changed, I just don't see taking a toke here or there being worth risking ANYTHING over.

And frankly, in practice, I really couldn't give a shit what people do (outside OR inside the workplace) as long as they do their job. A guy I used to work with had a terrible alcohol problem; wasn't a danger to anyone but himself and never slacked off while working. Was drunk most days, but still did a fine job.

I don't give a shit, but I think it's well within an employer's rights to give a shit.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I'm very well aware of this fact. Do you honestly believe that an employer is going to have a zero-tolerance MJ policy for someone who is taking medically necessary MJ? Please, show me some examples of that. Otherwise, I smell lawsuit, and it smells like dope.

Who cares what their policy is, medical history isn't their business either

dd

 

[TheVrolok]

Its clear why the test is bogus. All the factors above(not even a complete list) prove how ineffective the test is at accomplishing its intent.

For there to be an effective policy implemented their should be hair, blood and urine sample at hire and then randomly throughout the extent of employment.

It seems that the argument has shifted again. Originally it was that the test was wrong because MJ is totally fine to use and it should be, and it's an invasion of privacy to test .. now it's that the efficacy of the test is potentially low and therefore it is invalid. Hell, you've just suggested a policy that is contrary to your entire earlier argument.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I'm starting on a new tangent?

.

don't recall addressing you with those posts. I can only maintain so many threads at once.

 

[TheVrolok]

dd

Medical history IS their business when it provides you with legal means of using and illegal drug for which there is often employee testing. Aside from that, I would agree. This should be fairly clear to see.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

It seems that the argument has shifted again. Originally it was that the test was wrong because MJ is totally fine to use and it should be
, and it's an invasion of privacy to test .. now it's that the efficacy of the test is potentially low and therefore it is invalid. Hell, you've just suggested a policy that is contrary to your entire earlier argument.

I don't know if you noticed but I've been answering at least 7 different posters in this thread so I'm not necessarily defending the same points on all of them. But feel free to take it all out of context.

 

[rivan]

don't recall addressing you with those posts. I can only maintain so many threads at once.

Those posts are what I was responding to, whether you meant them for me or not. You're ranting against the loss of privacy and corporate enslavement but I'd bet you have a cell phone, and a facebook page. You probably don't block all cookies while web browsing, or always use private sessions.

Like it or not, people judge books by their covers all the time. If that cover has a pot leaf on it, you can bet you're less trusted by those who don't smoke. Just like huge piercings or face tats say something about who you are, so does getting baked.

It's true, not ALL people with skulls tattooed on their faces are ex-cons, and not ALL people who play hacky sack wear patchouli. But you're not surprised to find out they are ex-cons or smell like incense.

 

[halik]

priorities to not let some corporate schmucks tell me what you can or cannot do with your free time? Thats called having a principles.

Are you 16 or something? Teenager angst cliche...

 

[pontifex]

dd

marijuana is illegal, end of story. whether thats right or not is not part of the equation here. if passing a drug test is part of the requirement for being hired then you're shit out of luck if getting high is more important than a job that you NEED.

Again, it's obvious this douchebag in the OP is not using medically, whether it's legal or not.

if its not legal you shouldn't be using it for medicinal purposes. I wouldn't doubt that most of the people who are using it for "medicinal purposes" are full of shit too.

 

[TheVrolok]

I don't know if you noticed but I've been answering at least 7 different posters in this thread so I'm not necessarily defending the same points on all of them. But feel free to take it all out of context.

I'm just responding to your ranting. I didn't realize your argument was different depending on to whom you were directing your posts. Perhaps you should sit down, think about your point again, gather you rant together, and then continue.

 

[silverpig]

marijuana is illegal, end of story. whether thats right or not is not part of the equation here. if passing a drug test is part of the requirement for being hired then you're shit out of luck if getting high is more important than a job that you NEED.

Again, it's obvious this douchebag in the OP is not using medically, whether it's legal or not.

if its not legal you shouldn't be using it for medicinal purposes. I wouldn't doubt that most of the people who are using it for "medicinal purposes" are full of shit too.

Breaking away from Britain wasn't legal either. The government doesn't always know best.