I bought some synthetic urine for a pre-employment drug test, but I'm kind of afraid

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LumbergTech

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the fake piss works just fine, just have faith and follow the directions

then come back and laugh at all the idiots here talking trash
 

alfa147x

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So to be clear anything included in your contract or handbook is fair game. LOL

talk about indoctrination. Why do you love corporate enslavement so much?

I'm confused as to why you're so stupid.

You receive that information BEFORE accepting the job. You CHOOSE to accept employment or reject it.
 

Eli

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The reason people have such strong opinions on marijuana and drug tests is because it seems marijuana users are unfairly singled out.

THC is fat soluble. Alcohol, cocaine, meth, opiates, etc, etc are all not fat soluble. That means someone can light themselves up on Friday night, and be clean for a test on Monday.

I'm sure even people like Malak can agree that all of those drugs are much worse than marijuana. So why do we single marijuana users out, when they are the least of our worries overall?

Fortunately, people that are using those other drugs tend to be flakes.

It just shouldn't matter what I do on my own time. Who fucking cares if I come home and smoke a bowl? I'm at work early, I leave late and I do my job above and beyond expectations if required.

That is all that matters. If someone is willing to deny me employment simply because I come home and relax to a bowl, then I don't want to work for them anyway. It really is fundamentally no different than the millions of people that go out to a bar every night after work. It is hypocrisy at it's finest, and it is disgusting.
 

PingSpike

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This really has nothing to do with the legality of weed or invasion of privacy. No one is forcing you to take a piss test. You agree to it when you interview or accept a job. Is a polygraph an invasion of my privacy? HELL YES. But I agreed to it when I got my clearance.

In my personal opinion, weed should be 100% legal.

BUT IT'S NOT. The fact that this guy is desperate for a job and can't control himself for a few months to pass a piss test? I wouldn't want to hire someone that irresponsible and dumb.

Sorry, but if you need a job you can lay off the pipe during your job hunting. Sounds to me like he really didn't need the job afterall.

Does legality of the substance even matter? Wasn't some hospital openly either not hiring or firing people who smoked awhile back?
 

JEDIYoda

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who r u to judge either way? Being able to perform safely and accurately your contracted job is the companies business. Anything else is not.

Thus the piss test....
who are you to make claims of invasion of privacy??
Your privacy ends when it concerns the safety of others.....
 

IceBergSLiM

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I'm confused as to why you're so stupid.

You receive that information BEFORE accepting the job. You CHOOSE to accept employment or reject it.

I'm fully understanding it. Conceptually its a rather basic concept you are accept and choose to accept out of free will. I don't understand your defense of including irrelevant and invasive items as terms and conditions of employment as being a sane and ethical practice. You are in favior of TSA molestation and invasive body scans too right?
 

rivan

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So to be clear anything included in your contract or handbook is fair game. LOL

talk about indoctrination. Why do you love corporate enslavement so much?

It's just the man, keeping you down. Don't worry, one day you'll grow up and not notice it so much either.

Til then, FIGHT THE POWER!
 

JEDIYoda

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yes submit to your corporate paymasters. bow down boy. Shine my shoes real good to wont ya? Get yo' shine box boy and after that get out their in them field and clean up them cow pies.


Your pretty mouthy for a McDonald`s employee....
 

IceBergSLiM

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Thus the piss test....
who are you to make claims of invasion of privacy??
Your privacy ends when it concerns the safety of others.....

We have already established the piss test doesn't correlate anything to safety or criminality. So your argument is invalid.
 

Eli

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Thus the piss test....
who are you to make claims of invasion of privacy??
Your privacy ends when it concerns the safety of others.....

I think what he's trying to say is that job performance should be in question, not what someone does on their own time.

I agree that safety is a concern, and any job where you are in charge of other peoples' safety, I have no problems with drug tests.

Drug testing for any other reason IS an invasion of privacy. Again, it should not and does not matter what I do on my own time. If you want to fire me, do it because I'm not doing my job satisfactorily. Not because I smoke. Thanks.
 

TheVrolok

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We have already established the piss test doesn't correlate anything to safety or criminality. So your argument is invalid.

How have you done that exactly? Because you said so? I'm not entirely sure your word is positive proof.
 

IceBergSLiM

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It's just the man, keeping you down. Don't worry, one day you'll grow up and not notice it so much either.

Til then, FIGHT THE POWER!

maybe that was in the back in the day old timer but I'm pretty sure most americans, hell most humans, are aware of the vast corruption on wallstreet and washington and everywhere else in between and are quite "bothered" by it.
 

rivan

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I'm fully understanding it. Conceptually its a rather basic concept you are accept and choose to accept out of free will. I don't understand your defense of including irrelevant and invasive items as terms and conditions of employment as being a sane and ethical practice. You are in favior of TSA molestation and invasive body scans too right?

The idea that you apparently truly believe that illicit drug use outside the workplace has no bearing on your potential conduct inside the workplace demonstrates either willful ignorance or simple naivete.

The relative harmlessness of marijuana has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. It's a controlled substance, and from that perspective, it's just as illegal as using cocaine or meth.
 

rivan

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maybe that was in the back in the day old timer but I'm pretty sure most americans, hell most humans, are aware of the vast corruption on wallstreet and washington and everywhere else in between and are quite "bothered" by it.

And tell me, what does that corruption have to do with getting baked on your off time?
 

bobdole369

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So to be clear: any request an employer makes is fine because you're allowed to quit?

This is exactly how it is in Florida (America's Wang has no employment law besides a slightly higher than federal minimum wage). As long as it isn't illegal (discrimination based on a protected characteristic - OSHA violation, etc) - It is fine. Since you don't have any obligation to the company - you are free to quit.

Here is a list of things they are *also* allowed to do besides sample your urine at any time even multiple times per day.

1. Require that you work 24 hours a day non-stop continuously until you pass out. As long as they show that if they noticed you were in danger, that medical help was not restricted.
2. Require that you work lots of overtime, not paying time and a half, and when payday comes, reduce your base rate so that you are making minimum wage.
3. Change your job description at will. So executives now scrub toilets.
4. Take a highly paid executive that was VP of something, then when she is blessed with a child, after maternity leave, put her back to work making minimum wage in a physically demanding role in the mailroom.
5. Fire you for any reason, no reason, because you are fat, because you are ugly, because you like the Steelers, but not because you are black or that you blew the whistle on a discrimination complaint.
6. Make you work in a 130 degree sweatshop. (following OSHA guidelines)
7. Fire you because you don't speak spanish.
8. Fire you because you do speak spanish.
9. Require that you not smoke cigarettes anywhere. Fire employees that come in smelling like cigarette smoke.
10. Hold a prayer circle. You aren't required to join in though.
 

bobdole369

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The idea that you apparently truly believe that illicit drug use outside the workplace has no bearing on your potential conduct inside the workplace

The idea that you think that it does have bearing on your conduct inside the workplace is distressing.

Does drinking beer have the same bearing on conduct?
 
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