I am thinking of pleading guilty

Goosemaster

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On my birthday I was late to my party and got stopped and cited for reckless driving on the way.

80 in a 55:(

I am really quite vexed as to what I should do, and I am thinking of pleading guilty.


I do not have a lawyer and getting one would bankrupt me so here is my explanation:


I was going at pace with traffic on 495 North at a speed of about 70-75 with traffic. There is this one left exit (god I hate left exit) that usually makes the fast lane slow down and such so I went around it, accelerating. It turns out that the mustang I passed was a cop, who quickly got into my lane, shot the laser and flashed the lights:( I was in a disspointed state of shock at my idiocy and didn't really tell the cop much except that I was sorry and said yes when he asked me if I understood that I was speeding. I didn't want to lie so I kept my mouth shut and sulked in hsi presense.

basically, I was going to plead not guilty to the judge and attempt to explain that I was indeed quilty of speeding but was in full control of my car and was going only a little faster than traffic to pass the cars on the left. That said, I am starting to rethink this in that it might be futile, but "always plead not guilty, right?"

I am attempting to see if pleading not guilty might hurt me more than help me. My state(virginia) ahs an automatic reckless charge associated with going 20mph over the limit.

I still have to analyze the charge closely with the written law to see if I can find a way out of this.

For reference , I was cahrged with reckless driving a few years ago when I supposedly cut someone off and they lsot control of their car, but there was no contact. These two cars had been blockign me in for over a mile and I jsut wanted to get away from them as it was dangerous (they kept slowing down and speeding up and such). I frankly think they weren't paying attention when I changed into their lane (turn signal was used and everything) and were just bad drivers that got spooked. They also lied in court, or didn't actually pay attention to what happened and told the judge false information. I even informed the judge about this, questioning their testimony during the trial. I gave a rather lackluster performance as I was nervous as hell, so I got left with a charge of "improper driving." I was going with the flow of traffic in this case so it was not speeding related. In fact I was going around 49 in a 45.

In addition, about a year before that I was charged with reckless driving for going 55 in a 35mph industrial area. people usually go much faster so I got confident and unfortunately didn't see the cop. I realized I was in the wrong and plead not quilty and the judge let it go under the condition that I take a driving test, which I did.

Bah..this is getting too long, I am sleepy as hell, and I am starting to ramble...

This is what I was planning on saying, altought it is quick unspecific as I ahve written it here.

Basically, I was thinking about pleading not guilty and telling the judge that I do acknowledge that I was speeding and feel remourseful about it but do not feel that the charge of reckless driving was approiate. I was for the most part going with traffic until I decided to quickly pass some cars before and during the portion of the road where this exit is. I was in complete control of vehicle which I unfortuantely cannot prove. I drive 100s if not thousands of miles a week, a barring a couple of incidents, have a decent driving record. I have helped out numerous stranded drivers, once helped the cops track down a hit and run suspect, and am not by any means a menace on the road. I ALWAYS wear my seatbelt, I ALWAYS use my turn signals, even when other cars aren't on the road, I alsmost always drive with two hands on the steering wheel at 9 amd 3 o'clock, and almost never talk on the phone when I am driving, prefering to stop on the side of the raod to talk. The worst I am guilty of when driving is eating while I go to clients houses.

In addition, I would like to let the judge know that I am not trying to be arrogant.
I use my car for school all week and for work as well. I would be hardpressed to make such a foolish mistake as the one I made on anyday but my birthday. I really respect the Laws of the state of virginia and that is not a lie. I value school and work above all else and try to make sure that I do not jeopardize them in any way..


bah..I am goign to sleep
 

TheLonelyPhoenix

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Plead guilty. Don't throw any sob stories at the judge. Make sure he knows that its your first offense (if it is your first offense, that is), and ask him to reduce it so its not reckless anymore for the sake of your insurance. He'll probably understand, given the situation you were in.

Edit: I read more carefully, apparently this is not your first offense. :confused:

Good luck, and be prepared to grovel.
 

Goosemaster

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Either way, my birthday party sucked....

Me, my dad, and hsi two borthers shared a hen and some potatoes....no cake or anything:(

make no mistake, I enjoyed theri company and such, and in the end, I was really sad about what happened and really bummed out everybody
 

chrisms

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Either way, my birthday party sucked....

Me, my dad, and hsi two borthers shared a hen and some potatoes....no cake or anything:(

Do you live in Alabama?
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: chrisms
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Either way, my birthday party sucked....

Me, my dad, and hsi two borthers shared a hen and some potatoes....no cake or anything:(

Do you live in Alabama?

Virgina.....

It was a whole chicken we bought at a Peruvian place...nothing special
 

QuitBanningMe

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Talk to the prosecutor and try to work out something.

I was thinking of doing that.
Don't know how it works there but here you would get a chance to do that on court day to speed things up. Most agree to a no contest plea and reduced punishment.

Just don't plead not guilty.
 

chrisms

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: chrisms
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Either way, my birthday party sucked....

Me, my dad, and hsi two borthers shared a hen and some potatoes....no cake or anything:(

Do you live in Alabama?

Virgina.....

It was a whole chicken we bought at a Peruvian place...nothing special


And you guys just pass around the hens? What's wrong with women?
 

TheLonelyPhoenix

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Oh yeah, if you admit to speeding, then you plead guilty. Pleading "not guilty" will get you nowhere but will certainly aggravate the judge.

If it was a smaller offense (less than 10 mph over the limit), you could probably plead not guilty and explain that you were passing someone at the time. But 25 mph over? Not happening.

You can, however, probably overturn the reckless charge if you were RIGHT AT 80 mph per hour (within the margin of error of your speedometer and the cop's radar gun).
 

Vilica

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When I got charged with reckless (82 in a 65) on 295 in Virginia, I managed to oversleep my court date, and I just paid the 240$ fine and took the points. I'm not aware of anything else that they did, but I'm pretty sure I'm still legal to drive.
 

SilentZero

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Well I experienced this first hand so will give you the best advice I can. GET A LAWYER!

When I was 18 I was charged with a Reckless Driving, speeding ticket (15 miles over the limit), fleeing the scene of an accident, and crossing a double solid line. When I got off the highway 4 state trooper cars and a helicopter were waiting for me, and a few came later. The reckless driving is the worst because it is a misdemeanor, but the fact I had a bunch of other tickets to go along with it just deepened my problems. I went to a lawyer which I paid $500 to go to court with me. He went into the DA's office, and came out with all the charges dropped and all I had to accept was court costs and the charge of running a stop sign (which there wasn't even one there). That was by far the best $500 I have ever spent in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. I can't stress the difference it makes. Incidently, I saved god knows how much money on my insurance premiums, because if I had a reckless driving verdict on my license my insurance would have skyrocketed, not even counting those other charges.

The good thing about having a lawyer in traffic court that I have noticed is that you circumvent the judge in some aspects. My lawyer talks to the DA and gets a deal, the judge then discussed it with me and I was finished. I was ticketed just a few months ago for speeding and decided to plead my case, and of course I lost and had to pay. So in your case, a lawyer would be the best option, because $500 compared to all the money that ticket will cause is worth it any day of the week! Just my .02

Oh and btw... I was essentially guilty of these things minus the leaving the scene of an accident, but there were witnesses who said I did, so I was pretty much screwed. Just because your guilty doesn't mean you should just plead guilty and take the penalty. Let a lawyer worry about it.
 

skace

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I paid for my fine without going to court for an 84 in a 55. Sucks that you have to do otherwise.
 

DurocShark

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You pissed that cop off by going around him.

I had a cop chase me down I-15. I was doing 115 in my 84 GTI. He said he was doing 130 to catch me.

We had a good laugh and he wrote me a ticket for doing 85 in a 75. :D
 

Fritzo

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You broke the traffic laws. Guilty. Pay the ticket and stop clogging up the court system :roll: