I am so Tired of Microsoft's B.S.

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: dwell
Google will hand Microsoft their ass. There is no chance they can take on Google. None.

I should quote that and read it back to you when they do. Searching/indexing has never been a focus for MS, look at Index Server. It was just a "value-add" like many of their products; they offer a solution but there are better alternatives. If they DO make this their focus, they will almost certainly top Google. In the end it comes down to resources, of which MS has ostensibly infinite.

My tupence.

I agree. Unless google has sold their sold to Lucifer they've done nothing that Microsoft cannot do. Unfortunately for google MS has a great many more dollars and manhours to throw at whatever they like. They can make a better product. And even if their product isn't better, but merely as good or close to as good, they can muscle it into whatever they like.

I don't think MS has tried very hard with searching either. I think I could make a better search engine than what MSDN has. Sure, it would be slow as hell and inefficient, but at least it would work!

LOL, MSDN is HORRIBLE! I use Google to search MSDN 🙂 In the past I wrote my own search engines simply because their solutions were horribly subpar (Index Server). MS has a solution for just about every problem (and solutions for problems their solutions create 🙂) that manifests itself in an enterprise environment, so many of their solutions have functionally analogous and superior third-party alternatives. A great example is Visual Source Safe; I can't stand it, CVS is even better, imo. You can buy a product like SourceGear's Vault (which supports CVS and VSS styles) and be much better off than with VSS. MS has stated in the past that VSS isn't their focus, it's merely a "value-add", but you can be certain that if they decided to make it their focus SourceGear would cease to exist.

 

Originally posted by: Descartes

I should quote that and read it back to you when they do. Searching/indexing has never been a focus for MS, look at Index Server. It was just a "value-add" like many of their products; they offer a solution but there are better alternatives. If they DO make this their focus, they will almost certainly top Google. In the end it comes down to resources, of which MS has ostensibly infinite.

They may match the technology but never the audience. Google is a household word and not to mention a beloved company.

 

[Walleye]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: Descartes

I should quote that and read it back to you when they do. Searching/indexing has never been a focus for MS, look at Index Server. It was just a "value-add" like many of their products; they offer a solution but there are better alternatives. If they DO make this their focus, they will almost certainly top Google. In the end it comes down to resources, of which MS has ostensibly infinite.

They may match the technology but never the audience. Google is a household word and not to mention a beloved company.

i know a lot of people that hate google cause they got unlisted numbers. i love google, cause they got unlisted numbers 😀

 

[StageLeft]

They may match the technology but never the audience. Google is a household word and not to mention a beloved company.

Well obviously microsoft is not hated, or love doesn't mean much, when you consider their market share in browser support - and that was a popular debate. Microsoft won. I don't see why they can't eventually kill google. ANYTHING can happen. Hell maybe google will make an operating system and take out MS!

 

[edmicman]

On the verge of its destruction, Google will become sentient and absorb Microsoft, triggering the end of life as we know it!

 

[deerslayer]

Who cares? If you want to use google, use it. No one is telling you you have to use whatever Microsoft comes up with.

Why go after everything? Take a marketing class. Why not go after everything? If they can make more money by developing more, why wouldn't they?

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Walleye

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: Descartes

I should quote that and read it back to you when they do. Searching/indexing has never been a focus for MS, look at Index Server. It was just a "value-add" like many of their products; they offer a solution but there are better alternatives. If they DO make this their focus, they will almost certainly top Google. In the end it comes down to resources, of which MS has ostensibly infinite.

They may match the technology but never the audience. Google is a household word and not to mention a beloved company.

i know a lot of people that hate google cause they got unlisted numbers. i love google, cause they got unlisted numbers 😀

how do you get unlisted #s on google?

 

[TranSoft]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: dwell
Google will hand Microsoft their ass. There is no chance they can take on Google. None.

I should quote that and read it back to you when they do. Searching/indexing has never been a focus for MS, look at Index Server. It was just a "value-add" like many of their products; they offer a solution but there are better alternatives. If they DO make this their focus, they will almost certainly top Google. In the end it comes down to resources, of which MS has ostensibly infinite.

My tupence.

I agree. Unless google has sold their sold to Lucifer they've done nothing that Microsoft cannot do. Unfortunately for google MS has a great many more dollars and manhours to throw at whatever they like. They can make a better product. And even if their product isn't better, but merely as good or close to as good, they can muscle it into whatever they like.

I don't think MS has tried very hard with searching either. I think I could make a better search engine than what MSDN has. Sure, it would be slow as hell and inefficient, but at least it would work!

LOL, MSDN is HORRIBLE! I use Google to search MSDN 🙂 In the past I wrote my own search engines simply because their solutions were horribly subpar (Index Server). MS has a solution for just about every problem (and solutions for problems their solutions create 🙂) that manifests itself in an enterprise environment, so many of their solutions have functionally analogous and superior third-party alternatives. A great example is Visual Source Safe; I can't stand it, CVS is even better, imo. You can buy a product like SourceGear's Vault (which supports CVS and VSS styles) and be much better off than with VSS. MS has stated in the past that VSS isn't their focus, it's merely a "value-add", but you can be certain that if they decided to make it their focus SourceGear would cease to exist.

yeah, google for msdn.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: SSP
As long as they keep it *fair*, then more power to them.

Therein lies the problem for Microsoft.😉

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: Descartes

I should quote that and read it back to you when they do. Searching/indexing has never been a focus for MS, look at Index Server. It was just a "value-add" like many of their products; they offer a solution but there are better alternatives. If they DO make this their focus, they will almost certainly top Google. In the end it comes down to resources, of which MS has ostensibly infinite.

They may match the technology but never the audience. Google is a household word and not to mention a beloved company.

Agreed, but isn't this the case with anything? You always have loyal audiences, but the masses always move towards the next "best" thing. I imagine that most would simply use MS' engine simply because it's MS. I hope that's not the case, as I believe Google set a solid example of what an online service should be.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

They may match the technology but never the audience. Google is a household word and not to mention a beloved company.

Well obviously microsoft is not hated, or love doesn't mean much, when you consider their market share in browser support - and that was a popular debate. Microsoft won. I don't see why they can't eventually kill google. ANYTHING can happen. Hell maybe google will make an operating system and take out MS!

I'd wouldn't mind seeing that happen 🙂 Google takes more of a purist approach to their technology, and we could certainly have some of those ideals injected into the current industry where the "it works" philosophy prevails over "it works AND it was well done."

In the book How Would You Move Mt. Fuji? they talk about MS' competitive philosophy, how any day a competitor could rise and wipe out their market share. They say this is their motivation to seek out new opportunities, develop new technology, etc. They certainly don't rest on their laurels...

That's a great book, btw, for anyone who's interested in the history of the "puzzle interview", logic puzzles, and a bit of Silicon Valley history.

 

[TravisT]

Personally, i don't care if Microsoft does make a nice search. I use searching engines to find things i'm looking for. If Microsoft makes it and its better, then i'll use it. I don't care who makes it. Google, thus far, has done an awesome job of keeping their site add free, which they don't seem to focus on anything other than their search engine. Which is why they are considered awesome right now. I don't think Microsoft will have an easy time gaining cover on them. Regardless of their name, Google should be able to hold their own in that department, unlike Yahoo (who cares about online chess and other gay games?) or go.com (I don't want the dang news or advertisements, i just want what i'm looking for).

 

[JSang]

Originally posted by: dwell
Google will hand Microsoft their ass. There is no chance they can take on Google. None.

i think ud be suprised at what people with 13 billion a year in free cash flow can do...people will use whatever service is better...and chances are they can make a better search engine.

 

[Huz]

Originally posted by: bob4432
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i mean, why go after everything. browsers, media players, they are like nazis... but no it is not a monopoly

Why not go after everything? If they deliver a better product I'll use it. If they don't, I won't. Who cares as long as it's in the context of a free market economy?

Groupthink, I suppose, has morphed into L33think. Maybe that's it.