I am in need of a sub

[Anubis]

Will be used in a 2.1 system for 90% music, so that should be its primary focus. It will be going in a smallish room so it does not have to be huge. I'm thinking a 10-12 inch

i run a SVS PB12 on the HT and TBH another one of those would prob be overkill. so im looking for other suggestions

would like to keep it in the 500$ range if possible

 

[vshah]

i have a friend who has an HSU vtf-1 that he uses solely for music, it sounds quite nice. i think they go for ~450

 

[Ophir]

If it's going to be mostly for music and doesn't need to go super low, the Epik Legend could fit the bill. Dual opposed sealed 12s. Aside from that, HSU, Outlaw, and obviously SVS also get credit for making musical subs.

If you have an amp and have room, you could look at the CHT 18" passive sealed sub.

Or you could always DIY...

 

[EvilYoda]

This "box" plus this driver plus your choice of plate amps equals a fun time. Totally overkill from the sound of things, but you should be able to keep it well under $500 and it's a great sub. The flat pack is really easy to assemble, with it all being dadoed and lettered in order of assembly.

 

[scootermaster]

The Rythmik FV12 is pretty much universally considered the next "Step up" from the $300ish range (STF-2, M8, A3-350, etc) http://www.rythmikaudio.com/FV12.html.

I know that for me (also 90% music, 2.1 bedroom system) if I wanted to spend more money, that's what I would have purchased (I ended up with an eD A3s-350 sealed sub).

 

[Anubis]

This "box" plus this driver plus your choice of plate amps equals a fun time. Totally overkill from the sound of things, but you should be able to keep it well under $500 and it's a great sub. The flat pack is really easy to assemble, with it all being dadoed and lettered in order of assembly.

not against DIY but that is physically too large at 30 inches tall

 

[frowertr]

If it's going to be mostly for music and doesn't need to go super low, the Epik Legend could fit the bill. Dual opposed sealed 12s. Aside from that, HSU, Outlaw, and obviously SVS also get credit for making musical subs.

If you have an amp and have room, you could look at the CHT 18" passive sealed sub.

Or you could always DIY...

+1.

This is what I have. One helluva a sub for the price. I would have gone for the Empire but my wife told he whatever sub I bought had to fit under an end table in our living room. The Legend just fits under it.

This thing digs deep and very low. I have no problem recommending it to friends when they come over for both music and HT use.

 

[Kaido]

not against DIY but that is physically too large at 30 inches tall

So you want:

1. Not too big (30" too large)
2. $500 range
3. 90% music
4. Smallish room usage

I built a 10" Dayton Titanic MKIII ($349) from a kit a couple years ago and it was pretty good. For music use, the smaller 10" subwoofer drivers are usually recommended. It takes probably 20 minutes to assemble - I wouldn't even really call it DIY so much as "some assembly required" haha. I had it in a 13' x 19' room with 9' ceilings and it was actually way too much bass for the room :biggrin:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-760

Alternatively, if you want to DIY, you can do some really fun stuff. The Bitty-Boom V2 is one that I'm building later this month. It's a 6.5" sub with an 8" passive radiator in a horizontal tube layout (8" Sonotube cut to 14" long). They are made for corner or wall loading, so you can use 1, 2, or 4 if you want. Costs under $100 a pop to make. Here's a picture:

http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/wolf_teeth_speaker/?action=view&current=Bitties1.jpg

Build thread is here:

http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?b=15

 

[Anubis]

So you want:

1. Not too big (30" too large)
2. $500 range
3. 90% music
4. Smallish room usage

I built a 10" Dayton Titanic MKIII ($349) from a kit a couple years ago and it was pretty good. For music use, the smaller 10" subwoofer drivers are usually recommended. It takes probably 20 minutes to assemble - I wouldn't even really call it DIY so much as "some assembly required" haha. I had it in a 13' x 19' room with 9' ceilings and it was actually way too much bass for the room :biggrin:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-760

Alternatively, if you want to DIY, you can do some really fun stuff. The Bitty-Boom V2 is one that I'm building later this month. It's a 6.5" sub with an 8" passive radiator in a horizontal tube layout (8" Sonotube cut to 14" long). They are made for corner or wall loading, so you can use 1, 2, or 4 if you want. Costs under $100 a pop to make. Here's a picture:

http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/wolf_teeth_speaker/?action=view&current=Bitties1.jpg

Build thread is here:

http://techtalk.parts-express.com/blog.php?b=15

yea thats about right on what i want. room is prob 10x15 with 7.5 foot celings BUT the walls are angled. only has about a 2 foot "knee wall" on 2 sides before the angle

 

[vshah]

yea thats about right on what i want. room is prob 10x15 with 7.5 foot celings BUT the walls are angled. only has about a 2 foot "knee wall" on 2 sides before the angle

i remember pics of your desk there, nice looking space...

 

[Kaido]

yea thats about right on what i want. room is prob 10x15 with 7.5 foot celings BUT the walls are angled. only has about a 2 foot "knee wall" on 2 sides before the angle

The Titanic has pretty great output, I was really happy with it.

I'm getting back into the sub scene again, now that I'm out of my apartment (no subs there baaaaah) & I'm building a Sonosub similar to the SVS cylinder models - except mine 40" H x 18" W. I can share the plans for that one if you're interested :biggrin: About $400 in parts + some DIY (cutting circles in MDF, mostly).

 

[Anubis]

yea ill take the plans, doubt id build one anytime soon simply because i have no place to put one, however ive always held the idea that once i have more space i would look into building a sonotube sub. i really kick myself for not getting one of the SVS cylinder models someone was selling years ago for a really good price

 

[Anubis]

i remember pics of your desk there, nice looking space...

yea heres a pic to get the general idea. stuff in there has changed slightly but you get the idea

 

[Fallen Kell]

If it's going to be mostly for music and doesn't need to go super low, the Epik Legend could fit the bill. Dual opposed sealed 12s. Aside from that, HSU, Outlaw, and obviously SVS also get credit for making musical subs.

If you have an amp and have room, you could look at the CHT 18" passive sealed sub.

Or you could always DIY...

I am sorry, SVS and musical typically are not in the same sentence. They do have certain ones that are musical, but their typical application is simply loud, thumping low for movies (i.e. explosions, etc).

Anything larger than a 12 will be too big to be very musical. 10's seem to really be the sweet spot unless you listen to organ music (unless you are using 4 or more which are properly tuned). If you listen to organ music, the only things I can say will do it are servo controlled 15's, but you are talking big money for that.

 

[Howard]

I have an Acoustech H120 that I picked up off eBay for $220. I like it a lot.

At this price point it basically beats out anything you can DIY unless you go for an LLT or a huge tapped horn.

 

[Kaido]

yea heres a pic to get the general idea. stuff in there has changed slightly but you get the idea

The Bitty-Boom V2's were originally designed for stereo sub use, which might work pretty well in your room given the unique layout. You could wall load them in each corner (as designed).

My Sonosub will be about 40" tall, tuned to 20hz with a flared port, with an 18" Sonotube. I'm using a 12" driver ($150) and a 300w amp ($120). Still an investment, but far less expensive than SVS.

I just got my circle jig (Jasper) last night, so I'll probably be doing some slicing over the next week for it. You'll need a tool to make accurate holes - I'm using my buddy's Porter Cable router and a $50 circle jig. I was just going to go the string-and-nail method, but since I'm doing a bunch of cutting, I figured it was worth the investment to get accurate cuts with pre-defined increments & precise, repeatable sizes.. Jasper Tools has a model specifically for cutting speaker holes - it does 1" to 18-3/16" in diameter, in 1/16" increments:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=365-265

They also have a larger model that does 7" to 52-3/4" in diameter, in 1/4" increments:

http://www.amazon.com/Jasper-300J-Ro.../dp/B00009K77C

My Sonosub uses an 18" tube, so either would work unless you want a really big lip over the edge (as most Sonosubs do). That's pretty much the hardest part...cutting the circles. The rest is really easy. I'll post the details when I'm done!

 

[Anubis]

I am sorry, SVS and musical typically are not in the same sentence. They do have certain ones that are musical, but their typical application is simply loud, thumping low for movies (i.e. explosions, etc).

Anything larger than a 12 will be too big to be very musical. 10's seem to really be the sweet spot unless you listen to organ music (unless you are using 4 or more which are properly tuned). If you listen to organ music, the only things I can say will do it are servo controlled 15's, but you are talking big money for that.

the PB12 isnt bad for music, ive messed with it buy yea its not really whats its designed for. it is also simply too much for this space. as for organ music, i listen to some classicial tracks but no its not my focus. and im well aware of the budget you need for those things.

 

[vi edit]

90% Music? Dayton RS Hifi. 12" driver in a 18"x18x18 cube with a 500w plate amp. Awesome sub.

 

[Anubis]

90% Music? Dayton RS Hifi. 12" driver in a 18"x18x18 cube with a 500w plate amp. Awesome sub.

link? i take it its a DIY

 

[vi edit]

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-464
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http://www.oaudio.com/500W_SUBAMP.html
+ $40 sheet of MDF & glue

 

[sdifox]

sonosub, put it down horizontal.

 

[Anubis]

This "box" plus this driver plus your choice of plate amps equals a fun time. Totally overkill from the sound of things, but you should be able to keep it well under $500 and it's a great sub. The flat pack is really easy to assemble, with it all being dadoed and lettered in order of assembly.

thinking about this more i could build 2 of them and use them for stands for my speakers

massive overkill but :hmm::hmm:

i actually remember reading the AVS thread about this a few years ago

 

[Kaido]

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-464
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http://www.oaudio.com/500W_SUBAMP.html
+ $40 sheet of MDF & glue

Do you know if those BASH amps are the same as the silver ones they sell on Parts Express? Better?

Also - ported, I assume?

 

[vi edit]

Do you know if those BASH amps are the same as the silver ones they sell on Parts Express? Better?

Also - ported, I assume?

The one I linked has a bit more tuning/EQ'ing function to it.

And no, not ported. Sealed. One I like it better for music. Two it's much easier to build. Three, less chance of bottoming out your sub and damaging it like a ported one.

For music purposes where you aren't trying to get maximum extension and/or output I just like the simplicity of sealed. No question on the performance gains going ported for HT use where the extension and output is more needed.

 

[Anubis]

its basically this with a different amp from the looks of it


http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-742