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I am going to shoot (kill) my GFs dog (she wants me to)

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<< You may not have the stomach for putting a bullet into an animal, but don't begrudge someone who does. Sometimes doing the hard thing is the right thing.

Dropping a mangy sick OLD animal off at the pound in the middle of the night as so many have suggested is both spineless and ultimately is probably crueller. I don't envy you MichaelD, but I admire your fortitude.

Whatever happens, keep your head up.

-Matt
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Thanks Matt. That's some of the nicest words I've heard in a few days. I needed that. 🙂
 
I'm sorry, but your babe has problems. She would rather see you shoot the poor dog than to do it in a humane manner??? WTF is that??? :disgust: If you do go through with it, make sure you take her with you.:|:disgust:🙁
 


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1. GF cannot have pets, she is asthmatic and allergic
2. Two years ago, she took the dog in b/c her brother was neglecting it. She did it out of sympathy and then she got sick (sicker, actually)
3. Dog is at her Dad's house. He has no compassion for animals whatsoever and neglects the dog
4. 6 months ago, both local shelters refused to take the dog in
5. GF doesn't have the funds to get the dog well again and buy the medicine every other week
6. I'm not paying for it
7. I'm tired of watching everyone do NOTHING and the dog suffering.
8. GF will try the shelters again this weekend
9. Pending #8 not working, I don't know what happens then...maybe I'll just take care of it and tell nobody
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The question is not whether or not it is humane to put the dog down. The question is why the hell is it suffering so badly? And why have ALL of you let it go on for so long?

You say she has no money to pay for it, shes living with her mom. I'm sure someone between u, her, her parents, your parents if your like 12 years old must have some kind of money. Your a big city boy arent you? Kidney disease may be out of your hands, but the suffering to the dog is completely in all of your control.

Please send me your address, phone # or whatever. I will promptly take care of the matter for you.

As for people who say a dog is just a pet, your dicks are just an object. you can cut them off and live jsut fine. And yes if we saved every animal there would be a lot of animals left in the world. If we killed all the humans they would all be able to live happily.

 
OMG! What is inhumane about putting it down with a single bullet to the head. Someone please give me some sort of explanation as to why you think this is inhumane. How is it better to killl it with an injection as opposed to a bullet. Both are painless and will put the dog down instantly.

It is also an approved method of euthanasia as determined by the American Veterinary Medical Association's Panel on Euthanasia. linked
 


<< As for people who say a dog is just a pet, your dicks are just an object. you can cut them off and live jsut fine. And yes if we saved every animal there would be a lot of animals left in the world. If we killed all the humans they would all be able to live happily. >>



And this would be better? It's statements like this that throw your credibility right out the window. You are human aren't you? Or are you a dog in disguise? Thats just rediculous.
 
MichaelD,,
It seems to me that you are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I think you are taking the right approach with this situation. I have been in similar ones. For those who doubt me, fine. I have grown up surrounded by around 100+ birds of all sorts, fish, lizards, a dog, recently we got a cat, pet rats, Madagascar Hissing Cockroaches and probably other pets I am forgetting at this moment. I watched my one dog die before my eyes, I have watched many a bird suffer in agony. It's not something for the weak. We have had to euthanize many a pet before. Fortunately, funding has never been a problem.
How much does it cost to euthanize something? People piss money away in all sorts of ways just for themselves. How many times do some people think of others. I would just go ahead and pay for the dog to be put down. The "final solution" idea works, but it's a little drastic. Granted, I am not in your shoes nor do I know your financial status. You have to look at yourself in the mirror and ask if their is any sense in any of this. I feel sorry for the dog, it didn't ask for this shlt, but neither did you. Ok, I'll end my philosophy ranting with this: To hell with cost, pay for the dog to be euthanized, otherwise take the dog out to the woods, give it last rites, shoot it and bury it with dignity.
 
it is just sad that it has reached the the point tha you have to kill the dog something should have been done a lot sooner than this and mabey the dog would have had a chance
 
<<How is it better to killl it with an injection as opposed to a bullet? . . .It is also an approved method of euthanasia as determined by the American Veterinary Medical Association's Panel on Euthanasia>>

My god, cdaddict, don't you even read your own damn links?!?

It says, right in the mere 7 well spaced lines under "gunshot" that it is recommeded only for putting down Large domestic and zoo animals, reptiles, and wildlife. :|
 
Forget who I'm replying to exactly, forgot to take notes....

To the people who've said it seems less cruel to take the dog out, give it a treat and take it's life without it suspecting anything rather than take it to the vet, shelter, etc. I completely agree. Many of the animals I've had over the years become quiet stressed at the vet's office, the time spent waiting around in a strange environment surrounded by the overwhelming smells of unfamiliar animals is something of a necessary unpleasantness when taking a pet in for vaccination, but unpleasant it still is. On a scale of cruelty to the animal I see the gunshot in a peaceful environment as being less. To Michael himself it is higher, but this is his decision.

To the people who would prefer to see the dog rehabilitated and live out it's life. I don't disagree, my support for Michael's decision is based only on the choice between the options for ending the animal's life.

Lucky, I agree entirely that passing the dog off to the Humane Society (or whoever locally) is wasting the money of others. The first forum I hit here each day is the "Hot Deals" one, but using such a free service unless you have no other options is improper in my opinion. And that's what we're all expressing here, right?

From the description Michael has given, he knows better than to treat an animal like this, there's no moral lesson for him to learn about animal care. About how and whether to end one's life is a lively debate. His GF seemed to have had the dog passed off on her, now where she let it lapse into it's situation she may need the motivation to never seek out or accept an animal unless she's ready to care for it completely. In this, by Michael taking personal action the point may hit home stronger with her, and this would be toward the good.

However, it is my opion based on what's been described that the brother should be brought along to witness the firing of the weapon first hand. If this can be arranged, please consider it.

Sorry to hear about how this animal's life has turned out. Frankly I'm more concerned that another animal be spared 10 years of similar hell than I am about the last few milliseconds ending this one's, especially since I rate Michael's chosen method to be reasonable.

One final note, while it's seemingly accepted that the methods used by the vets are the most humane possible, a factor beyond their control may be preventing this. Perhaps things have changed since I heard the story, but approximately a year ago I listened to what seemed a well documented report on NPR about the shortage of the chemical used by most vets to euthanize animals. So instead they've had to fall back on older, less preferable methods including the decompression chamber. Some other rather unnice methods were mentioned, but in the interest of avoiding a debate about NPR, let's stick to just that one. Argue about the pain involved in it all you like, but even if it's entirely painless what dog would choose to be locked in a small metal chamber rather than standing in the woods eating a treat if given the choice?

--Mc
 


<< Hey Bulldozer, no offence man, but do you have Mr. Spok as your idol? All of the arguments here say that MichealD chose an inhumane way. Do you think that with the 4 options you gave us you have rediscovered the Americas? What you have listed makes perfect sense - does not have to be REstated, we all knew it. If MichaelD wanted our influence, and will do what we said, 90% of us say that if he wants to get rid of the dog he should take it to the vet so the dog will be put to sleep and not shoot it. If not he must take a better care of it - and I agree with the rest of the ppl here, with a bit of love, better care AND some WILL, the dog could be 'restored' to its best. >>



I don't understand the Mr Spoke reference (from Star Trek? I never watched the show). I don't think it's accurate to say all of the arguments say that shooting the dog is inhumane. It might be correct to say that a bunch of people that know very little about the subject are saying that it is inhumane. I don't claim that I have much knowledge in this area but I honestly don't think that shooting the dog in the head is inhumane. Nobody has presented evidence showing that it is. I'm not trying to push MichaelD to use this approach. It just bothers me that a few people are telling him he is a horrible person for considering this option when in fact it seems like one of the more reasonable approaches.

I apologize for posting the obvious in a previous post. I do however think that criticism would be better focused on the posts that tell MichaelD he is going to hell.

 


<< Good plan, MichaelD. Try and do it in one shot, and remember to dig the hole first. You never know who might stop by and next thing you know your digging a few more holes. You could be there all f*cking day! >>



That is quite literally one of the funniest things I've ever read here... or I'm really tired. Thanks for the laugh. 🙂
 
Only read the first two pages...but why would taking the dog to a vet be more humane?

When my sister took her dog to the vet to be put down...it knew something was up, it went absolutely crazy and nobody could touch it...
I definately call that humane - scaring a dog sh|tless
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, when you can just take it out back and shoot it, the dog will never expect it and wont get so worked up right before it dies.
 


<< <STRONG>My god, cdaddict, don't you even read your own damn links?!?

</STRONG>It says, right in the mere 7 well spaced lines under "gunshot" that it is recommeded <STRONG>only </STRONG>for putting down <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://acp.wo.utoledo.edu/docs/regpol/AVMAreport.html#gunshot" target=blank>Large domestic and zoo animals, reptiles, and wildlife</A>. :|
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If you really think that means it can't be used on smaller animals I can't do anything about that. Why would it be any different. Of course it isn't something that can be done at the vet. It is not the place for firearms. It's perfectly acceptable. This will be my last post about this. I am not going to start argueingstupid points like this.

Michael I hope you come to a conclusion that will help all parties involved. Yourself included. You are doing a good thing by taking charge of a bad situation and trying to stop this animal from suffering.
 
MichaelID all ur replys seem to point to killing the dog with a gun heres a quote i picked

<< You may not have the stomach for putting a bullet into an animal, but don't begrudge someone who does. Sometimes doing the hard thing is the right thing.

Dropping a mangy sick OLD animal off at the pound in the middle of the night as so many have suggested is both spineless and ultimately is probably crueller. I don't envy you MichaelD, but I admire your fortitude.

Whatever happens, keep your head up.

-Matt >>



"Thanks Matt. That's some of the nicest words I've heard in a few days. I needed that. "


theres more then that but i see ur gonna shoot the dog so i wont bother trying to find a solution to the problem...
 


<< 5. GF doesn't have the funds to get the dog well again and buy the medicine every other week
6. I'm not paying for it
7. I'm tired of watching everyone do NOTHING and the dog suffering.
8. GF will try the shelters again this weekend
9. Pending #8 not working, I don't know what happens then...maybe I'll just take care of it and tell nobody
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Even if you do not want to pay for the medicine, why aren't you willing to pay for putting it to sleep? As people pointed out, it is hardly anywhere near that $200 you thought it would be...
 
This thread deeply saddens me... it reminds me of my 11 YO Beagle/Pekinese mix has really started to show signs of arthritus in the last few weeks and I can't be with her because I'm at school. Everyone's hoping it's a different temporary injury, but I think we're just kidding ourselves and my poor girl doesn't have much left in her. It sucks, everytime I leave my home to come to school for a couple days I wonder if she'll be alright when I get back. 🙁

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to go off topic but for some reason I felt I wanted to tell someone.

CK
 


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<< 5. GF doesn't have the funds to get the dog well again and buy the medicine every other week
6. I'm not paying for it
7. I'm tired of watching everyone do NOTHING and the dog suffering.
8. GF will try the shelters again this weekend
9. Pending #8 not working, I don't know what happens then...maybe I'll just take care of it and tell nobody
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Even if you do not want to pay for the medicine, why aren't you willing to pay for putting it to sleep? As people pointed out, it is hardly anywhere near that $200 you thought it would be...
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whats the point of paying money for something he can do himself?
 
just make sure you use a REAL gun, don't use some puny .22 or whatever, make sure it's at least a .308 with hyper velocity bullets. they create a huge suction behind them, will blow a head clean apart.......most painless way IMO

make sure you actually hit it right the first time.......having to shoot an animal twice and having to watch it scream out in pain can really screw you up emotionaly and i'm not joking.
 
I think it has been said, but let me spell it out.

Shooting the dog (if it comes to that) is NOT inhumane. In fact, as McCarthy pointed out, it is probably the most humane method. The fact that shooting the dog is messy and hands on is YOUR problem, not the dog's. From his point of view, the lights just go out.

If you were to choose your own end, which would you choose?

A. You are lying on a cold metal table, people are holding you down, someone sticks something sharp into your leg, you slowly lose conciousness.

B. You are put into a metal box alone and the air is drawn out. Your belly hurts a little as the gases inside expands. You slowly fall asleep.

C. You are standing outside in the woods on a nice sunny day and then ...
 
No, I'm telling you a shotgun and some sabot shells are they way to go. More humane that way.



<< just make sure you use a REAL gun, don't use some puny .22 or whatever, make sure it's at least a .308 with hyper velocity bullets. they create a huge suction behind them, will blow a head clean apart.......most painless way IMO >>

 


<< just make sure you use a REAL gun, don't use some puny .22 or whatever, make sure it's at least a .308 with hyper velocity bullets. they create a huge suction behind them, will blow a head clean apart.......most painless way IMO

make sure you actually hit it right the first time.......having to shoot an animal twice and having to watch it scream out in pain can really screw you up emotionaly and i'm not joking.
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From the description of the mix, its a very small dog. I would guess its less than 30lbs. You dont need a 308 to make it quick. A 22, in all honesty, would suffice. I wouldnt personally recommend it, but a 22 would be able to penetrate the skull of a half Chuihuaha/half anything mix. I'm just saying lets not get carried away here ans start escalating this and end up somewhere around 416 Rigby and 50 BMG. The .308 is a rifle cartridge. I think that a rifle might be so big as to attract the dog's attention, whereas a pistol chambered in anything from 32 ACP on up will do the job effectively, and hopefully the dog will truely never see it coming. I'd still recommend a 45, but thats half because its just my favorite all around pistol cartridge.

Alright, after seeing hammer09's post, before this becomes a mini flamefest over what to use, in reality, as long as its chambered in something above 22LR, use whatever you have.
 
The thing that troubles me is that I think there must be other options available to you and your girlfriend.

I could and would kill an animal IF the animal was suffering AND there were no other options available that would alleviate this suffering.

I have taken animal into a shelter (ie. condemned them to death) because a co-worker had somehow taken in so many pets (10+dogs, 8-9 cats) that it was affecting her house/life in a very bad way. Also she was pregnant and knew she needed to make her home a safe and healthy place for the baby. The woman had avoided the situation, and we had very little time to help her and the animals before the baby was due. We felt that the only option was a shelter (aka put the dogs to sleep). BTW, the shelter wasn't happy about it. But we didn't ask if they could take them, we told them they had to take them. They did and then asked for a donation, which they got. However, now that I am older (i was about 22 at the time, now I am 35) I wonder if we handled the situation correctly. Certainly the pets had to go somewhere, but I wonder if there were other options available at the time, that I we hadn't considered. Condemning the animals was certainly the easiest and quickest solution (for us humans anyways).

Before killing this animal, I suggest you at least TRY to find a new home for the animal. Post flyers at the pet stores, supply stores, etc... Call shelters and vets for suggestions. Ask possible foster care.

My only other thought is that this is really a strange situation you are in, MichaelD. I won't make too many inferences about your relationship with your gf, but why are you the one that is responsible for this animal? What dysfunctional family allows a brother and father to ignore their responsibilities like this, leaving it up to the sister and her boyfriend? I caution you because it may be that you are and your gf need to stop enabling her father's and bother's irresponsible behavior and bad decisions.

 
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