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I am getting circumcised tomorrow [110 DAY UPDATE!]

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
BTW, American women preferred circumsized. Broaden your scope to the rest of the world and you'll find the opposite.
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There are other women besides American women? Oh yeah, unshaven women with bad personal hygiene. If I wanted more feminine versions of men, I'd be gay. Besides, I don't think I'll be both in Europe and desperate to get laid any time soon.
An interesting tid-bit that most people don't know, there is some evidence (though no formal study) to suggest that it is easier for women to climax with an uncircumsized penis than a circumsized one. That extra skin plays a role.
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Of course the foreskin plays a role, in dogs and bears and other animals that don't wear clothes and must protect the urinary tract and glans from dirt, feces, and getting whacked with burs or thistles as they run through the bush.

Other than that, it has no purpose. When you get an objective study instead of your "there is evidence (nobody can verify)", let me know.
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yuo are ignorant as ****. do me a favor and stfu why don't you.

 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
That's going to be a hard sell since you won't find a doctor outside of United States or the Middle East who will cut an infant boy or girl.
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Infant circumcision is on the rise in Japan, because though adult circumcision is increasingly fashionable, it has a much higher risk of complications. And you forget Canada, which has higher rates of circumcision than most of Europe. I win, you lose. Now go do something about that penis envy. Its not my fault women prefer cut men, don't take it out on me.
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Not all women. 😉
 
Originally posted by: HotChic
Originally posted by: tcsenter
That's going to be a hard sell since you won't find a doctor outside of United States or the Middle East who will cut an infant boy or girl.
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Infant circumcision is on the rise in Japan, because though adult circumcision is increasingly fashionable, it has a much higher risk of complications. And you forget Canada, which has higher rates of circumcision than most of Europe. I win, you lose. Now go do something about that penis envy. Its not my fault women prefer cut men, don't take it out on me.
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Not all women. 😉
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Who's speaking, Orsorum or you HotChic? 😛
 
Not all women.
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That's ok, I understand. We do compromise our own beliefs sometimes for those we love, eh? You go girl!

Stand by your man... :music:
yuo are ignorant as ****. do me a favor and stfu why don't you.
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Yuo! I did forget the other purpose of a foreskin; counter-infection.

As with our intestinal tract, which fends off harmful invading bacteria by being home to an established colony of beneficial bacteria that we have antibodies to (normal flora), the foreskin houses an infection by normal flora to fight invading bacteria and prevent a harmful infection from taking-up residence.

Of course, now that most of us have stopped sleeping in the dirt, which is loaded with feces and decomposing matter, have stopped running through the bush with our weenies hanging out, and we bathe frequently, it is no longer necessary nor even beneficial to have this counter-infection or its protective housing. In fact, its harmful and problematic.

Drippy dick!
 
no protection from bacterial infection is far from the only purpose of the foreskin. the foreskin is similar in function to the eye lids or the lips on your face. it acts as a protector to the sensitive mucus membranes in the penis and prevents them from drying out and loosing sensitivity. when the foreskin is removed, along with it goes a third of the nerve endings, and the glans have to develop a layer of keratin over the nerves to cope with being exposed permanately.

http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/

i would assume the op did research on this beforehand so he made an informed decision regarding his body. a child is not old enough to make such decisions and (outside of medical emergency), adults shouldn't have the right to go cutting at children's genitals. this should be common sense. do you know why circumcision became so popular in the united states btw? hint: it's not hygiene.


 
no protection from bacterial infection is far from the only purpose of the foreskin.
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I already detailed all the reasons, one being protection of the underlying glans from thistles and burs when running through the bush. Most of us don't do that, anymore, or if we do, we do so while sporting our Spiderman Underoos.
do you know why circumcision became so popular in the united states btw? hint: it's not hygiene.
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Exactly for health and hygiene, which was the origin of the religious ritual, as any legitimate health, medical, and religious historian can attest to. I know about Dr. Kellogg and how the anti-circumcision zealots have distorted his views.

In fact, Dr. Kellogg advocated circumcision principally for health and hygiene reasons. He wrote that circumcision may have the SECONDARY benefit or side-effect of seeming to inhibit masturbation or arousal in young boys. NOT THE PRINCIPAL REASON OR OBJECTIVE FOR CIRCUMCISION, but as a "bonus" of the procedure, if you will. His writing makes this perfectly clear.

Of course, that lasts about a whole two weeks, until the incision heals. Then its off to the races again. I and every other circumsized male perpetually walked around with an erection between the ages of 12 and 16. Lotta good circumcision did.
 
I had that done when I was born and couldn't walk for almost a year! Good luck with yours! :beer:
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
no protection from bacterial infection is far from the only purpose of the foreskin.
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I already detailed all the reasons, one being protection of the underlying glans from thistles and burs when running through the bush. Most of us don't do that, anymore, or if we do, we do so while sporting our Spiderman Underoos.
do you know why circumcision became so popular in the united states btw? hint: it's not hygiene.
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Exactly for health and hygiene, which was the origin of the religious ritual, as any legitimate health, medical, and religious historian can attest to. I know about Dr. Kellogg and how the anti-circumcision zealots have distorted his views.

In fact, Dr. Kellogg advocated circumcision principally for health and hygiene reasons. He wrote that circumcision may have the SECONDARY benefit or side-effect of seeming to inhibit masturbation or arousal in young boys. NOT THE PRINCIPLE REASON OR OBJECTIVE FOR CIRCUMCISION, but as a "bonus" of the procedure, if you will. His writing makes this perfectly clear.

Of course, that lasts about a whole two weeks, until the incision heals. Then its off to the races again. I [and every other circumsized male] perpetually walked around with an erection between the ages of 12 and 16. Lotta good circumcision did.
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A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment. In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement. - John Harvey Kellogg, M.D., "Treatment for Self-Abuse and its Effects," Plain Fact for Old and Young.
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I think we can infer from the fact he adocates making the procedure on children as traumatic as possible that his intentions were never very good. Let's take a look at kellog's "primary" reasons though. Here's the list of things physicans have claimed it would cure:

epilepsy, convulsions, paralysis, elephantiasis, tuberculosis, eczema, bed-wetting, hip-joint disease, fecal incontinence, rectal prolapse, wet dreams, hernia, headaches, nervousness, hysteria, poor eyesight, idiocy, mental retardation, and insanity

bad medice at best deliberate child abuse at worst.


and as for women complaining about genital odor, pot meet kettle. every girl i've went down on has had some form of odor. 😛
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
That's going to be a hard sell since you won't find a doctor outside of United States or the Middle East who will cut an infant boy or girl.
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Infant circumcision is on the rise in Japan, because though adult circumcision is increasingly fashionable, it has a much higher risk of complications. And you forget Canada, which has higher rates of circumcision than most of Europe. I win, you lose. Now go do something about that penis envy. Its not my fault women prefer cut men, don't take it out on me.
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I'd like to see a source on rising infant circ rates in Japan. Adult circs don't concern me as they're typically consentual.

Canada's infant circ rates used to be higher than Europe, but they've fallen dramatically after some infant circ related deaths. It sounds like most hospitals and doctors won't perform the procedures anymore. I posted some links to those articles earlier in the thread.

Personally, I think infant circ will be a footnote in American history sooner than you think. And that's because its a cosmetic surgery and a bad risk. In many states, Medicaid has stopped covering the procedures. Insurance companies, with the ever present belt-tightening, will eventually follow Medicaid's lead. (Its much cheaper to treat UTIs with antibiotics and odor with soap.) And the biggie, the malpractice insurance providers will eventually jack up the rates on any doctor who performs cosmetic infant circs. It'll only take a few big lawsuits and the malpractice providers will respond. (Thank gawd for trial lawyers.)
 
can't you guys fight about penises somewhere else?

it gets really old that every thread on this topic turns into a pointless debate.



edit: In response to you EatSpam you are the one who keeps bumping this.. I won't give you the satisfaction of making a new reply to say that though.
 
Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
can't you guys fight about penises somewhere else?

it gets really old that every thread on this topic turns into a pointless debate.
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Then stop bumping the thread. 😉
 
A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment.
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There is no question Kellogg was a total fruit, being co-founder of Seventh Day Adventists, which was little more than a cult at the time, but he was hardly a pioneer of puritanical-based medicine. Repressed homosexuality, excessive masturbation, and nocturnal 'emissions' were prevailing theories explaining organic illness, and undesirable or pathologic behavior of virtually every stripe when Kellogg attended medical school.

The practice of tying a wire to the foreskin so that erection is painful is attributed by Kellogg to one Dr. Archibald, Superintendent of the Iowa Asylum for Feeble-Minded Children.

In Plain Facts for Old and Young, Kellogg advised that the first line defense against excessive masturbation was parental vigilance, admonishment, education, and keeping children busy (idle minds), not circumcision. Circumcision was a remedy where others had failed, and only especially appropriate when there "is any degree of phimosis" (for which circumcision is still medically indicated today).

Kellogg also wrote of circumcision:
The fold of integument called the prepuce, which has been previously described, has upon its inner surface a large number of glands which produce a peculiar secretion. Under certain circumstances, and from inattention to personal cleanliness, this secretion may accumulate, and then often becomes the cause of irritation and serious disease. To prevent such disorders, and to insure cleanliness, the Jewish law required the removal of the prepuce, which constituted the rite of circumcision. The same practice is followed by several modern nations dwelling in tropical climates; and it can scarcely be doubted that it is a very salutary one, and has contributed very materially to the maintenance of that proverbial national health for which the Jews are celebrated. Eminent physicians have expressed the opinion that the practice would be a salutary one for all men.

-- Plain Facts for Old and Young : Embracing the Natural History and Hygiene of Organic Life
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Here Kellogg himself is plainly stating the prevailing medical opinion at the time by "eminent physicians" was that circumcision be routinely performed for reasons of health and hygiene. Cha-ching
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment.
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There is no question Kellogg was a total fruit, being co-founder of Seventh Day Adventists, which was little more than a cult at the time, but he was hardly a pioneer of puritanical-based medicine. Repressed homosexuality, excessive masturbation, and nocturnal 'emissions' were prevailing theories explaining organic illness, and undesirable or pathologic behavior of virtually every stripe when Kellogg attended medical school.

The practice of tying a wire to the foreskin so that erection is painful is attributed by Kellogg to one Dr. Archibald, Superintendent of the Iowa Asylum for Feeble-Minded Children.

In Plain Facts for Old and Young, Kellogg advised that the first line defense against excessive masturbation was parental vigilance, admonishment, education, and keeping children busy (idle minds), not circumcision. Circumcision was a remedy where others had failed, and only especially appropriate when there "is any degree of phimosis" (for which circumcision is still medically indicated today).

Kellogg also wrote of circumcision:
The fold of integument called the prepuce, which has been previously described, has upon its inner surface a large number of glands which produce a peculiar secretion. Under certain circumstances, and from inattention to personal cleanliness, this secretion may accumulate, and then often becomes the cause of irritation and serious disease. To prevent such disorders, and to insure cleanliness, the Jewish law required the removal of the prepuce, which constituted the rite of circumcision. The same practice is followed by several modern nations dwelling in tropical climates; and it can scarcely be doubted that it is a very salutary one, and has contributed very materially to the maintenance of that proverbial national health for which the Jews are celebrated. Eminent physicians have expressed the opinion that the practice would be a salutary one for all men.

-- Plain Facts for Old and Young : Embracing the Natural History and Hygiene of Organic Life
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Here Kellogg himself is plainly stating the prevailing medical opinion at the time by "eminent physicians" was that circumcision be routinely performed for reasons of health and hygiene. Cha-ching.
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