sandorski
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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
As are apples
Point being is that "worthwhile religions" may have similarities, but to those who hold to one or the other they aren't the same.
Most Christian religions have the concept of the Trinity, where Jesus would be divine. Islam does not hold Jesus coequal to the Father, and therefore aren't equivalent.
Both religions are founded on the belief of a Genesis god, but after that they are incompatible in theology.
Both may be the "delicious fruit", but an apple is not a grape, and therefore not the same.
Not exactly true. They both believe in the Jewish Deity and are both rooted in that Deity.
Well, they are both rooted in the God of Abraham.
IF you want to talk about the exact ideas that can be shared and discussed at length in both the Quran and Christianity it is as follows: Love of God and Love of Neighbor.
oops, you are correct. That said, Islam seems to follow fairly closely to even the Mosaic Law given long after Abraham, not exactly of course, but many of the Laws are observed in Islam as well such as eating Pork, Shellfish, etc.
Shellfish? Maybe we have a confusion here. The Quran states that all seafood/watergame/bla is lawful. For land animals here are the following exceptions: carrion, carnivores on land, blood, pig.
hmm, I thought Shellfish were a No go. Is there a difference between Shia and Sunni on the subject?
I never said that they didn't accomplish the same job, did I? But if one believes in a religion, the concept of God is a hugely important thing. You clearly don't care, so it doesn't matter to you.
Arkaign
Lifer
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http://www.chrislam.org/
http://www.bahai.org/
There are a number of fusion religious orders that recognize that the world's religions have more in common than they have apart.
Man's failures and foibles are what causes the divide. Greed, xenophobia, grudges, etc.
http://www.bahai.org/
There are a number of fusion religious orders that recognize that the world's religions have more in common than they have apart.
Man's failures and foibles are what causes the divide. Greed, xenophobia, grudges, etc.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
As are apples
Point being is that "worthwhile religions" may have similarities, but to those who hold to one or the other they aren't the same.
Most Christian religions have the concept of the Trinity, where Jesus would be divine. Islam does not hold Jesus coequal to the Father, and therefore aren't equivalent.
Both religions are founded on the belief of a Genesis god, but after that they are incompatible in theology.
Both may be the "delicious fruit", but an apple is not a grape, and therefore not the same.
Not exactly true. They both believe in the Jewish Deity and are both rooted in that Deity.
Well, they are both rooted in the God of Abraham.
IF you want to talk about the exact ideas that can be shared and discussed at length in both the Quran and Christianity it is as follows: Love of God and Love of Neighbor.
oops, you are correct. That said, Islam seems to follow fairly closely to even the Mosaic Law given long after Abraham, not exactly of course, but many of the Laws are observed in Islam as well such as eating Pork, Shellfish, etc.
Shellfish? Maybe we have a confusion here. The Quran states that all seafood/watergame/bla is lawful. For land animals here are the following exceptions: carrion, carnivores on land, blood, pig.
hmm, I thought Shellfish were a No go. Is there a difference between Shia and Sunni on the subject?
(5:96) Lawful to you is all water-game, and what the sea brings forth,115 as a provision for you [who are settled] as well as for travellers, although you are forbidden to hunt on land while you are in the state of pilgrimage.116 And be conscious of God, unto whom you shall be gathered.
Soe commentary on the verse:
115 Lit., "the game of the sea and its food". Since the term bahr denotes any large accumulation
of water, the classical commentators and jurists agree in that the above ordinance comprises
all water-game, whether derived from seas, rivers, lakes or ponds (Tabari). The pronoun in
ta'amuhu (lit., "its food") relates to the word bahr, and thus indicates the fish and other
marine animals which may have been cast forth by the waves onto the shore (Tabari, Razi).
Zamakhshari, however, regards the pronoun as relating to the object of the game (sayd) as
such, and, consequently, understands the phrase as meaning "the eating thereof". Either of
these two readings is agreeable with the text inasmuch as the above verse lays down that all
kinds of water-game are lawful to a believer - even if he is in the state of pilgrimage -
whereas hunting on land (sayd al-barn) iis forbidden to the pilgrim.
Btw, Islam explicity follows a "If its not explicitly forbidden, its allowed".
Nemesis 1
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Can you except the testamony of Muhammed and be a Christian . NO FLAT out NO . Best thing is to except GOD and that the Word was always with him or In HIM either works for me . I don't care if trinity is or isn't doesn't change the nature of GOD at all.
First problem . Christ said one would follow him and rule with rod of iron . That we know of . We have PAUL by the Spitit / Muhammed by the spirit, / JOE smith by Angle . ect ect ect . WHO do ya choose or was Christ talking about Christ . He who picks a New NAME FOR SELF. It all gets pretty sticky if you believe Christ was the living Word of GOD.
Vic
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And Yahweh = volcano god. What's your point? Would you call all Jews and Christians as volcano god worshipers?
Hell, the English word 'god' is derived from Woden, the king of the Norse gods. How would you feel if someone argued that because your language uses the word 'god' that all English-speaking Christians must therefore be Odin-worshipers?
Or because the Spanish word for god, 'dios,' is derived from the Greek god Zeus/Deus, the god of lightning, that all Spanish-speaking Christians must therefore be lightning god worshipers?
Yeah, your logic is rock solid :roll:
Christ taught a lesson long ago about the primacy of God over religion, and that God chooses whoever He wills, regardless of what the churches and society expect. The fighting over and distinguishing of this religion verses that and whether or not someone is a true follower or not is a big joke compared to the existence of God; a pathetic type of joke which has long ceased to be funny.
The religion that matters, the only one, is yours, and whether or not you are following it correctly is primarily a test of your own honesty and conviction, a deep matter between you and God, far more than anything that churches let alone random personal claims tend to get right. Comparatively, quibbles about this or that practice or dogma are entirely worthless.
The religion that matters, the only one, is yours, and whether or not you are following it correctly is primarily a test of your own honesty and conviction, a deep matter between you and God, far more than anything that churches let alone random personal claims tend to get right. Comparatively, quibbles about this or that practice or dogma are entirely worthless.
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