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As are apples
Point being is that "worthwhile religions" may have similarities, but to those who hold to one or the other they aren't the same.
Most Christian religions have the concept of the Trinity, where Jesus would be divine. Islam does not hold Jesus coequal to the Father, and therefore aren't equivalent.
Both religions are founded on the belief of a Genesis god, but after that they are incompatible in theology.
Both may be the "delicious fruit", but an apple is not a grape, and therefore not the same.
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sandorski
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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
As are apples
Point being is that "worthwhile religions" may have similarities, but to those who hold to one or the other they aren't the same.
Most Christian religions have the concept of the Trinity, where Jesus would be divine. Islam does not hold Jesus coequal to the Father, and therefore aren't equivalent.
Both religions are founded on the belief of a Genesis god, but after that they are incompatible in theology.
Both may be the "delicious fruit", but an apple is not a grape, and therefore not the same.
Not exactly true. They both believe in the Jewish Deity and are both rooted in that Deity.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
As are apples
Point being is that "worthwhile religions" may have similarities, but to those who hold to one or the other they aren't the same.
Most Christian religions have the concept of the Trinity, where Jesus would be divine. Islam does not hold Jesus coequal to the Father, and therefore aren't equivalent.
Both religions are founded on the belief of a Genesis god, but after that they are incompatible in theology.
Both may be the "delicious fruit", but an apple is not a grape, and therefore not the same.
Not exactly true. They both believe in the Jewish Deity and are both rooted in that Deity.
Well, they are both rooted in the God of Abraham.
IF you want to talk about the exact ideas that can be shared and discussed at length in both the Quran and Christianity it is as follows: Love of God and Love of Neighbor.
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
As are apples
Point being is that "worthwhile religions" may have similarities, but to those who hold to one or the other they aren't the same.
Most Christian religions have the concept of the Trinity, where Jesus would be divine. Islam does not hold Jesus coequal to the Father, and therefore aren't equivalent.
Both religions are founded on the belief of a Genesis god, but after that they are incompatible in theology.
Both may be the "delicious fruit", but an apple is not a grape, and therefore not the same.
Not the same, but the differences are piddling details in the end. They both perform the same function for their followers. They are adhered to for the same reason. The need they fill is the same need. The fact that they have a common root is just icing on the cake.
The difference is about the same as between, say a Nissan car and a Toyota car. People will swear by one or the other, but in the end they both do the same things for similar prices and wear out in a similar number of miles.
sandorski
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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
As are apples
Point being is that "worthwhile religions" may have similarities, but to those who hold to one or the other they aren't the same.
Most Christian religions have the concept of the Trinity, where Jesus would be divine. Islam does not hold Jesus coequal to the Father, and therefore aren't equivalent.
Both religions are founded on the belief of a Genesis god, but after that they are incompatible in theology.
Both may be the "delicious fruit", but an apple is not a grape, and therefore not the same.
Not exactly true. They both believe in the Jewish Deity and are both rooted in that Deity.
Well, they are both rooted in the God of Abraham.
IF you want to talk about the exact ideas that can be shared and discussed at length in both the Quran and Christianity it is as follows: Love of God and Love of Neighbor.
oops, you are correct. That said, Islam seems to follow fairly closely to even the Mosaic Law given long after Abraham, not exactly of course, but many of the Laws are observed in Islam as well such as eating Pork, Shellfish, etc.
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
As are apples
Point being is that "worthwhile religions" may have similarities, but to those who hold to one or the other they aren't the same.
Most Christian religions have the concept of the Trinity, where Jesus would be divine. Islam does not hold Jesus coequal to the Father, and therefore aren't equivalent.
Both religions are founded on the belief of a Genesis god, but after that they are incompatible in theology.
Both may be the "delicious fruit", but an apple is not a grape, and therefore not the same.
Not the same, but the differences are piddling details in the end. They both perform the same function for their followers. They are adhered to for the same reason. The need they fill is the same need. The fact that they have a common root is just icing on the cake.
The difference is about the same as between, say a Nissan car and a Toyota car. People will swear by one or the other, but in the end they both do the same things for similar prices and wear out in a similar number of miles.
As much as I focus on the similarties between religions....
the difference of God = Supreme , Singular, All Powerful Force vs. God = Jesus is a huge one.
Hey, they do preform the same function for their hfollowers and fill the same religious need, but so do other religions. Hindiusm does it for Hindus, Buddhism does it for Buddhists.
The "Details" I would be thinking of, that aren't of ESSENTIAL importance (as it doesn't take about the actual nature of God) that differ between the two would be along the lines of things as follows: Noah's arc (Christian = Global, Quran = Local to the people of Noah) , Golden Calf (Christian = Aaron prayed to it, Quran = Aaron didn't pray), etc etc
God = supreme, singular, all powerful Force vs. God = Invisible pink unicorn wouldn't be a huge difference. As far a religion is concerned, God = God vs. God = Zeus, Apollo, Athena, etc. isn't a huge difference. They still do the same thing. It only seems like a huge difference to you because it makes a huge difference to you.
Kinda like how X widget that Toyota put in their vehicles that Nissan does not is the most important thing anyone ever put in a vehicle to some people, while the reverse is true for others. Widgets don't make a car. Gods are the center of some religions, but it doesn't matter which God or whether they were allegedly incarnated in the flesh, killed and raised from the dead. That's an interesting piece of storytelling, but it doesn't change the place they occupy within the religion.
Edit: clarification
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
Islam = Christianity + the scripture of Mohammad
Christianity = The scripture of Jesus & The Apostles + Judaism
Therefore Islam = Christianity + Judaism + Some more crap.
Feel free to deny it all you want, but since all three are founded on the old testament, it's patently obvious.
Christianity = The scripture of Jesus & The Apostles + Judaism
Therefore Islam = Christianity + Judaism + Some more crap.
Feel free to deny it all you want, but since all three are founded on the old testament, it's patently obvious.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
As are apples
Point being is that "worthwhile religions" may have similarities, but to those who hold to one or the other they aren't the same.
Most Christian religions have the concept of the Trinity, where Jesus would be divine. Islam does not hold Jesus coequal to the Father, and therefore aren't equivalent.
Both religions are founded on the belief of a Genesis god, but after that they are incompatible in theology.
Both may be the "delicious fruit", but an apple is not a grape, and therefore not the same.
Not exactly true. They both believe in the Jewish Deity and are both rooted in that Deity.
Well, they are both rooted in the God of Abraham.
IF you want to talk about the exact ideas that can be shared and discussed at length in both the Quran and Christianity it is as follows: Love of God and Love of Neighbor.
oops, you are correct. That said, Islam seems to follow fairly closely to even the Mosaic Law given long after Abraham, not exactly of course, but many of the Laws are observed in Islam as well such as eating Pork, Shellfish, etc.
Shellfish? Maybe we have a confusion here. The Quran states that all seafood/watergame/bla is lawful. For land animals here are the following exceptions: carrion, carnivores on land, blood, pig.
My take on the Muslim/Christian thing is that they are different due to fundamental differences at the core of their respective faiths. While they do follow the same God, their teachings on how one gets to an eternity with that God, which I would consider to be core to either faith, are different. Christianity believes that Jesus was the son of God in human form, and that by dying on the cross he removed the sins of those who as for forgiveness, thus allowing them to spend eternity with God. Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, but not the son of God, and that eternal life with God (Allah) is attained through following the laws set forth in the Quaran, which includes the 5 pillars of the Islamic faith, one of which is the statement that Muhammed is the holy prophet of Allah, a statement that would be incompatible with Christianity as he would be considered a false prophet for preaching things that go against the core belief of Christianity (Jesus is Prophet instead of son of God).
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