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puffff

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on my way home from work, this guy jumps in the subway car i'm in and starts speaking loudly for everyone to hear. "good morning ladies and gentlemen..." another homeless dude asking for change, i thought. then he brings up christianity and how god is your lord... great, one of those christian fanatics.

then a few seconds later, he switches gears and starts praising islam. now i'm kind of confused. he goes on about how everyone should read both the bible and the koran, and he finishes by claiming to be both christian and muslim. now i dont follow either faiths so i have no idea whether they are mutually exclusive... can you be both christian and muslim at the same time?

 
TehMac

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Maybe he wanted to appeal to all the Muslims on the train for cash.
 
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Lonyo

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You can't really be.
Islam recognises Jesus as a prophet or something, but not the son of God, so it doesn't really work.
 
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sutahz

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is your Left side going to blow up your Right side? When the crusade and jihad clash!
 
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TruePaige

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Originally posted by: Lonyo
You can't really be.
Islam recognises Jesus as a prophet or something, but not the son of God, so it doesn't really work.
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So? Modified version.
 
GodlessAstronomer

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If it's possible to have the cognitive dissonance to maintain the ideas of both christianity and reality, then it should be easy to be both muslim and christian. Sure, there are contradictions, but religious people have become highly skilled at doublethink.
 
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magomago

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Well both believe in a person named Jesus who was sent by God. Both believe in the Virgin Mary. But Islam believes that the person Jesus was a human being sent as a prophet and nothing more. Depending on the Christian group, Jesus is either God directly, or a part of the Triune. Islam doesn't have original sin, Christianity does.

I would say that Islam and Judaism share more similarities than Judaism and Christianity.
I would also say that Islam and Christianity share more similarities than Judaism and Christianity.

The whole "Jesus/Mary" thing puts Chrsitians closer to Muslims than it does to Jews (Where Jesus/Mary is absolutely nothing in their view)
But the whole "Triune God/ 3 parts to make the God head" puts Jews closer to Muslims than it does to Christians (Where strict monotheism is upheld)
 
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Crono

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Following Christ is exclusive of any other religion. You can't follow Christ and worship Allah.
 
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Originally posted by: Crono
Following Christ is exclusive of any other religion. You can't follow Christ and worship Allah.
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Allah is just a word for god.
 
JasonSix78

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Originally posted by: Lonyo
You can't really be.
Islam recognises Jesus as a prophet or something, but not the son of God, so it doesn't really work.
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Right. Muslims do not believe in the Trinity, that Jesus was the son of God, or the death and resurrection of Jesus. All very important and fundamental in Christianity. Maybe the guy on the subway was drunk? :laugh:
 
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Crono

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Crono
Following Christ is exclusive of any other religion. You can't follow Christ and worship Allah.
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Allah is just a word for god.
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It refers to a specific god, the god of the Qu'ran. Just as when I say "God" (denoted here by an upper case "G") I am referring to the God of the Bible. They are not the same.
 
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Crono

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Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Originally posted by: Lonyo
You can't really be.
Islam recognises Jesus as a prophet or something, but not the son of God, so it doesn't really work.
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Right. Muslims do not believe in the Trinity, that Jesus was the son of God, or the death and resurrection of Jesus. All very important and fundamental in Christianity. Maybe the guy on the subway was drunk? :laugh:
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On a related note, 2 hours ago I was on the train when a disturbed lady was yelling on the train to no one in particular, cursing every 5 seconds. She was raving about how we're (not her, apparently) all dirty, all *bleep* *bleep*. She was making a baby cry.
 
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Someone passed this one to me long ago...what do you all think? Is it skewed?

Can a good Muslim be a good American?

I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically- no because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Religiously- no because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scripturally- no because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically- no because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially- no because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically- no because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically- no because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually- no because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically- no because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually- no because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

 
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thecrecarc

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Originally posted by: Brutus04
Someone passed this one to me long ago...what do you all think? Is it skewed?

Can a good Muslim be a good American?

I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically- no because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Religiously- no because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scripturally- no because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically- no because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially- no because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically- no because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically- no because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually- no because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically- no because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually- no because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.
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That is utter bullshit.
 
RadiclDreamer

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With a few changes here and there, they are pretty much the same religion, same goes for Judaism.
 
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