I am Christian and I support same-sex and gay marriages

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
mar·riage

The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.

If we are going to change the definition of marriage, why not polygamy or multiple husbands/wives?

I am going to ask you the same thing as i have asked others in another thread, what is it about TWO CONSENTING ADULTS that you do not get? That his three words, not hard to understand, now is it?

Polygamy would have an impact on society that would become a problem, gay marriage does not have that impact.

If you are for polygamy, by all means, fight for it if you wish, just understand that there is a difference between TWO CONSENTING ADULTS and everything else.

It was not THAT long ago that the text contained more words, race was one of them, i suspect that if you would have been alive back then you would have been at the front defending that.

Discrimination in the name of god, how pathetic is that?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Riprorin
mar·riage

The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.

If we are going to change the definition of marriage, why not polygamy or multiple husbands/wives?

NO change . . . You've quoted ONLY the PRImary definition . . . read on: 😛

d. A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.

:roll:

Eh, well the definition you quoted is obviously a recent (as in, last few decades) addition, so his point remains that if you change one half of the definition, why not the other half?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Riprorin
mar·riage

The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.

If we are going to change the definition of marriage, why not polygamy or multiple husbands/wives?

NO change . . . You've quoted ONLY the PRImary definition . . . read on: 😛

d. A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.

:roll:

Eh, well the definition you quoted is obviously a recent (as in, last few decades) addition, so his point remains that if you change one half of the definition, why not the other half?

I would think that would be simple to understand, but obviously not, let's check an earlier version and see what it says about races, shall we? Or is it ok to discriminate based on sexual preference but not on race?

Anyone can get this i believe, two consenting adults in love should be able to get married, no matter which sex or race either of them belong to.

Polygami is another slippery slope argument and the reason why it should not be allowed is simple, it would have a great effect on society, gay marriage would not, unless you are one of those who think they can be "saved" or converted or whatever you choose to call it they are still going for same sex relationships.

In fact, i believe that society would improve, at least the gay part of society if they did not have to fight for their rights.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Riprorin
mar·riage

The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.

If we are going to change the definition of marriage, why not polygamy or multiple husbands/wives?

NO change . . . You've quoted ONLY the PRImary definition . . . read on: 😛

d. A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.

:roll:

Eh, well the definition you quoted is obviously a recent (as in, last few decades) addition, so his point remains that if you change one half of the definition, why not the other half?

Why not?

Everything changes . . . eventually.

And the definition of "marriage" DOES include polygamy - King Solomon (of ancient Israel) had 300 WIVES . . . they were LEGALLY married to the king.

😛

:roll:

Looks like YOUR definition of marriage need REexamining. 😉

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: deejayshakur
alright...that wasn't enough to rile up the crowd was it?

basically, my gf's roommate is adamantly against it. why? "cause i follow the word of God."

what do i say? heterosexuals are no better than homosexuals--we're all sinners. when society tells gays, 'you can't get married and have the same rights as us heterosexuals', the heteros are in effect placing themselves above homos. God tells us to love everyone, even our enemies. isn't banning gay marriage in essence persecuting gays for their lifestyle and beliefs? there's enough hate in this world. love your brothers and sisters, whether they are straight or gay. we should be praying for gays, not trying to push them under the carpet of society.

edit: i was responding to a quote in the roommate's aim profile.

I wonder if your gf's roommate has sex with her boyfriend.

 

[Night201]

I'm christian and I support gay marriages. Who cares if you are christian. I believe in what I want to believe in and if 2 people of the same sex want to get married because they love each other, so be it. They should have the right to.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
mar·riage

The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.

If we are going to change the definition of marriage, why not polygamy or multiple husbands/wives?

mr. o'reilly?
is that you?!?!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Well, I've come to a conclusion about this whole business. If I can get a date with Lindsay Lohan, I'll vote for homosexual marriage. 😛

 

[deejayshakur]

Originally posted by: amdskip
I am a Christian and I strongly oppose same sex/gay marriages. I feel bad for the kids in these situations.

i understand how you feel. i feel just as bad for kids in single-parent households. but i don't agree with you.

in studies in european countries where gay marriage is legal, same-sex households on the average had higher incomes and more education as a whole.

if you put a child in foster care, would you rather he/she live in an impoverished ghettos with a single mother or with two loving and well-off mothers who could provide amply for him/her?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: deejayshakur

Originally posted by: amdskip
I am a Christian and I strongly oppose same sex/gay marriages. I feel bad for the kids in these situations.

i understand how you feel. i feel just as bad for kids in single-parent households. but i don't agree with you.

in studies in european countries where gay marriage is legal, same-sex households on the average had higher incomes and more education as a whole.

if you put a child in foster care, would you rather he/she live in an impoverished ghettos with a single mother or with two loving and well-off mothers who could provide amply for him/her?

All of those situations are not natural and have some level of detrimental impact on the children. Real families almost don't exist anymore 🙁

 

[deejayshakur]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: deejayshakur
alright...that wasn't enough to rile up the crowd was it?

basically, my gf's roommate is adamantly against it. why? "cause i follow the word of God."

what do i say? heterosexuals are no better than homosexuals--we're all sinners. when society tells gays, 'you can't get married and have the same rights as us heterosexuals', the heteros are in effect placing themselves above homos. God tells us to love everyone, even our enemies. isn't banning gay marriage in essence persecuting gays for their lifestyle and beliefs? there's enough hate in this world. love your brothers and sisters, whether they are straight or gay. we should be praying for gays, not trying to push them under the carpet of society.

edit: i was responding to a quote in the roommate's aim profile.

I wonder if your gf's roommate has sex with her boyfriend.

no bf...end comment.

 

[deejayshakur]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: deejayshakur

Originally posted by: amdskip
I am a Christian and I strongly oppose same sex/gay marriages. I feel bad for the kids in these situations.

i understand how you feel. i feel just as bad for kids in single-parent households. but i don't agree with you.

in studies in european countries where gay marriage is legal, same-sex households on the average had higher incomes and more education as a whole.

if you put a child in foster care, would you rather he/she live in an impoverished ghettos with a single mother or with two loving and well-off mothers who could provide amply for him/her?

All of those situations are not natural and have some level of detrimental impact on the children. Real families almost don't exist anymore 🙁

"real families"? the concept of 'ideal family' in china the 1600s was 5 generations under 1 roof. ideals change over time and that's an immutable fact. "real humans" are able to adapt to their ever-changing environment.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: deejayshakur

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: deejayshakur

Originally posted by: amdskip
I am a Christian and I strongly oppose same sex/gay marriages. I feel bad for the kids in these situations.

i understand how you feel. i feel just as bad for kids in single-parent households. but i don't agree with you.

in studies in european countries where gay marriage is legal, same-sex households on the average had higher incomes and more education as a whole.

if you put a child in foster care, would you rather he/she live in an impoverished ghettos with a single mother or with two loving and well-off mothers who could provide amply for him/her?

All of those situations are not natural and have some level of detrimental impact on the children. Real families almost don't exist anymore 🙁

"real families"? the concept of 'ideal family' in china the 1600s was 5 generations under 1 roof. ideals change over time and that's an immutable fact. "real humans" are able to adapt to their ever-changing environment.

Regardless of belief of nature or god, "real" families cannot exist without a mother and a father. My own beliefs lead me to believe that a good natured mother and father with their children's moral and ethical upbringing at the forefront of their attempt to raise their children consists of a "real" family.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
As long as the same sex marriages aren't carried out by Christian leaders as a Christian marriage (any Christian doctrine I've ever heard of wouldn't allow it anyway), and is simply done as a state marriage (Justice of the Peace type) I have no problem with it. I don't condone it, but neither do I condemn same sex marriages or relationships, it's not my place to judge.

if a sect or a denomination decides to condone gay marriages, does it then make it your place to judge??

read the whole thing, I specifically said christian doctrine. there are no christian doctrines that support same sex marriage as a holy union of two persons, it's actually denounced. at the same time how many people are getting divorced who shouldn't be, I believe in death do us part with the only exeptions being what's in the bible, if your mate isn't of like faith and wishes to leave, or if your mate "cheats" on you.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Regardless of belief of nature or god, "real" families cannot exist without a mother and a father. My own beliefs lead me to believe that a good natured mother and father with their children's moral and ethical upbringing at the forefront of their attempt to raise their children consists of a "real" family.

you have no clue of what a 'real' family really is. . . .

. . . just your "ideal". 😛

:roll:

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Regardless of belief of nature or god, "real" families cannot exist without a mother and a father. My own beliefs lead me to believe that a good natured mother and father with their children's moral and ethical upbringing at the forefront of their attempt to raise their children consists of a "real" family.

you have no clue of what a 'real' family really is. . . .

. . . just your "ideal". 😛

:roll:

real==ideal

I was raised by a single mother who kicked her husband out for cheating and drug abuse. I wasn't raised in a real family. And neither are children who are in other broken homes and such that was mensioned before. Those are real families, they're really broken and really messed up families.

 

[deejayshakur]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Regardless of belief of nature or god, "real" families cannot exist without a mother and a father. My own beliefs lead me to believe that a good natured mother and father with their children's moral and ethical upbringing at the forefront of their attempt to raise their children consists of a "real" family.

you have no clue of what a 'real' family really is. . . .

. . . just your "ideal". 😛

:roll:

real==ideal

I was raised by a single mother who kicked her husband out for cheating and drug abuse. I wasn't raised in a real family. And neither are children who are in other broken homes and such that was mensioned before. Those are real families, they're really broken and really messed up families.

actually, my gf was raised by her mom after her dad committed adultery and left the whole family, 4 kids in all. she is the most well-grounded, sincere, passionate, loving, intelligent, and hard-working girl that i have ever met. so sorry, your 'broken home' theory is invalid.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: deejayshakur

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Regardless of belief of nature or god, "real" families cannot exist without a mother and a father. My own beliefs lead me to believe that a good natured mother and father with their children's moral and ethical upbringing at the forefront of their attempt to raise their children consists of a "real" family.

you have no clue of what a 'real' family really is. . . .

. . . just your "ideal". 😛

:roll:

real==ideal

I was raised by a single mother who kicked her husband out for cheating and drug abuse. I wasn't raised in a real family. And neither are children who are in other broken homes and such that was mensioned before. Those are real families, they're really broken and really messed up families.

actually, my gf was raised by her mom after her dad committed adultery and left the whole family, 4 kids in all. she is the most well-grounded, sincere, passionate, loving, intelligent, and hard-working girl that i have ever met. so sorry, your 'broken home' theory is invalid.

:roll: Dumbass, did I say that the children would be complete social failures? Re-read my post. An environment having detrimental effects on a child doesn't make them complete wastes of existances.

 

[Copperman]

Here is how i feel on this subject....

I am a christian i try to live a good clean life.. i do struggle with different things and am trying to do right..

I don't believe in same sex marriages as the Bible talks against it... but the Bible also tells me to love my neighbor.. So i do love them and pray for them as i pray for alcoholics, drug addicts, smokers, our country, our leaders etc. etc..

I am no better than anyone but just trying to live by the Bible...

people say we shouldn't judge and i don't unless i am asked and i try to give a righteous judge by going by the Bible...

So in short i don't believe in it but will never slander the people..

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Sysadmin

Originally posted by: deejayshakur
with a sizeable Christian group here on atot, let's talk about this topic in terms of Christianity. what do you have to say?

Wow a Christen with an open mind! You sir are a rare but welcome breed IMHO.

Sysadmin

I'm a Christen, a Christian, and I have no problems with same-sex relationships or marriage.

 

[udonoogen]

i am a Christian. i don't have a problem with homosexuals as people. however i think their lifestyle is immoral and sinful. we all sin (its not like Christians are perfect or anything). however i dont think people or the government should condone sinful lifestyles/choices. if you say its not the government's responsibility or right to enforce morality then theres no reason for laws, because all laws to some extent make judgments on morality. i am against homosexual marriages for this reason.

this is an EXCELLENT article to read

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Christians who oppose it are against the democratic principles of a separation of State and Church.
You can have the same rights as them, as long as wanting the same rights means you do whatever they want you to do.

 

[Eli]

Let's face it folks, we're "lucky" beings floating on a random rock in an incomprehensibly vast universe.

We're nothing but realitivly unadvanced virii that think we know it all.

If there is a God, we're probably more like his entertainment, not his children. 😛

Depressing, isn't it? lol...

Oh, and that means that I support gay marriage, civil union, whatever you want to call it. There is no excuse for discrimination.

 

[deejayshakur]

Originally posted by: udonoogen
i am a Christian. i don't have a problem with homosexuals as people. however i think their lifestyle is immoral and sinful. we all sin (its not like Christians are perfect or anything). however i dont think people or the government should condone sinful lifestyles/choices. if you say its not the government's responsibility or right to enforce morality then theres no reason for laws, because all laws to some extent make judgments on morality. i am against homosexual marriages for this reason.

this is an EXCELLENT article to read

interesting first page. i'll read the rest later. i'm definitely open to the other side, whereas many Christians tend to jump on the Christian bandwagon without first evaluating the realities of the issues themselves. but that's another story.

i'll tell you one thing that will be pretty hard to deny--some day gays will be able to marry legally. this is the united states of america, not north korea or china. minorities are allowed to have opinions and voice them, and fight for them, however disgusting the majority might find it. the lid is opened and the opposition will have a hard time forcing it back on.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Eli
Let's face it folks, we're "lucky" beings floating on a random rock in an incomprehensibly vast universe.

We're nothing but realitivly unadvanced virii that think we know it all.

If there is a God, we're probably more like his entertainment, not his children. 😛

Depressing, isn't it? lol...

Oh, and that means that I support gay marriage, civil union, whatever you want to call it. There is no excuse for discrimination.

I refuse to believe that there cannot possibly be any higher life like God with all the order in nature.