I am actually 'scared' when the Reps (esp. Trump) will lose...

[flexy]

Do you remember in 2012 how Trump 'lost it' on TV and especially on Twitter after Obama got re-elected? I do.

But it's not only that I consider Trump a madman, also many of his followers.

Trump is either (mentally) so mad that he REALLY believes he'd win this election....or the entire thing is just some type of play, I really don't know looking at his tweets and whatever public appearances.

This man (and supporters) are convinced he'll win the election, while most of us and common sense etc. says there is not even remote chance this happening. He has not even the support of many of the Reps, let alone minorities, blacks, Latinos etc. I consider his chances ZERO.

So what will happen if they (Reps) will see a third land-slide loss (likely to Hilary) which is obvious for anyone BUT THEM.

Will they entirely flip? Will their brains explode?

Having seen Trump flipping out over Obama's win last time....no big deal, there he was just "some rich idiot"...but now he's a candidate himself and he and his supporters have even more reason to "flip out" when they lose.

Do you think Trump (and supporters) would *accept* a loss?

How would they accept a loss when he was already ranting in 2012 how the electoral college is a scam and they "should march on Washington" since in his/their sick mind the election was a fraud ..etc..

I mean 2000 elections with "recount, recount, recount" was already pretty bad....so you tell me what we can expect in 2016 when the Reps lose again. I am not exactly considering Trump "rational" whatsoever, he has such a pathological ego I have a hard time seeing/accepting them a loss.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Do you remember in 2012 how Trump 'lost it' on TV and especially on Twitter after Obama got re-elected? I do.

But it's not only that I consider Trump a madman, also many of his followers.

Trump is either (mentally) so mad that he REALLY believes he'd win this election....or the entire thing is just some type of play, I really don't know looking at his tweets and whatever public appearances.

This man (and supporters) are convinced he'll win the election, while most of us and common sense etc. says there is not even remote chance this happening. He has not even the support of many of the Reps, let alone minorities, blacks, Latinos etc. I consider his chances ZERO.

So what will happen if they (Reps) will see a third land-slide loss (likely to Hilary) which is obvious for anyone BUT THEM.

Will they entirely flip? Will their brains explode?

Having seen Trump flipping out over Obama's win last time....no big deal, there he was just "some rich idiot"...but now he's a candidate himself and he and his supporters have even more reason to "flip out" when they lose.

Do you think Trump (and supporters) would *accept* a loss?

How would they accept a loss when he was already ranting in 2012 how the electoral college is a scam and they "should march on Washington" since in his/their sick mind the election was a fraud ..etc..

I mean 2000 elections with "recount, recount, recount" was already pretty bad....so you tell me what we can expect in 2016 when the Reps lose again. I am not exactly considering Trump "rational" whatsoever, he has such a pathological ego I have a hard time seeing/accepting them a loss.

With any narrow election-call, they'll pull out all the legal stops wherever there's an opportunity.

For the extreme wing-nuts, I think we've already had a slight taste of that. It sort of stretches from, to and between Weaver in Idaho, Waco and Colorado. And those in the forefront of that faction will distance themselves from any incident. Remember the flap over Tucson? Lucky thing at least -- the guy was totally nuts.

I can't even be sure over a range of years and different perceptions I've had over the years. But with the explosion in communication from simple network TV, we've extended intense partisan campaigns through the November election to include political posturing in the media. I suspect the obstruction and subterfuge in congress has spilled over into the public service. I could cite one scandal or all of them over the last ten years.

This has a big cost to it. Frankly, for Trump supporters, I don't give a damn how they feel if he loses. If he wins, I'm going to put a see-through barrier between me and the TV, so I don't break it with a beer-bottle with his public appearances.

And I'll have my eyes on Trump like flies on a cow-plop.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I don't think Trump, when he entered the race, ever seriously believed he had a chance at winning. It seems increasingly likely (though I still consider it improbable) that he will win the GOP nomination, however. My sense is that if that were to happen, Hillary would win in a landslide, and so while the wingbats who support Trump would be righteously pissed, it wouldn't give them much chance to try to undo the result.

I think the people who know me on these forums know I am not given to hyperbole, but I find the Trump ascendency genuinely scary. It was entertaining for a while, but it represents something very ugly about our nation and it sincerely troubles me that any significant number of people are stupid and/or misguided enough to support a person like Donald Trump as the President of the United States. All of his substantive policy positions (if I give them enough credit to call them substantive) are basically oriented toward an us-vs-them mentality toward immigrants and Muslims. In that sense he has no small amount in common with Hitler. I am not saying he would go down the same road as Hitler, of course, but do I trust him in any form or fashion? Hell no. He is a buffoon with a heart full of hatred.

 

[Herr Kutz]

I'm more worried about obummer declaring martial law and calling off elections.

Stupid thread is stupid.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I'm more worried about obummer declaring martial law and calling off elections.

Stupid thread is stupid.

You're kidding . . . you're so fwightened. The sky is going to fall, cluck, cluck. What would the chances be for the current President, when the worst the moe-ron that preceded him did was get passage for the Patriot Act?

And then, the lemmings were running around, imagining that some pervert at Fort Meade with a fi-fi Kleenex and a dab of KY jelly is listening to your cell-phone . . . and reading your inane self-spotlighting posts on Facebook?

And who did Snowden support in earlier elections, while we don't know exactly what happened to all those digital facsimiles -- now that we suddenly see more intense cyber-threats? And who defended Snowden?

 

[LegendKiller]

I don't think Trump, when he entered the race, ever seriously believed he had a chance at winning. It seems increasingly likely (though I still consider it improbable) that he will win the GOP nomination, however. My sense is that if that were to happen, Hillary would win in a landslide, and so while the wingbats who support Trump would be righteously pissed, it wouldn't give them much chance to try to undo the result.

I think the people who know me on these forums know I am not given to hyperbole, but I find the Trump ascendency genuinely scary. It was entertaining for a while, but it represents something very ugly about our nation and it sincerely troubles me that any significant number of people are stupid and/or misguided enough to support a person like Donald Trump as the President of the United States. All of his substantive policy positions (if I give them enough credit to call them substantive) are basically oriented toward an us-vs-them mentality toward immigrants and Muslims. In that sense he has no small amount in common with Hitler. I am not saying he would go down the same road as Hitler, of course, but do I trust him in any form or fashion? Hell no. He is a buffoon with a heart full of hatred.

Which us vs them has he advocated?

He has railed against illegals, as he rightly should. Should we not uphold our laws?

He has railed against radical islamists, as should anybody.

What I find interesting is that the left is so ready to attack white men, but so unwilling to attack radical islamists.

Come on how. A heart of hatred? That is pure hyperbole.

What is scary to me is that an entire country can get sold by the .01% into voting for empty suit politicians who don't give a fuck about them in order to perpetuate the .01%, and they clamor for more.

 

[Greenman]

You're kidding . . . you're so fwightened. The sky is going to fall, cluck, cluck. What would the chances be for the current President, when the worst the moe-ron that preceded him did was get passage for the Patriot Act?

And then, the lemmings were running around, imagining that some pervert at Fort Meade with a fi-fi Kleenex and a dab of KY jelly is listening to your cell-phone . . . and reading your inane self-spotlighting posts on Facebook?

And who did Snowden support in earlier elections, while we don't know exactly what happened to all those digital facsimiles -- now that we suddenly see more intense cyber-threats? And who defended Snowden?

Sarcasm, learn to identify it.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say something that's going to cause some who post here and already think I have a tremendous ego, to think it all over again, and that is that I don't worry much at all about Trump becoming President, and not because I don't think he doesn't have a chance, because I believe he has a very good chance, but because I think I'm sane. I think that fear of Trump is pathological. Whatever will happen will happen and I'm not responsible for it. The only things I can deal with are the things right in front of my face. I try to remember the words of Mayer Baba, "Relax and be happy". The only person I can protect from Trumpaphobia is me.

 

[Greenman]

Hyperbole and wild speculation is fun, but not productive.
In the unlikely event Trump wins the election, he won't become the God Emperor of the US, he'll be president and subject to the limitations and controls placed on him by the constitution.
When he losses he'll probably have a tantrum, make all sorts of dire predictions, then sign up for another tv show making 50 million a year.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sarcasm, learn to identify it.

I hope you're right. Personally I thought his stated fear is much more common than the fear of Trump. I am working on Moonie's Law that states something like "The presence of fear is inversely proportional to its probability.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Which us vs them has he advocated?

He has railed against illegals, as he rightly should. Should we not uphold our laws?

He has railed against radical islamists, as should anybody.

What I find interesting is that the left is so ready to attack white men, but so unwilling to attack radical islamists.

Come on how. A heart of hatred? That is pure hyperbole.

What is scary to me is that an entire country can get sold by the .01% into voting for empty suit politicians who don't give a fuck about them in order to perpetuate the .01%, and they clamor for more.

He has based much of his campaign on the wholly stupid and misguided idea that he can ship out the 12,000,000 undocumented people in the US. This is not only impossible, it would be ruinously expensive and would require an enormous enlargement of federal law enforcement (two things I don't consider consistent with Republican values).

He is not focused solely on Muslim extremists - he has called for a national registry of all Muslims. This is not only obviously unconstitutional, it is repugnant to anyone who cares about our values as a country.

You say liberals are reluctant to attack radical islamists, but I'd submit that is a complete misstatement and silly hyperbole (the same thing you've accused me of).

So I take it you are a Trump supporter? With that in mind, would you actually vote for him for President, either in the primary or the general election? Do you seriously believe he is Presidential material? My sense is that most of the people who support him in polls wouldn't seriously vote for him (and thus I consider Rubio the likeliest nominee by a significant margin), but I suppose anything is possible . . .

 

[Greenman]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say something that's going to cause some who post here and already think I have a tremendous ego, to think it all over again, and that is that I don't worry much at all about Trump becoming President, and not because I don't think he doesn't have a chance, because I believe he has a very good chance, but because I think I'm sane. I think that fear of Trump is pathological. Whatever will happen will happen and I'm not responsible for it. The only things I can deal with are the things right in front of my face. I try to remember the words of Mayer Baba, "Relax and be happy". The only person I can protect from Trumpaphobia is me.

Common sense. Pity it's not a lot more common.

 

[waggy]

You're kidding . . . you're so fwightened. The sky is going to fall, cluck, cluck. What would the chances be for the current President, when the worst the moe-ron that preceded him did was get passage for the Patriot Act?

And then, the lemmings were running around, imagining that some pervert at Fort Meade with a fi-fi Kleenex and a dab of KY jelly is listening to your cell-phone . . . and reading your inane self-spotlighting posts on Facebook?

And who did Snowden support in earlier elections, while we don't know exactly what happened to all those digital facsimiles -- now that we suddenly see more intense cyber-threats? And who defended Snowden?

LOL i don't think you actually get what he was saying.

 

[Moonbeam]

He has based much of his campaign on the wholly stupid and misguided idea that he can ship out the 12,000,000 undocumented people in the US. This is not only impossible, it would be ruinously expensive and would require an enormous enlargement of federal law enforcement (two things I don't consider consistent with Republican values).

He is not focused solely on Muslim extremists - he has called for a national registry of all Muslims. This is not only obviously unconstitutional, it is repugnant to anyone who cares about our values as a country.

You say liberals are reluctant to attack radical islamists, but I'd submit that is a complete misstatement and silly hyperbole (the same thing you've accused me of).

So I take it you are a Trump supporter? With that in mind, would you actually vote for him for President, either in the primary or the general election? Do you seriously believe he is Presidential material? My sense is that most of the people who support him in polls wouldn't seriously vote for him (and thus I consider Rubio the likeliest nominee by a significant margin), but I suppose anything is possible . . .

You left out that torture is ok and collateral damage from bombing the shit out of them is ok too because they deserve it.

 

[FrankRamiro]

Well i know he will not be elected,and you know why; because people only will vote for the same people over and over again ,those politicians that will continue to do nothing about gun control,letting people in this country easy, without real borders control, and so on,if a politician says i'm going to have real gun control, borders control,foreigners entering this country control,sure that politician wont be elect.and all these mass killing will be on the people's hands by voting on the same old crappy politicians ,just don't come here and cry about it.

 

[x26]

Do you remember in 2012 how Trump 'lost it' on TV and especially on Twitter after Obama got re-elected? I do.

But it's not only that I consider Trump a madman, also many of his followers.

Trump is either (mentally) so mad that he REALLY believes he'd win this election....or the entire thing is just some type of play, I really don't know looking at his tweets and whatever public appearances.

This man (and supporters) are convinced he'll win the election, while most of us and common sense etc. says there is not even remote chance this happening. He has not even the support of many of the Reps, let alone minorities, blacks, Latinos etc. I consider his chances ZERO.

So what will happen if they (Reps) will see a third land-slide loss (likely to Hilary) which is obvious for anyone BUT THEM.

Will they entirely flip? Will their brains explode?

Having seen Trump flipping out over Obama's win last time....no big deal, there he was just "some rich idiot"...but now he's a candidate himself and he and his supporters have even more reason to "flip out" when they lose.

Do you think Trump (and supporters) would *accept* a loss?

How would they accept a loss when he was already ranting in 2012 how the electoral college is a scam and they "should march on Washington" since in his/their sick mind the election was a fraud ..etc..

I mean 2000 elections with "recount, recount, recount" was already pretty bad....so you tell me what we can expect in 2016 when the Reps lose again. I am not exactly considering Trump "rational" whatsoever, he has such a pathological ego I have a hard time seeing/accepting them a loss.

I bet OP looks like his Avatar.

 

[LegendKiller]

He has based much of his campaign on the wholly stupid and misguided idea that he can ship out the 12,000,000 undocumented people in the US. This is not only impossible, it would be ruinously expensive and would require an enormous enlargement of federal law enforcement (two things I don't consider consistent with Republican values).

Ruinously expensive compared to what? Legalizing how many and then supporting them how much? How much does society already pay for them? Quite a bit.

How is it impossible?

How would it cause an enormous enlargement? Operation beautiful ray of sunshine did it at a fraction of what you are discussing.

Here's a simple step. $50,000 fine per day, per illegal. You want to hire them, fine. Try it.

He is not focused solely on Muslim extremists - he has called for a national registry of all Muslims. This is not only obviously unconstitutional, it is repugnant to anyone who cares about our values as a country.

You mean the ropeline interview where he wasn't even addressing the question?

You say liberals are reluctant to attack radical islamists, but I'd submit that is a complete misstatement and silly hyperbole (the same thing you've accused me of).

Ohh please, up till this week, and even after with Loretta Lynch, we were being told that this shit couldn't happen. That ISIS was contained. That there were no threats to the US. That anybody who called Clockboy a hoax was racist. That we are all racist for thinking anything bad about muslims.

Who said that shit? Liberals. So yeah, stick that down your pipe and smoke it.

So I take it you are a Trump supporter? With that in mind, would you actually vote for him for President, either in the primary or the general election? Do you seriously believe he is Presidential material? My sense is that most of the people who support him in polls wouldn't seriously vote for him (and thus I consider Rubio the likeliest nominee by a significant margin), but I suppose anything is possible . . .

I am a fuck you supporter. Fuck you to PC libtards who want to cuck the country. Fuck you to conservative businessmen who want to hire illegals over legals. Fuck you to libtards who want yet another minority group to give a fish to. Fuck you to the political class. Fuck you to the Clintons, the Bushes, the establishment. Fuck you to people who use almost non-existent "mass shootings" to blame white men for everything. Fuck you to BLM and the idiot Sanders. Fuck you to our President who goes on national TV to scold us for racism, but then perpetuates it through "Trayvon could have been my kid" or "Cool clock, bro". He is such a twitterhead idiot that the second he smells a strawman by which he can beat the nation to death on the altar of PC, he uses it.

That's what I am.

And I think people are seriously underestimating the fuck you vote.

 

[Blanky]

Do you think Trump (and supporters) would *accept* a loss?

LMFAO. You sound exactly as paranoid as the right wingers who have thought Obama would seize a third term.

Equally insane, just different sides of the aisle. I hope you can see that.

Trump's supporters will do exactly what other politicians' supporters do when they lose: bitch and moan and nothing else.

 

[LegendKiller]

LMFAO. You sound exactly as paranoid as the right wingers who have thought Obama would seize a third term.

Equally insane, just different sides of the aisle. I hope you can see that.

Trump's supporters will do exactly what other politicians' supporters do when they lose: bitch and moan and nothing else.

This. It's funny that the left is now stoking this fear of something else.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Ruinously expensive compared to what? Legalizing how many and then supporting them how much? How much does society already pay for them? Quite a bit.

How is it impossible?

How would it cause an enormous enlargement? Operation beautiful ray of sunshine did it at a fraction of what you are discussing.

Here's a simple step. $50,000 fine per day, per illegal.

You mean the ropeline interview where he wasn't even addressing the question?

Ohh please, up till this week, and even after with Loretta Lynch, we were being told that this shit couldn't happen. That ISIS was contained. That there were no threats to the US. That anybody who called Clockboy a hoax was racist. That we are all racist for thinking anything bad about muslims.

Who said that shit? Liberals. So yeah, stick that down your pipe and smoke it.

I am a fuck you supporter. Fuck you to PC libtards who want to cuck the country. Fuck you to conservative businessmen who want to hire illegals over legals. Fuck you to libtards who want yet another minority group to give a fish to. Fuck you to the political class. Fuck you to the Clintons, the Bushes, the establishment. Fuck you to people who use almost non-existent "mass shootings" to blame white men for everything. Fuck you to BLM and the idiot Sanders. Fuck you to our President who goes on national TV to scold us for racism, but then perpetuates it through "Trayvon could have been my kid" or "Cool clock, bro". He is such a twitterhead idiot that the second he smells a strawman by which he can beat the nation to death on the altar of PC, he uses it.

That's what I am.

And I think people are seriously underestimating the fuck you vote.

I consider the better part of a trillion dollars "ruinously expensive." http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/17/deporting-undocumented-workers-would-be-very-costly.html

I don't see the point of the $50K/day fine you propose - what is the point of assessing enormous fines against people who make, on average, well under minimum wage? The administrative costs of assessing fines like that would far exceed what could conceivably be recovered. Do you believe there is a single undocumented immigrant in the US who could afford to pay $50K per day? Hint: there isn't.

So the upshot is that you're one of the angry wingbats who supports Trump, because your anger exceeds your love for your country. Speaking as a patriot who has served my country in uniform and loves America, take your "fuck you" vote and fuck off out of this country.

 

[LegendKiller]

I consider the better part of a trillion dollars "ruinously expensive." http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/17/deporting-undocumented-workers-would-be-very-costly.html

I don't see the point of the $50K/day fine you propose - what is the point of assessing enormous fines against people who make, on average, well under minimum wage? The administrative costs of assessing fines like that would far exceed what could conceivably be recovered. Do you believe there is a single undocumented immigrant in the US who could afford to pay $50K per day? Hint: there isn't/

Again, what is the other side of the equation? I bet we would spend far more than the better part of a trillion dollars on keeping them here and keeping the border open. How many millions can't get jobs because an illegal beats them out? How much are wages suppressed by a greater supply of illegal workers than the market can bear (supply vs demand, more supply, lower wage, duh).

You don't get it. You don't fine the worker, you fine the employer. Utilize e-verify. Do random site inspections, IRS intelligence, simple databases...etc and hammer employers.

When the employees can't get work, they will leave.

So the upshot is that you're one of the angry wingbats who supports Trump, because your anger exceeds your love for your country. Speaking as a patriot who has served my country in uniform and loves America, go fuck yourself.

Does that make your vote worth more? No, it doesn't. My vote, my voice, is just as equally as important.

What's hilarious is that you pretend to be so learned, so knowledgable about the law, so reasoned, but you can't know dick about economics, or reality. I know you live in MN. Why don't you go ask some MN deck contractors, or painters, or roofers, whether they employ illegals. If they don't, ask them what it is like to compete against those that do.

I have asked many and all say that they are constantly underbid by people who hire illegals. Those are semi-skilled labor jobs Americans will do.

You are a patriot eh? Then uphold the laws.

Funny how I could just get you to debase yourself. How? Because you ARE no better than a Trump supporter. Nobody is. We are all the same, some of us just acknowledge it more readily than others. You wrap yourself in some faux righteous morality of helping the world by accepting them into this country wholesale while screaming racism or bigotry. You just fool yourself to impress others.

You're no different. As you can see from above. You have to pull out your "I SERVED, SHUT UP!" card (nice us vs you, eh?). No better than a racism card. Pathetic.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I consider the better part of a trillion dollars "ruinously expensive." http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/17/deporting-undocumented-workers-would-be-very-costly.html

I don't see the point of the $50K/day fine you propose - what is the point of assessing enormous fines against people who make, on average, well under minimum wage? The administrative costs of assessing fines like that would far exceed what could conceivably be recovered. Do you believe there is a single undocumented immigrant in the US who could afford to pay $50K per day? Hint: there isn't/

So the upshot is that you're one of the angry wingbats who supports Trump, because your anger exceeds your love for your country. Speaking as a patriot who has served my country in uniform and loves America, take your "fuck you" vote and fuck off out of this country.

Bravo! Bravo!

Brother, you almost kept your temper through that, while I was thinking I would lose it completely. I can rest my fingers.

 

[ivwshane]

I consider the better part of a trillion dollars "ruinously expensive." http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/17/deporting-undocumented-workers-would-be-very-costly.html

I don't see the point of the $50K/day fine you propose - what is the point of assessing enormous fines against people who make, on average, well under minimum wage? The administrative costs of assessing fines like that would far exceed what could conceivably be recovered. Do you believe there is a single undocumented immigrant in the US who could afford to pay $50K per day? Hint: there isn't/

So the upshot is that you're one of the angry wingbats who supports Trump, because your anger exceeds your love for your country. Speaking as a patriot who has served my country in uniform and loves America, take your "fuck you" vote and fuck off out of this country.

In less defense (I feel dirty for saying that), he's talking about fining businesses 50k per day, not individuals.

 

[waggy]

I consider the better part of a trillion dollars "ruinously expensive." http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/17/deporting-undocumented-workers-would-be-very-costly.html

I don't see the point of the $50K/day fine you propose - what is the point of assessing enormous fines against people who make, on average, well under minimum wage? The administrative costs of assessing fines like that would far exceed what could conceivably be recovered. Do you believe there is a single undocumented immigrant in the US who could afford to pay $50K per day? Hint: there isn't.

So the upshot is that you're one of the angry wingbats who supports Trump, because your anger exceeds your love for your country. Speaking as a patriot who has served my country in uniform and loves America, take your "fuck you" vote and fuck off out of this country.

so fucking what? just because you serve means jack shit in this.


The 50k a day was not on the person working its on the business that continues to knowingly hire them. I have no problem with this actually. We had a company in town that would hire illegal immigrants. They would get busted then hire US citizens for $5-7 more an hour. then gradually fire them or do "shift layoff's" just to rehire the shift full of immigrants at min wage. they were busted a few times for paying below min wage. finally they were finned so much and so often they finally just moved.

 

[LegendKiller]

so fucking what? just because you serve means jack shit in this.


The 50k a day was not on the person working its on the business that continues to knowingly hire them. I have no problem with this actually. We had a company in town that would hire illegal immigrants. They would get busted then hire US citizens for $5-7 more an hour. then gradually fire them or do "shift layoff's" just to rehire the shift full of immigrants at min wage. they were busted a few times for paying below min wage. finally they were finned so much and so often they finally just moved.

Funny how he derides Trump in his "us vs them" mentality, then quickly resorts to "us vs them" when he pretty much gets trashed on every point he has.

He just fools himself into thinking he is smarter than a Trump supporter. In reality, he isn't. He isn't better. He isn't more educated. He isn't less bigoted.

As most people who will accuse Trump of racism ignore, the economics of massive illegal workers suppress wages and displaces American workers. It is simple supply vs demand.