I am a smoker, the BBQ type.

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Ns1

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Traegers are awesome devices. It makes barbecue as easy as using an over. However, it does take some artistry away from it- kind of like synthesizers replacing actual instruments. None the less- I still want one :)

I mean. aren't pellet grills basically the sous vide machines of the BBQ world?
 

Fritzo

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Moving to half an acre.


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No, no it's not. The price difference isn't large enough to impact my decision making on this one.

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Have you ever cooked brisket before? They're a bit challenging if you don't prep them right. Personally I separate the point and the flat so you have two pieces of meat and it doesn't take up as much room. You get better control that way as well.
 
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Ns1

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Have you ever cooked brisket before? They're a bit challenging if you don't prep them right. Personally I separate the point and the flat so you have two pieces of meat and it doesn't take up as much room. You get better control that way as well.

Nope, but the point is I will want to smoke brisket (and/or large quantities of items), and when that time comes I don't want to cut that shit in half or have to buy another smoker.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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One of my dad's best friend's used to be a merchant marine back in the late 60s. He brought over like a dozen original Kamado ovens back then and recently gifted one to me (my dad has two bigs and a little one himself). Mines from like 1969 I think.

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Haha I read back up the page a bit and realized I already bragged about this thing back when the thread was last current. Oh well, now there's a pic.
 

ponyo

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No, no it's not. The price difference isn't large enough to impact my decision making on this one.

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I never had problem with beef brisket packer cut not fitting on my 18.5 WSM. Same with full rack of spare ribs. For me, being able to fit spare ribs laying down flat is the most important as I foil the ribs. But if you really need the space of the 22", get it.
 

ponyo

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Nope, but the point is I will want to smoke brisket (and/or large quantities of items), and when that time comes I don't want to cut that shit in half or have to buy another smoker.

You can fit large amount of food on the 18.5. It has two grates.
 

ponyo

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Beef brisket is difficult meat to smoke. I tried twice but felt it wasn't worth the effort. But I love smoking spare ribs. It's so easy if you foil. It's impossible to mess up.
 

Kaido

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I mean. aren't pellet grills basically the sous vide machines of the BBQ world?

Yup. Consistent results with dirt-simple operation. Like the Anova, once you nail down a Traeger recipe, it comes out pretty much the exact same way every time (assuming you're using equal quantities of meat).
 

Fritzo

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Nope, but the point is I will want to smoke brisket (and/or large quantities of items), and when that time comes I don't want to cut that shit in half or have to buy another smoker.

I guess I'm saying you SHOULD cut a brisket in half :D A whole brisket is actually two cuts of meat:

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You cut it diagonally down that line and smoke the meat separated. It will come out a lot better than leaving it whole.

(There's also a whole class on trimming the fat to about 1/8" on the cap and removing the silverskin, but we'll talk later on that).
 
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Fritzo

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Beef brisket is difficult meat to smoke. I tried twice but felt it wasn't worth the effort. But I love smoking spare ribs. It's so easy if you foil. It's impossible to mess up.

It's an unforgiving cut, mostly because they have to be prepped properly and cooked for 12+ hours below 250F or they'll dry out. Where pork shoulder would be the easiest mean to BBQ, brisket would be a medium to medium-difficult skill level.
 

Ns1

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I guess I'm saying you SHOULD cut a brisket in half :D A whole brisket is actually two cuts of meat:

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You cut it diagonally down that line and smoke the meat separated. It will come out a lot better than leaving it whole.

(There's also a whole class on trimming the fat to about 1/8" on the cap and removing the silverskin, but we'll talk later on that).

Isn't the other option throwing the whole thing in, then cutting off the point when the flat is finished and then turning the point into burnt ends?

Or do you do the point independently of the flat (i.e. Fatty vs lean brisket) and then the very top of the point gets turned burnt ends? I forget and too lazy to google.
 

Ns1

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It's an unforgiving cut, mostly because they have to be prepped properly and cooked for 12+ hours below 250F or they'll dry out.

I don't think John Mueller agrees with this assessment
 

Fritzo

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Isn't the other option throwing the whole thing in, then cutting off the point when the flat is finished and then turning the point into burnt ends?

The problem with doing that is you get the edges done nicely, but the center doesn't get enough heat and gets tough. You can leave it whole and just remove the "fat wedge" between the two cuts, or you can wrap the brisket when it hits the 160F stall and that will help you do the job, but it's easilest to separate them.
 
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Ns1

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I'm actually really looking forward to trying beef back ribs and short ribs. Anyone got any tips there?

Seems like for beef back ribs, half the battle is sourcing ribs with meat on them.
 

Scarpozzi

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Smoking is easy to do....it's actually probably the easiest way to cook anything, but easy doesn't mean it's less time consuming.... Too many people overthink it. The basics though are to know how much smoke to use (varies by cut/type of meat and type of wood) and to know how long to smoke it. I typically will hit a pork roast with smoke in the first 1-2 hours and then maybe again 4 hours into cooking in my smoker/slow cooker. I try not to oversmoke pork, but it's even more important with poultry. Turkey can stand up to smoke better than chicken and you can end up with a acidic-tasting bird if you're not careful that would be more foul than fowl.

The toughest thing about smoking meat is to make sure you cook the meat long enough without overcooking it. What does that mean? The correct internal temperature range for the cut you're working with. Then the challenge is to decide if the cut or type of meat is prone to drying out if it takes more than a few hours to cook it. That's where you can brine your roasts and even cook smaller cuts of meat (5-7 lbs max) above 350 degrees. I've actually had my father misunderstand me in my charcoal smoker and flash-smoke 24lbs of meat in 3-4 hours to perfection....I have no idea how the smoker didn't combust with the amount of heat it probably had in the firebox. Luckily, the roasts were prepped and weren't cold when they started or they wouldn't have been done on the inside.

The real control is when you slow the cooking down by dropping the temperature. It makes the process much more relaxed to get to the same internal temps without overcooking the outside. Like I said, the whole thing is easy if you don't overthink it and just realize the goals of the cooking method.

I recently had smoked duck under glass as part of a 10 course in a fancy sit-down restaurant (I won't tell you how much I paid for that meal). The chef told me before he unveiled the duck that it had only been smoked seconds before they brought it to the table. The smoke, in that short time, was so very potent that it was all the duck needed to almost overpower the dish. Just saying, smoke is effective and hickory, especially should be used in proper quantities so it doesn't ruin the natural flavors of the meat. My best bbq ratings have been from the times I went lighter on the smoke.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
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Smoked duck under glass? Was that some Alinea level shit or what.
 

Scarpozzi

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I'm actually really looking forward to trying beef back ribs and short ribs. Anyone got any tips there?

Seems like for beef back ribs, half the battle is sourcing ribs with meat on them.
I prefer twice-cooked short ribs braised in red wine and vegetable stock and stored overnight in the fridge. I probably have my recipe for that, but the concept is to basically melt all the fat from the rib and the meat itself tenderizes by the long process. I've not tried them in a smoker before. I prefer whole racks of ribs and usually grill them with a few charcoal briquettes in a aluminum dish on the grill. I always feel like ribs need more direct heat.
 

Fritzo

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I'm actually really looking forward to trying beef back ribs and short ribs. Anyone got any tips there?

Seems like for beef back ribs, half the battle is sourcing ribs with meat on them.

They're hard to find- you need the front ribs for any meat, and those are usually used in other cuts. I've never found beef ribs worth the effort.
 

zinfamous

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I guess I'm saying you SHOULD cut a brisket in half :D A whole brisket is actually two cuts of meat:

FlatPoint.jpg


You cut it diagonally down that line and smoke the meat separated. It will come out a lot better than leaving it whole.

(There's also a whole class on trimming the fat to about 1/8" on the cap and removing the silverskin, but we'll talk later on that).

Here's Aaron Franklin trimming a brisket (try not to be jealous of the quality brisket that Aaron Franklin has access to. Just accept that the rest of us are peasants and move along)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaMgt1Altys
 
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