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Originally posted by: ThePresence
So basically what you're saying is, believe just because. Any questions about why someone should believe will eventually be answered after death. Don't you see the paradox in that? It's one thing if it's a perephial question, but this glaring question is something which would cause one not to believe. Why then would a level-headed person believe?
And when you say if you knew the answer to this there would be no room for faith, I have some problems with that as well.
Firstly, you and a few others attempted to answer it earlier, and I assume they all consider themselves faithful.
Secondly this topic is not the end-all of Christian dogma. Even if someone knew the answer to this question, it would still require a lot of faith to be a Christian. It just might make someone more comfortable with it.
EDIT: And lastly, it does seem like a cop-out. Any religion can answer any question you may have about it in the same manner. You'll find out after you die, for now just believe.
Greetings
Bus's answer was a good one. The problem lies in that Bus does not know it all and neither do I. You know nothing about a subject you do not investigate. To investigate Christianity one must read the Word and spend time in it. Even just reading the whole book as a document will give you much insight into this God of ours. Then, at some point, you are presented with the idea that you either believe it because of its source and what kind of source that is and the intentions and desires of that source or not.
Note: Ultimatly it is God drawing one to Him that finishes the process. That is why there can be a Preacher that is a closet alchoholic and uses protitution regularly. That preacher is not born again and that he is living in his sin prooves it. Someone born again will still sin. But they are not going to destroy their lives and other over long periods of time (linving in sin).
There are many more questions. But when you understand that nature of God it is easy to understand a very good and significant amount of a particular question. Excluding things like how long was x at y. Simply checking will answer this. But questions like the one you posed is what you can answer even though God may not answer that particular question in His Word.
Faith is not something we create and have. It is a gift from God and it is derived from the Faith of the Son in the Father. That is the only faith not of Works. Any faith I create is of works and of little value. God drawing me, teaching me, purifying me, molding me, tempering me, and protecting me is where these things come from.
Again, there have been people that have never met a missionary or human teacher per se. But they still know the law of God as good and the missionary that runs into them out in the jungle. How that exactly occures I can not answer. But it has. And there will be others that never come to know God/Jesus and they will most likely go to Hell. Why? Because of God's perfect rightious decision. He makes some vessels for wrath and some for rightiousness. We all are hell bound to start. Some are called and fewer answer.
Peace and Blessings
Peace and Blessings
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Originally posted by: 3NF
I feel it is my responsibility to spread this message,
http://www.rael.org
I didn't grow up in a religious family so I wasn't brainwashed and conditioned as a child to believe in any one particular faith. As an adult, like many others, I want to understand our origin. I flat out don't believe in evolution because of the beauty and complexity of life around me - Intelligent Design.
I would prefer if you didn't say that we were brainwashed. It is taking all my might not to respond in a negative manner, I would appreciate it if you did the same. Thanks.
So was it God or Aliens? When I first read Rael's book I was overcome with a feeling of understanding I can't even describe. It touched on points that I always thought about prior to first reading it.
1. Life was genetically engineered by aliens. Immortality can one day be achieved through science. Cloning the body and transferring the memory from the old body to the new. Sounds like science fiction now, but I truly believe it will happen one day.
Does this person have any evidence to support that there is extra-terrestrial life? The Bible has been passed down since an unspecified date in the BC time period. We also have evidence that Jesus was on this earth outside of the Bible IIRC.
2. There is a switch somewhere in our body that controls aging, or perhaps it's coded into our genetic instructions. According to Rael's book, this is true and there is a mechanism (surgical procedure) that can allow us to live 10 times longer than we do. It explains why some of the folks in the Bible lived to close to a 1000 years.
I don't mean to bash your point; however, the people (Such as Moses) who lived a long period of time lived far in the BC era. You believe that they had the technology to perform the said procedure? Additionally, in all the analysis we have done of the body why have we never discovered said technique?
3. As a society, we can completely function adequately without the use of money. Someday, science will allow us to create life (robots) that can perform the meaningless tasks in life that no one should have to do, like selling sandwiches, collecting trash, etc. Life should be about thinking, being creative, and loving one another unconditionally. It should not be about living to exist. Through science & love, it is possible that man can create "heaven". Why do we need to go to some cloud?
So what will all those people who have been "displaced" do? Do they just become part of the number of homeless people in this world? Additionally, you believe that because we wouldn't have to do existence type jobs, that would make it like heaven??? What about the numerous killings that happen each day? What about Natural Disasters? What about poverty? And most of all, what about the lack of being with God??
4. Mankind will gut himself in the end. I used to say this jokingly all the time, and according to Rael's book, the Elohim give us a 1% chance of not destroying ourself. We can't possibly move forward if we keep turning on ourselves.
Ok, first who is Elohim? Second chance, we aren't turning on ourselves. The people, extremeists, who feel they cannot coexist with one another are killing people (Along with Murders and other anomalies to that example). I don't believe we will wipe ourselves out, but how is this Elohim qualified to answer this
5. Aliens are not evil. We see all these movies about aliens coming to wipe out the planet. While it's enjoyable and fun to watch, it isn't very likely. I used to say to myself, any species that has evolved to the point of interstellar travel is NOT likely to be evil. If they were evil, they would have killed themselves long before reaching that level of technology.
Ok.......assuming they exist, what proof do we have. Any ancient manuscripts. Any evidence what so ever? What makes you believe that they would have killed themselves long before they reached that level of technology, why?
6. Homosexuality is NORMAL. I am not gay myself, but I will never look down upon anyone who is. It is genetic, just as the color of your skin, the type of hair you have, etc. We have leaders today, religious leaders, who say it is immoral. How stupid!
It is immoral. However, it is no more immoral than me lying, or if I were (Though I will not) have pre-marital sex, or if I killed something. Us humans put weight on the sin, whereas God judges them all equally (Except Blasphemy which is concerned the biggest sin- Even so you can still ask for forgiveness. I would also remind you that, Christians are not the only ones who believe this. I personally do not believe it is how God intended for people to be, therefore it is sin (But the same sin that I commit everyday when I lie, or think of a person lustfully- God doesn't keep tally.
I could go on, but I'll stopWhen I read it I couldn't believe there were people out there who think like me (Raelians). In my opinion, this book offers far more hope for humanity than the interpretation of the bible today and the other organized religions can provide.
As an adult, this books makes far more sense than any Christian interpretation of the bible. Convince me - why should I believe Christianity over Raelianism?
I'm sorry I wish I could argue this further with you, and I apologize if I sound harsh, but this cult (And yes it would be classified as a cult) is SOOOOO far out there.
-Kevin
Theres a nice little chart here. It would honestly be nice if you at least tried to research issues before questioning them.
Please try to find a reason to dismiss them besides the fact that you don't believe dating methods are accurate.
SlitheryDee already did that quite nicely
I don't understand your point. Are you claiming that the tissue is not millions of years old because it would be unusual for it to be preserved? That doesn't make sense.
You don't need a Christian website to point out the possible flaws in potassium argon dating. What matters is how likely these flaws are to occur (not very often). Even if errors occur 95% of the time there would still be enough accurate dates from the method to discredit the 6000 year earth theory.
List of dating methods here. Look at Uranium-Lead
Nobody knows how the big bang occured, however that is not relevant. The existence of cosmic background radiation alone is enough evidence to show that it did occur.
You cannot dismiss all the evidence for evolution on the fact that we don't yet know whether abiogenesis is possible.
Read the book for answers to your questions. It's free - just download it. If you don't like it, delete the pdf file. It's that simple.
I'm not going to try to convince anyone of this, I'm just passing along the message. Here are the 5 main points.
1. Elohim means in ancient Hebrew ?those that came from the sky?.
2. Apocalypse means in ancient Greek ?revelation? not the end of the world. Science will reveal to mankind the thruth of our origins.
3. All forms of life on earth including man is the genetic creation of the Elohim through the work of genetic artist and DNA synthesis. They created us in their image.
4. They have sent their final messenger ?Rael?
5. They want us to build an embassy to welcome our creator preferably in Israel.
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BS. I speak fluent Hebrew. Elohim is a name for God, the name usued when he's sitting in judgement.
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I'm sorry, this is going to come off very harsh but, I cannot argue against something that has no basis in itself. The cult has nothing to stand on!
I opened that book of beliefs (3NF), I'm sorry, but do you honestly believe this?? I have no way of arguing against "The Flying Saucers of Ezekiel"!
Also, why didn't you respond to any of my responses? Please, I honestly don't understand how, while they couldn't cure even the most basic illnesses, they certainly could perform a complex operation in which they flick a "switch" (Note: In all anatomical studies we still have not found said switch).
I am extremely sorry if I came off harsh, but, as I said earlier, it is SO incredibly far out there.
-Kevin
Edit: Last I checked Elohim means "God" | I seriously doubt Apocalypse means "revelation" in Greek- though I don't speak it so I could very well be wrong.
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: ThePresence
So basically what you're saying is, believe just because. Any questions about why someone should believe will eventually be answered after death. Don't you see the paradox in that? It's one thing if it's a perephial question, but this glaring question is something which would cause one not to believe. Why then would a level-headed person believe?
And when you say if you knew the answer to this there would be no room for faith, I have some problems with that as well.
Firstly, you and a few others attempted to answer it earlier, and I assume they all consider themselves faithful.
Secondly this topic is not the end-all of Christian dogma. Even if someone knew the answer to this question, it would still require a lot of faith to be a Christian. It just might make someone more comfortable with it.
EDIT: And lastly, it does seem like a cop-out. Any religion can answer any question you may have about it in the same manner. You'll find out after you die, for now just believe.
I think what may be confusing is misrepresenting the opportunity of all people to hear the gospel with death bed repentance. There is a very big difference. All people will have the opportunity to hear the gospel, but if you turn it down while on the Earth, that's it. There's no second chance in Heaven. They do not go to heaven period. If not saved they go to Hell and there is no 2nd chance there.
There is one main purpose to coming here that all people will fulfill, and that's gaining a body. Regardless of how we conduct ourselves here, we will have a body in the life to come. However, the other purposes of life will not be fulfilled automatically. The first chapter of Genesis tell us part to the purpose of life is to 1) learn the good from the evil, 2) have joy, 3) reproduce, and 4) prove worthy to return to God. All of these will be available to all people at some point in time, whether in this life or the life to come.
Actually the 3rd chapter not the first, but no real big mistake. The purpose to come here is because that is what God created us for. He created the universe and man and he created them and they were very good. Though God is in all time and thus saw what would happen, still, this was to be the place for us to walk with Him. Not some other place. Man was by made by God for Good and it was good/perfect/rightiouis. But Sin entered in and man fell. But that was not to be the original intended state.
I think people make a mistake in believing that immediately after death you will be surrounded by angel and Heavenly beings and it will be very easy and simple to know what is true and right. This is not the case. The location reserved for those who have not heard or accepted the gospel prior to Judgment day was called a prison. Now I don't think this prison is like the local pen, but it definitely won't be the nice, beautiful, proving God exist type of place.
For instance, I would say it would probably be almost exactly as the Earth is now. People may think rather than dying, they have just been reincarnated. Therefore, there's nothing that says "God exist and you must now worship him". So when you hear the gospel there, what is going to make you any more desirous to accept it then as apposed to now? The goal isn't to make it easier for people to accept the gospel. It's only to ensure everyone has the opportunity.
Kind of confusing. When people die they are either saved or not saved. Saved are absent from the flesh and present with the Father. There is a reckoning for the saved, but they have been pardoned from Judgement day. Else double jepardy. Unsaved go to a place of silence and wait until Judgement day. On Judgement day they will be judged, found lacking, and cast into hell. Hell right now is not a litteral place. On Judgement day hell will become a very real place. And God will not be there holding back anyones sin as He does now. Thus Nashing of Teath and smoke and everything bad for eternity.
Does that make sense?
Greetings,
Some of the above needs clarifying or correction.
Do you speak Ancient Hebrew? I think there is debate over how it was used back then and I'm not sure if anyone really knows. Overtime, meanings change, just as the information in the Bible has changed via translations. Actually, I've always wondered what version of the Bible is best to read? King James, Darby, etc? I have no idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
Gamingphreek - read the book
Apocalypse doesn't necessarily mean the end of the world.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocolypse
As for your other questions, read the book
I'm not here to convince you or suggest that you leave your faith. I'm just proposing an alternative opinion. As I said before, I didn't grow up in a religious environment and so I stand here with two books, Rael's book in one hand, and the Bible in the other. How can anyone say that one is more correct than the other?At this point, I'd have to go with my interaction between these two sets of people. My experience with other Raelians has been nothing but love and fraternity. They have a simple motto - respect yourself and others. People who don't judge based on color, race, gender, sexuality, etc. On the other hand, my experience with Christians & Catholics has been very unappealing. Here already Christians are showing animosity towards me, Christians who think homosexuality is crime and is immoral, etc. Their values are so deeply rooted in the past.
If I were to meet a Christian in person, I would have nothing but respect for that person. On the other, the Christian or Catholic would probably want to burn me. It's a no brainer what side I want to be on
Greetings,
Excellent! Now there is an oportunity before you to thank and bless and praise God for taking care of one of His sheep that may be some distance from the fold. Or, one can look at how lucky they are, how networking saved your skin, how your pleasent attitude and nice smile are what won the day, etc.
Very happy for you. Life is hard. Few know it as much as I do. But He must purify us first. And an unbroken man can not come to God. We have to go on His terms.
Peace or blessings
Originally posted by: 3NF
I feel it is my responsibility to spread this message,
http://www.rael.org
I didn't grow up in a religious family so I wasn't brainwashed and conditioned as a child to believe in any one particular faith. As an adult, like many others, I want to understand our origin. I flat out don't believe in evolution because of the beauty and complexity of life around me - Intelligent Design.
So was it God or Aliens? When I first read Rael's book I was overcome with a feeling of understanding I can't even describe. It touched on points that I always thought about prior to first reading it.
1. Life was genetically engineered by aliens. Immortality can one day be achieved through science. Cloning the body and transferring the memory from the old body to the new. Sounds like science fiction now, but I truly believe it will happen one day.
2. There is a switch somewhere in our body that controls aging, or perhaps it's coded into our genetic instructions. According to Rael's book, this is true and there is a mechanism (surgical procedure) that can allow us to live 10 times longer than we do. It explains why some of the folks in the Bible lived to close to a 1000 years.
3. As a society, we can completely function adequately without the use of money. Someday, science will allow us to create life (robots) that can perform the meaningless tasks in life that no one should have to do, like selling sandwiches, collecting trash, etc. Life should be about thinking, being creative, and loving one another unconditionally. It should not be about living to exist. Through science & love, it is possible that man can create "heaven". Why do we need to go to some cloud?
4. Mankind will gut himself in the end. I used to say this jokingly all the time, and according to Rael's book, the Elohim give us a 1% chance of not destroying ourself. We can't possibly move forward if we keep turning on ourselves.
5. Aliens are not evil. We see all these movies about aliens coming to wipe out the planet. While it's enjoyable and fun to watch, it isn't very likely. I used to say to myself, any species that has evolved to the point of interstellar travel is NOT likely to be evil. If they were evil, they would have killed themselves long before reaching that level of technology.
6. Homosexuality is NORMAL. I am not gay myself, but I will never look down upon anyone who is. It is genetic, just as the color of your skin, the type of hair you have, etc. We have leaders today, religious leaders, who say it is immoral. How stupid!
I could go on, but I'll stop
As an adult, this books makes far more sense than any Christian interpretation of the bible. Convince me - why should I believe Christianity over Raelianism?
Greetings,
There is nothing I could say to persuade you of anything you do not want to believe. Rael apparently wrote something and that book rings true for people that everything else rings false for.
They say there are no athiests in a fox hole. Winston Churchhill said something to the effect of if you are not liberal when your young and conservative when you are old there is something wrong.
Books that teach that one is not responsible to anyone else and that they are compleatly in control of thier lives and such are very beautiful books indeed for some. However, too often, when something bad enough happens that shows one how little control they have, there is growth and a change.
I would expect that if there were not a God that this world would be perfect. Either evolution or the aliens would have programmed it in.
Peace and Blessings
ThePresence
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I was almost positive you would try to draw a distinction between modern and ancient Hebrew. Sure, there are differences between todays spoken Hebrew and the Hebrew of the Bible, but it's very similiar. Additionally, pretty much all Jewish religious texts have always used the old form of Hebrew which the Bible or Torah was written in. I have studied Jewish religious texts extensively for years, so yes, I would say I have a very good grasp of Biblical Hebrew, which is referred to by Jews as Lashon HaKodesh, or the Holy Language.
Greetings,
God created Adam as a fully realized man. Adam was not birthed and he was not an infant or a juvenile. He appeared into this universe as he was, full grown man. I suspect God can quite easily do the same thing to the universe and what not. Speak it into existance as if it started small and has spend billions of years expanding.
Peace and Blessings
Yes, just as I said. There is no second chance. You'll see that right before your little bolded comment.
Yes, I meant to say first part of Genesis, not first chapter, as this is actually contained in chapter two as well.
As for the rest, sin was intended. The fall of man was planned and accounted for. In genesis is says man has become as God, knowing good from evil. So tell me how that is possible without sin? We are destined and able to overcome sin and return to God, but sin must still exist in order for us to overcome it.
Yes, that is correct. What you're neglecting and what I'm saying is that those that never had the opportunity to hear the gospel and receive the saving ordinances will have that opportunity.
Wrong. All people are resurrected prior to the day of Judgment, thus reunited with their body. Any absence from the flesh is only temporary until they are resurrected.
No one is exempt from Judgment, even the saved. All who have ever sinned will be judged. Unless you believe that saved people have never sinned, then they can not be exempt from Judgment day. They may be pardoned during Judgment, but they are not exempt from Judgment. They're just essentially termed innocent.
I don't know about the silence, but they do go to 'prison' where those who have never heard the gospel have the opportunity. This must be such that all may be judged the same. 1 Peter 4:6.
On this we agree, though I doubt our ideas of hell are the same.
What do you mean by holding back anyones sin?
Clarified. No correction needed.
Gamingphreek
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Originally posted by: 3NF
Do you speak Ancient Hebrew? I think there is debate over how it was used back then and I'm not sure if anyone really knows. Overtime, meanings change, just as the information in the Bible has changed via translations. Actually, I've always wondered what version of the Bible is best to read? King James, Darby, etc? I have no idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
Gamingphreek - read the book
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocolypse
As for your other questions, read the book
We are able to prove that book wrong. Please answer this question. In ancient times, they didn't have the technology to make toothbrush or perform operations. HOWEVER you are claiming that they DID extremely complex operations on one another and flipped a switch enabling them to live long. How is that possible? Also How is it possible that throughout our analysis of the human body, we have never ever found the said switch?
Finally, we can also prove it wrong, because, as cells divide, I believe the Mitochondria become more and more fatigued each time. So they would have to operate on each individual cell, in ancient times, and reconstruct the mitochondria- Something we are still not able to do today.
Additionally, that cult was founded by ONE person. Who is to say that person is completely stable. He is preaching that aliens engineered God, or Elohim as you say, and then God relayed their message. How were they created? If they aren't supernatural SOMETHING had to create them. The Bible was written by hundreds of people. All of which have coinciding stories. There is virtually no chance that thousands upon thousands of people had been tricked.
Furthermore, you are now claiming that Aliens are real. Is there any evidence? Faith is all well and good, but when a single human creates it, it could be argued to be blind faith.
At this point, I'd have to go with my interaction between these two sets of people. My experience with other Raelians has been nothing but love and fraternity.
Which is what every religion preaches; however, we are all human
They have a simple motto - respect yourself and others. People who don't judge based on color, race, gender, sexuality, etc.
Again, the same thing that everyone preaches; however we are all human
On the other hand, my experience with Christians & Catholics has been very unappealing. Here already Christians are showing animosity towards me,
Can you honestly blame us? Try as we might to remain completely respectful, you are telling us that Aliens bioengineered us, that God isn't real, that we can survive without money (Already been proven false- Socialism anyone?) etc... I have really honestly tried to keep a respectful tone, but as I said earlier, your point is SO EXTREME, that it is hard to remain as thus.
Christians who think homosexuality is crime and is immoral, etc. Their values are so deeply rooted in the past.
What does the past have anything to do with this? The Bible merely defines marriage as between a man and a woman. As I said earlier, it is immoral, but no more immoral than me lying or thinking lustfully. It is humans who place the weight on the sin, NOT God. God doesn't even keep track of sin!
If I were to meet a Christian in person, I would have nothing but respect for that person. On the other, the Christian or Catholic would probably want to burn me.
Why would they want to burn you. I am really interested in what people you have talked to that claim to be Christians. You seem to have a very skewed version of what Christians believe, through no fault of your own. I would be more than happy to attempt to answer any questions you have and attempt to lead in God's image where others have not been able to
It's a no brainer what side I want to be on
Gamingphreek
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I certainly hope not. Who told you that? You might want to look into reading Revelations where Paul speaks of "Judgement Day".
Furthermore, if we ask for forgiveness, and mean it with all of our heart, and with all of our soul, then we can walk with God and enjoy his gift of eternal life. Nothing can take that away from us. All we need to do is ask...
Jesus has already died to save us. There is no waiting. As I said earlier, all anyone has to do is ask for forgiveness from any sins. There is, and never was, any evidence of this "purgatory" or limbo type state.
Jesus died to save us. Everyone is saved. It is up to us whether to accept that gift.
I suggest you read the story of the resurrection again. I would also advise that you read the most quotable verse in the bible John 3:16. "For God so loved the world, the he gave his only son, for that those who believe in him, may not perish, but have eternal life". As I keep stating, all one needs to do is ask for forgiveness and mean it (God knows whether you mean it or not).
Not to crash your beliefs, but I am very curious as to why you are spreading this. Are you Jewish and do not believe that Jesus was the messiah or what? Any Christian will tell you exactly what I have told just now.
-Kevin
Gamingphreek
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Without responding in a condescending tone, when have you seen MILLIONS of people tricked into seeing something that was not really there? The chance one person was tricked is possible, but it increases exponentially as more and more people witness the spectacle (The feeding of the multitudes for instance)
-Kevin
Life exists solely to serve the purpose of God in one way or another. Say this tribe of theoretical jungle people finally make contact with the outside world. The son of 2 of the people who died before hearing about Jesus (and experience what we talked about earlier) goes out into the world and becomes a Christian. He then goes back to his tribe and tells them all about Jesus and many become saved.
The purpose of the life of those two people was indirectly to save their people from damnation. This is just one of many ways their lives can serve God's purpose in his grand plan.
Let me clear something up about my comments about hearing about Jesus after death. I do not believe it happens in Heaven, as someone else stated if you can see heaven surely you would believe the Bible and the stories about Jesus and God's glory.
Hopefully my comments were understood similarly. I tried twice to make that clear, but I'm still not positive it took.
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: 3NF
Do you speak Ancient Hebrew? I think there is debate over how it was used back then and I'm not sure if anyone really knows. Overtime, meanings change, just as the information in the Bible has changed via translations. Actually, I've always wondered what version of the Bible is best to read? King James, Darby, etc? I have no idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
Gamingphreek - read the book
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocolypse
As for your other questions, read the book
We are able to prove that book wrong. Please answer this question. In ancient times, they didn't have the technology to make toothbrush or perform operations. HOWEVER you are claiming that they DID extremely complex operations on one another and flipped a switch enabling them to live long. How is that possible? Also How is it possible that throughout our analysis of the human body, we have never ever found the said switch?
Finally, we can also prove it wrong, because, as cells divide, I believe the Mitochondria become more and more fatigued each time. So they would have to operate on each individual cell, in ancient times, and reconstruct the mitochondria- Something we are still not able to do today.
How are you able to prove that book wrong any more than you can prove your interpretatoin of the Bible is correct? How is it possible we haven't found the switch? Because science hasn't found everything yet!! In Rael's book, he states that the Elohim are 25,000 years ahead of us in technology. In the beginning, the Elohim resided with humans on the earth. Read the book. Read the Tower of Bable part - it was a rocket!!
Additionally, that cult was founded by ONE person. Who is to say that person is completely stable. He is preaching that aliens engineered God, or Elohim as you say, and then God relayed their message. How were they created? If they aren't supernatural SOMETHING had to create them. The Bible was written by hundreds of people. All of which have coinciding stories. There is virtually no chance that thousands upon thousands of people had been tricked.
Christianity started with one person - was he stable? Yes, he was
Furthermore, you are now claiming that Aliens are real. Is there any evidence? Faith is all well and good, but when a single human creates it, it could be argued to be blind faith.
I can't prove that aliens exist, anymore than you can prove God exists to me. However, there have been many UFO sightings in history. How many God sightings have their been? So I guess at this point, it would have to be blind faith on my part, but what Rael teaches makes so much more sense.
At this point, I'd have to go with my interaction between these two sets of people. My experience with other Raelians has been nothing but love and fraternity.
Which is what every religion preaches; however, we are all human
They have a simple motto - respect yourself and others. People who don't judge based on color, race, gender, sexuality, etc.
Again, the same thing that everyone preaches; however we are all human
On the other hand, my experience with Christians & Catholics has been very unappealing. Here already Christians are showing animosity towards me,
Can you honestly blame us? Try as we might to remain completely respectful, you are telling us that Aliens bioengineered us, that God isn't real, that we can survive without money (Already been proven false- Socialism anyone?) etc... I have really honestly tried to keep a respectful tone, but as I said earlier, your point is SO EXTREME, that it is hard to remain as thus.
I don't deny that it's extreme. I guess it takes a certain type of person to understand
Christians who think homosexuality is crime and is immoral, etc. Their values are so deeply rooted in the past.
What does the past have anything to do with this? The Bible merely defines marriage as between a man and a woman. As I said earlier, it is immoral, but no more immoral than me lying or thinking lustfully. It is humans who place the weight on the sin, NOT God. God doesn't even keep track of sin!
If you think being homesexual or bisexual is immoral, then you must also think being black, asian, or white is also immoral. It's genetic - there is no difference. Your saying that what the gay person feels is wrong. That's ridiculous. What you're saying should be considered a crime against humanity!!
If I were to meet a Christian in person, I would have nothing but respect for that person. On the other, the Christian or Catholic would probably want to burn me.
Why would they want to burn you. I am really interested in what people you have talked to that claim to be Christians. You seem to have a very skewed version of what Christians believe, through no fault of your own. I would be more than happy to attempt to answer any questions you have and attempt to lead in God's image where others have not been able to
I don't know what Christians believe. I'm just saying what my experience being around such people is. I said "burn me" because according to your beliefs, what I'm saying is considered blasphemy or some other nonsense. And when I do talk to such people about my point of view, they immediately become hostile - fear of being wrong? Raelians don't act in such a manner. We feel that everyone should be exposed to all religions and make their own decision as an adult. Any one religion should not be forced on any child because Mommy & Daddy think it's correct
It's a no brainer what side I want to be on
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