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I always buy the $100 processor and am always stuck unable to max my OC

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The first time it was a Phenom 2 X3 720BE that I unlocked to X4 and could 'only' hit 3.5ghz and 2.6ghz CPU-NB with. That wasn't good enough. I had to get 4ghz. So I got the 965BE and was able to hit 4ghz on the nose with 2.6ghz CPU-NB. Couldn't touch 4.1ghz. I was happy with it.

This time, CPU in rig is in sig.
Great deal. Paid $80!

All 8 cores overclock to 4.3ghz on 1.33v. Fantastic.

But I had just one taste of 4.7ghz by disabling half the cores--only 4 running.

Now I can't go back!!! lol. The second the CPU thinks about hitting >60C with 6 or 8 cores enabled at 4.7ghz, it locks up. Can go to higher temperatures at 4.3ghz (all 8 cores, can go to 67,68C at least without locking up) or with just 4 enabled can go just as high! But not with 8 past 60C.

I've committed to never getting a water cooler. I have a Thermalright Ultra-120. I have no reason to leave it...but if I could just...reach...4.7ghz.....

So I don't really know what to do. I spent tonight shifting my bus-overclock to 240x19.5, and the CPU-PLL helps ever so slightly with 6 cores at 4.7ghz but still the same 60C story.

I guess I'm getting spoiled. I was hoping for 4.7ghz.

I don't think I'm VRM limited-- I have a fan mounted to the VRMs that I can crank to keep them cool, but I still have issues.

I guess I need to get an 8350
 
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If you are going to get a new CPU, just for a couple of 100Mhz more performance on an AMD CPU. Then you buy the wrong brand to begin with.
 
ShintaiDK said:
If you are going to get a new CPU, just for a couple of 100Mhz more performance on an AMD CPU. Then you buy the wrong brand to begin with.
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Sadly, have to agree.

I own two 1045T Thuban 2.7/3.2Ghz 95W CPUs. I had one of them overclocked to 3.5Ghz-ish with an OCZ Vendetta cooler. I had some instability @ 3.5Ghz, mostly revolving around my two Gigabyte GTX460 OC cards in SLI, and temps.

I no longer use that rig as my main desktop, only for testing, but for a while I was using it for crunching, and the fan apparently froze up. The weird part is, it didn't crash. However, CoreTemp recorded a TJunction high temp of 83C or something extreme like that. Yet, the rig was still running. Crazy, I know. Those Thubans were tough chips.
 
User buys mid-range CPU, and then wonders why he can't get high-end overclocks. Hmm.

Yes, silicon lottery, but you have better odds, if you buy a better bin to start with.

Edit: That is basically what I was meaning to say about my Thuban. Everyone was saying, "Oh, 4Ghz is EASY with a Thuban". Nope. Not really. Especially when you buy the slower, multiplier-locked edition, that's 95W.

OP's problem is not hardware. It's adjusting his expectations.
 
Ultra 120 ain't a bad cooler by any means, and I'd like to see it compared to modern stuff like the NH-D15 with some powerful aftermarket fans, but I don't hold out much hope that your Ultra 120 is really doing as well as could some other cooler. Maybe that EVGA cooler BonzaiDuck is always going on about (ACX?) would be a good, relatively-inexpensive replacement for your current heatsink. No need to go custom water here.

And yeah the 8310 has not lived up to some of the expectations people had for the chip. It is clearly not from the same wafers as the 8320e and 8370e.

There are some other things you could do to pick up a degree here and there to get you over that hump, but cost and effort involved may just not be worth the trouble.
 
VirtualLarry said:
Sadly, have to agree.

. The weird part is, it didn't crash. However, CoreTemp recorded a TJunction high temp of 83C or something extreme like that. Yet, the rig was still running. Crazy, I know. Those Thubans were tough chips.
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MY Core 2 Duo shut down 2 weeks ago on windows at about 80C+ (Tjunction of 85C). I failed to get it that my fan was malfunctioning (both holding brackets broken). Booted onto bios only to see temp climb to 100C before I shut it down.
I thought the chip had fried at that point 😀 Still working to this day. THAT is a tough ah heck!
 
I disabled three of my four modules and was able to get into Windows at 5.5GHz under water. 😀 I think I even ran a single threaded bench or two. If you want to OC with AMD on the cheap, your best bet is probably to sell what you have and find an 8320E.
 
It's best to spend a little more to get a lot more performance and find the right bang for the buck. Me I went and spent more to get the hyperthreading at the time because running 8 threads boosted folding points at the time. It worked out fine.... that chip will be plenty for another 2+ years yet.

My last 2 builds were Q6600 somewhere around 2008ish and 2600K right after launch in I believe 2011. The 2600K was a big improvement simply because it clocks a lot higher than the Q6600. There's still no reason to replace it yet. It's running at 4.4GHZ at 1.31 volts... since I knew I'd probably be using this system in one way or another 7+ years I kept the volts around 1.3 using Load Line Calibration and voltage offset so the CPU would still idle at lower volts. I must admit the hobby part of me wants to upgrade to skylake or X-99 though.

For most people the 2500K part would have been the 'bang for the buck' part back then... as the 6600K will be the skylake bang for the buck part. You can't just buy any old processor and overclock it anymore... Intel closed the door on that one a long time ago.
 
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DrMrLordX said:
And yeah the 8310 has not lived up to some of the expectations people had for the chip. It is clearly not from the same wafers as the 8320e and 8370e.
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I'd say they are from the same wafers, but don't yield as well. OEMs will typically take them at highly discounted rates.
 
ShintaiDK said:
If you are going to get a new CPU, just for a couple of 100Mhz more performance on an AMD CPU. Then you buy the wrong brand to begin with.
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Your an insulting moron! Why don't you keep your opinions(which mean little)to yourself cause truth told your an asshole! Who thinks he knows it all, woman might take this abuse. No man will!

Infraction issued for personal attack.
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VirtualLarry said:
User buys mid-range CPU, and then wonders why he can't get high-end overclocks. Hmm.

Yes, silicon lottery, but you have better odds, if you buy a better bin to start with.

Edit: That is basically what I was meaning to say about my Thuban. Everyone was saying, "Oh, 4Ghz is EASY with a Thuban". Nope. Not really. Especially when you buy the slower, multiplier-locked edition, that's 95W.

OP's problem is not hardware. It's adjusting his expectations.
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Lol this post is hilarious considering its source.
 
DrMrLordX said:
Ultra 120 ain't a bad cooler by any means, and I'd like to see it compared to modern stuff like the NH-D15 with some powerful aftermarket fans, but I don't hold out much hope that your Ultra 120 is really doing as well as could some other cooler. Maybe that EVGA cooler BonzaiDuck is always going on about (ACX?) would be a good, relatively-inexpensive replacement for your current heatsink. No need to go custom water here.

And yeah the 8310 has not lived up to some of the expectations people had for the chip. It is clearly not from the same wafers as the 8320e and 8370e.

There are some other things you could do to pick up a degree here and there to get you over that hump, but cost and effort involved may just not be worth the trouble.
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coolers don't get old, and it's not like they've started modelling fluid dynamics with them. it can do 170-190watts, past that, problems.
 
SlowSpyder said:
I disabled three of my four modules and was able to get into Windows at 5.5GHz under water. 😀 I think I even ran a single threaded bench or two. If you want to OC with AMD on the cheap, your best bet is probably to sell what you have and find an 8320E.
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oh, ok. how come? what do those hit?
 
Well by definition isnt the highest overclock you can get the "max overclock" for that chip on your system? Seriously though, there is a range you can reasonably expect for a given chip, but there are no Guarantees. It is all up to the silicon lottery unless you buy basically a factory overclocked chip like the 9590.

The last gpu i bought for instance was factory overclocked 50 mhz, but it crashes every time if i try to increase it even another 5mhz.
 
PhIlLy ChEeSe said:
Your an insulting moron! Why don't you keep your opinions(which mean little)to yourself cause truth told your an asshole! Who thinks he knows it all, woman might take this abuse. No man will!
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Dunno how to break it to you, but on a forum, people do tend to give their opinions.
 
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