I always buy the $100 processor and am always stuck unable to max my OC

[bigboxes]

Dunno how to break it to you, but on a forum, people do tend to give their opinions.

You know what they say about opinions and assholes. :biggrin:

 

[Maximilian]

Your an insulting moron! Why don't you keep your opinions(which mean little)to yourself cause truth told your an asshole! Who thinks he knows it all, woman might take this abuse. No man will!

Spot the AMD user :awe:

 

[frozentundra123456]

This thread went south even sooner than usual.

 

[bigboxes]

Spot the AMD user :awe:

I love me some AMD. Just not for the high end anymore. File server and wifal unit's pc are AMD APUs. Retired processors are all AMD, except for my current rig and my previous Nehalem. Of course, I don't ever remember buying a $100 CPU for my main rig. Heck, even the wife got the 7850K.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I'd say they are from the same wafers, but don't yield as well. OEMs will typically take them at highly discounted rates.

Eh, maybe. 8310s seem to behave like bum 8320s (just my opinion, based on limited observation).

coolers don't get old, and it's not like they've started modelling fluid dynamics with them. it can do 170-190watts, past that, problems.

With that chip and those clockspeeds, he's pushing up against 170W easily.

 

[Yuriman]

I run my i5 at 4.6ghz using this cooler, and it's dead silent in my SFF computer case:

 

[2is]

Link to the cooler please

 

[coercitiv]

Link to the cooler please

Copy image location > Open images.google.com > Search by image > Enter image URL

Always useful to search by image

 

[Phynaz]

Eh, maybe. 8310s seem to behave like bum 8320s (just my opinion, based on limited observation).



With that chip and those clockspeeds, he's pushing up against 170W easily.

Which makes them lower yielding.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

4.7ghz was the 'hoped for' speed. If I hit 4.7ghz I would dust my hands and be happy for the next 5 years

If 4.7 was the goal why did you buy a cheap processor that had little chance of obtaining it?

 

[myocardia]

Link to the cooler please

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2730

 

[ShintaiDK]

Link to the cooler please

http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=50&lng=en&set=1

 

[DrMrLordX]

Which makes them lower yielding.

Lower yielding as compared to what, though? The e chips aren't just a different bin than the 8320/8350.

If 4.7 was the goal why did you buy a cheap processor that had little chance of obtaining it?

Perhaps he yearns for the days when an "expert" overclocker could buy a bargain-basement chip and run it like it was a top-of-the-line CPU. Those days are mostly gone.

 

[soccerballtux]

Eh, maybe. 8310s seem to behave like bum 8320s (just my opinion, based on limited observation).



With that chip and those clockspeeds, he's pushing up against 170W easily.

at 4.3ghz yes-- I'm just saying, I'm not aware that the other coolers do better, and if do, how much better.

 

[soccerballtux]

If 4.7 was the goal why did you buy a cheap processor that had little chance of obtaining it?

nobody knew this at the time. I started putting together the upgrade literally the day 8310 came out. I got it for $75+shipping.

according to this image from anandtech, though, I'd be spending a lot more in electricity to get to 4.7ghz...

as in, I'd probably want to stay on 4.3ghz anyways

 

[DrMrLordX]

at 4.3ghz yes-- I'm just saying, I'm not aware that the other coolers do better, and if do, how much better.

Well, first off, take this old review of the NH-D14:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...26613-noctua-nh-d14-cpu-cooler-review-12.html

That's a TRUE 120 Black, which is a minor update over your Ultra 120 if you still have one of the originals (before they added the Extreme part). So, you're off 4-5C minimum using an Ultra 120 depending on the fan(s). Just bear in mind that if you have fast, loud fans, that you can just as easily strap those onto an NH-D14 as you can an Ultra 120.

And that's just an NH-D14. The NH-D15 can beat that by 2C or more depending on which review you read.

Then, if you believe BonzaiDuck, the EVGA ACX HSF will beat even the NH-D15, for a tidy sum of $53 shipped:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835288004

It has tightly-spaced fins, so you can go for the gold and put some high flow, high static-pressure fans on there in push-pull with a duct arrangement if you really want to (ask the duct Duck, I just carved a hole out of the back of my case and called it a day) for even better results. Throw in some CLU or ICD7 or whatever, maybe do a little lap job on that CPU to expose the copper (if you go CLU, you can stop at 400 grit since the stuff alters surface texture anyway) and bam you might be able to bring those temps crashing down by 10C or more. In fact, I'm pretty confident you can bring them down by quite a bit more.

Of course, by that point, you may be talking $100 for a new HSF, fans, and TIM + lapping supplies, though except for the spent sand paper and the portion of TIM you will need to clean off the HSF at some future date, you can reuse all that in a future build. You might need new mount hardware if you take it to an incompatible platform, but that's just the way it is.

And yeah, you're gonna have two noisy-ass fans in there.

Is it worth it? That's up to you. I spent maybe $130 on HSF and fans for a $100 CPU back in 2009 (Propus) and I'm still using the HSF and fans to this day. It was overkill then, and it's overkill now. In your case, it might not be overkill, and you can probably get away with paying less than I did by not paying for a Noctua.

 

[soccerballtux]

yeah each time I look at it it doesn't make sense to. This Ultra-120 is pretty good that I hate to get rid of it. I lapped it to an almost mirror finish, literally zero affect on temps. :/

that evga def gives me something to think about. That could be fun as just something to do. With twice as many heatpipes as

yes I will buy it.

with twice as many heatpipes as my ultra-120 that's sure to help some. Sweet. Now I have something to make better in life

edit: no, it only has 20% more pipes. I thought I saw 6 or 8 or some absurd amount on every side.

still, thanks for the heads up

 

[soccerballtux]

love these forums

 

[soccerballtux]

hm, legitreviews showing the superclock as basically tying the NH-C14

edit: yeah I'll get it. Take a look here at Anand's review of the Ultra-120 vs. the Ultra-120-Extreme-- 120 extreme does 6C better at 3.9ghz load / stress test than the ultra-120:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2187/4

which we then...sorta have to compare to the NH-C14, which it [U120-E] approximately ties, which we then compare to the....EVGA Superclock (which is the same as this evga acx) and... eh it looks like it ties it and all I'm seeing is there doesn't seem to be any one consensus that it's any better than the NH-C14...

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...4824-evga-superclock-cpu-cooler-review-8.html


and just now I noticed NH-C14 different from NH-D14...ugh....too much...I'll just buy it and see if it does any better...in general it looks like I could expect 4 to MAYBE 6C better...that's worth it IMO

 

[DrMrLordX]

Well, there's this:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2431539

(check post #4)

and . . .

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/evga-superclock-cpu-cooler-review/6/

Bonzai usually knows what he's about, especially when he actually owns and uses the product. I would be more skeptical if he hadn't gone out and tried it for himself.

edit:

wrt lapping and the Ultra 120/TRUE, I was under the impression that this was important for various incarnations of the Ultra 120 due to uneven mating surfaces. The grit of the lap job was less important than just getting the darn thing to be flat. I lapped my D14 to 800 grit and it helped a little. Only reason why I lapped my 7700k was that I had the lid off anyway, so why not?

Anyway mirror finish isn't going to do you much good over an 800 grit lap. It might actually be a hair worse.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

nobody knew this at the time. I started putting together the upgrade literally the day 8310 came out. I got it for $75+shipping.

according to this image from anandtech, though, I'd be spending a lot more in electricity to get to 4.7ghz...

as in, I'd probably want to stay on 4.3ghz anyways

K, that makes at least a little sense. But why get a new air cooler if you want to stay at 4.3 and save electric? If you are set on going max OC why bother with air cooling at all? Water.....

Or just take the money you would spend on a cooling solution add it to the sale price of your 8310 and get a better CPU.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Or just take the money you would spend on a cooling solution add it to the sale price of your 8310 and get a better CPU.

I would actually argue against that for some people.

1). He already has the board. He won't get a substantially better CPU that doesn't need better cooling than what he's got now without switching platforms. Yeah, an 8370e or 8370 would be a step up, but he'd still need more cooling to max that thing out at 5 GHz or beyond. If all he really wants is 4.7 then an 8320e or 8370e might get there with his Ultra 120, or it might not.

2). The CPU will render itself obsolete after awhile. Over-the-top awesome cooling will still work, perhaps with a mounting system update. AMD users have enjoyed a common mounting system for almost all of their desktop systems since AM2. AM1 is the notable exception.

Intel chips do have some decent resale value, but not everyone wants to have to deal with hawking their old hardware on the used market to buy something new later. If that EVGA ACX cooler is as good as BonzaiDuck's testing indicates, with a little bit of elbow grease and some good fans, good TIM, and good planning, that thing will probably handle a 9590 at 5 GHz. I know people have done just that with a stock D15, so there's no reason why the ACX couldn't handle it. If it weren't for my D14 doing such a fine job cooling every CPU I've used since 2009, I'd seriously consider getting the ACX myself. I might still do it just to see if I can drop my temps even further.

If AMD is sane and keeps the same mounting system for AM4 that they have for AM3+/FM2+, he'd have a drop-on solution for Zen and everything else that comes afterwards. Or he'd be one mounting-kit away from using it on an Intel system. It probably ships with the required hardware for 1150 anyway . . .

 

[tweakboy]

That is a great temp, what you fussing about my friend ?

 

[soccerballtux]

K, that makes at least a little sense. But why get a new air cooler if you want to stay at 4.3 and save electric? If you are set on going max OC why bother with air cooling at all? Water.....

Or just take the money you would spend on a cooling solution add it to the sale price of your 8310 and get a better CPU.

I would actually argue against that for some people.

1). He already has the board. He won't get a substantially better CPU that doesn't need better cooling than what he's got now without switching platforms. Yeah, an 8370e or 8370 would be a step up, but he'd still need more cooling to max that thing out at 5 GHz or beyond. If all he really wants is 4.7 then an 8320e or 8370e might get there with his Ultra 120, or it might not.

2). The CPU will render itself obsolete after awhile. Over-the-top awesome cooling will still work, perhaps with a mounting system update. AMD users have enjoyed a common mounting system for almost all of their desktop systems since AM2. AM1 is the notable exception.

Intel chips do have some decent resale value, but not everyone wants to have to deal with hawking their old hardware on the used market to buy something new later. If that EVGA ACX cooler is as good as BonzaiDuck's testing indicates, with a little bit of elbow grease and some good fans, good TIM, and good planning, that thing will probably handle a 9590 at 5 GHz. I know people have done just that with a stock D15, so there's no reason why the ACX couldn't handle it. If it weren't for my D14 doing such a fine job cooling every CPU I've used since 2009, I'd seriously consider getting the ACX myself. I might still do it just to see if I can drop my temps even further.

If AMD is sane and keeps the same mounting system for AM4 that they have for AM3+/FM2+, he'd have a drop-on solution for Zen and everything else that comes afterwards. Or he'd be one mounting-kit away from using it on an Intel system. It probably ships with the required hardware for 1150 anyway . . .

both of these are good points. I think starting with the cooler is more likely to help--- maybe it'll help the 8310, and if not, I could consider a step up.

the main reason for this is that everything significant (IE, not prime/wprime/superpi benchmarks, but rather general day to day usage) slowed down about about 10% before/after running Windows update to take me from SP1 to SP3. I want that 10% back, and every time I try even dual modules at 4.7ghz, everything feels a bit faster and I like it.

 

[Ketchup]

It seems like overclocking isn't what it used to be soccerballtux.

Used to be it was the AMD chips that would give you a good overclock, and you would save a bundle over the Intel.

My previous two chips, Q6600 and 2500k, did not have a cheap MSRP, but were the best overclocking chips I ever had. And at the time of their arrival, were at speeds that AMD couldn't touch.

My current chip will overclock, but is limited by the heat it puts out. But I didn't get it for the overclock potential.