Hypocrisy at its best - America and Americans

[gsaldivar]

More of nuggets of wisdom from Sultan...

 

[blahblah99]

Originally posted by: Sultan
When Saddam gassed the Kurds who were rebelling, Saddam is a dictator and an oppressor and I dont know what other names the American government and Americans called him.

Now when the US is doing the SAME thing in Fallujah, everyone is calling the Fallujah citizens as terrorists, the Shias of Sadr city as militants and killing them left, right and center and the Americans are cheering their government on.

Over 400 dead. The bodies of residents littered around Fallujah.

This is the "liberation" and the "freedom" the Americans boast about.

This is hypocrisy at its best. Anyone who concurs, please just say "aye".

It's only freedom and liberation in the eyes of the Bushes.

I wonder when this Operation Iraqi Liberation is going to end.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
ah, sultan the troll that can never see the difference between genocide and police actions.

POLICE ACTION?

So its Police action by American 'Occupying Forces' and genocide by the country's leader.

Hypocrisy at its best.

Passions
There wouldnt people dying at the hands of American soldiers in Fallujah if this ILLEGAL war never took place. Liberation and freedom does come to those who want it. Liberate yourself from stupidity and free yourself from idiocity.

so, what makes this war illegal?

and no, since we are occupying the country during the war, it is our job to keep the peace. not only that, but we are going after enemy combatants who are causing far too much trouble, not going after political dissenters. so, no, no hypocrisy here.
and when did we use any sorts of nerve gasses against those in fallujah?

I often wonder about the term "illegal war" too. When is a war legal? Only when the UN sanctions it? Has there been any legal wars in the past? Or are all wars illegal?

When Saddam invaded Kuwait, was it an illegal war? When we came to help Kuwait, did the war then become legal? Or was it still illegal?

Was the Iran/Iraq war illegal? Was the war that the Arabs waged against Israel (when Israel first formed) legal or illegal?

 

[SuperTool]

How many marines have died to avenge the deaths of 4 mercenaries?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
ah, sultan the troll that can never see the difference between genocide and police actions.

POLICE ACTION?

So its Police action by American 'Occupying Forces' and genocide by the country's leader.

Hypocrisy at its best.

Passions
There wouldnt people dying at the hands of American soldiers in Fallujah if this ILLEGAL war never took place. Liberation and freedom does come to those who want it. Liberate yourself from stupidity and free yourself from idiocity.

so, what makes this war illegal?

and no, since we are occupying the country during the war, it is our job to keep the peace. not only that, but we are going after enemy combatants who are causing far too much trouble, not going after political dissenters. so, no, no hypocrisy here.
and when did we use any sorts of nerve gasses against those in fallujah?

This war is illegal because the use of force as authorized by the UN and used by the US to defend its actions was based on Iraq possessing Weapons of Mass Destruction and therefore being an imminent threat to the US and the Western nations. Come on buddy, you would know this much.

And ok, I agree it is our job to keep peace. And it was Saddam's job to keep peace in his nation. He gassed Kurds, we bomb citizens of Fallujah. And when you dont see it as two sides of the same coin, thats hypocrisy.

 

[etech]

Damn I hate feeding trolls, but anyway.

Sultan, what do you call Saddam's genocide of the Madan?

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Theres a difference between gasing civies and killing combatants. I shouldn't have to specify why there is a difference. This falls under the "feigning stupidity to proove a point" the worst and most hated forms of argument I know of. I guess Iraq didn't want to turn out like West Germany and Japan... Becoming some of the strongest economic countries in the world... I guess without their ability to commit genocide they just aren't "free". The civil war wasn't started over reunifying it was started over the US keeping fortresses in Confederate territory.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: TheBDB
Are you trying to argue that Saddam wasn't a dictator? Go get a dictionary and then come back.

Edit: I mean the OP

No, I am trying to say America and Americans are equally worse as Saddam... both are doing the same thing... the latter wanted to hold power in his nation with whatever means, and the former has occupied another nation wrongly and carries out the same actions as Saddam did to maintain the occupation.

Perhaps not in your eyes, but with over 55000 Iraqi deaths so far, and even more everyday, probably the common Iraqi would believe it so.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: TheBDB
Are you trying to argue that Saddam wasn't a dictator? Go get a dictionary and then come back.

Edit: I mean the OP

No, I am trying to say America and Americans are equally worse as Saddam... both are doing the same thing... the latter wanted to hold power in his nation with whatever means, and the former has occupied another nation wrongly and carries out the same actions as Saddam did to maintain the occupation.

Perhaps not in your eyes, but with over 55000 Iraqi deaths so far, and even more everyday, probably the common Iraqi would believe it so.

No, they're not the same. You're forgetting that America is God's right hand and acts with his divine power smiting all in his path!

 

[Dangermouse33]

Originally posted by: Sultan
When Saddam gassed the Kurds who were rebelling, Saddam is a dictator and an oppressor and I dont know what other names the American government and Americans called him.

Now when the US is doing the SAME thing in Fallujah, everyone is calling the Fallujah citizens as terrorists, the Shias of Sadr city as militants and killing them left, right and center and the Americans are cheering their government on.

Over 400 dead. The bodies of residents littered around Fallujah.

This is the "liberation" and the "freedom" the Americans boast about.

This is hypocrisy at its best. Anyone who concurs, please just say "aye".

Do you work for al qaeda?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
ah, sultan the troll that can never see the difference between genocide and police actions.

POLICE ACTION?

So its Police action by American 'Occupying Forces' and genocide by the country's leader.

Hypocrisy at its best.

Passions
There wouldnt people dying at the hands of American soldiers in Fallujah if this ILLEGAL war never took place. Liberation and freedom does come to those who want it. Liberate yourself from stupidity and free yourself from idiocity.

where the hell do you live?

must be in fantasy land.

we must suck at genocide considering how incredible our weapons are and how many iraqi's are still alive.

I never used the word genocide, and neither should you. The American media does not even quote how many Iraqis have died in this war. And its this nation and its media which calls quelling a rebellion (as an example) by Saddam as 'genocide' and the same actions you term as Police Action.

Thats plain ridiculous, you go into someone else's land, occupy it, impose curfew, do house searches, award contracts to Halliburton and then you want to call all these actions as Police Action. How give the US authority to Police Iraq anyways? They should not even be there.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Dangermouse33

Originally posted by: Sultan
When Saddam gassed the Kurds who were rebelling, Saddam is a dictator and an oppressor and I dont know what other names the American government and Americans called him.

Now when the US is doing the SAME thing in Fallujah, everyone is calling the Fallujah citizens as terrorists, the Shias of Sadr city as militants and killing them left, right and center and the Americans are cheering their government on.

Over 400 dead. The bodies of residents littered around Fallujah.

This is the "liberation" and the "freedom" the Americans boast about.

This is hypocrisy at its best. Anyone who concurs, please just say "aye".

Do you work for al qaeda?

What part of my post gave that away? :Q

Seriously man, you should try a little to stop judging everything with the mindset of an "AMERICAN" and think like a human being. I am all for the idea of removing Saddam from power, but the methods America employed, and the actions of everyday neither makes them popular in Iraq, nor in the neighboring Arab nations nor in the world.

400 dead is FOUR HUNDRED people dead. If these people needed freedom and liberation, maybe they have it now.

 

[etech]

Sultan, I used the word genocide in reference to the Madan. What would you call that action of Saddam's?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
Theres a difference between gasing civies and killing combatants. I shouldn't have to specify why there is a difference. This falls under the "feigning stupidity to proove a point" the worst and most hated forms of argument I know of. I guess Iraq didn't want to turn out like West Germany and Japan... Becoming some of the strongest economic countries in the world... I guess without their ability to commit genocide they just aren't "free". The civil war wasn't started over reunifying it was started over the US keeping fortresses in Confederate territory.

Gassing civies who were rebelling for an independant nation and supported by the US Government is different from combatants who are rebelling against the Coalition Provisional Authority is different?

Did anyone from the American media actually go and count how many of the 400 dead were actual combatants carrying weapons and how many were innocent civilians? Why do we criticize Al-Jazeera for showing images of the dead? Are you going to use the term collateral damage for the innocents who died? Is life that cheap?

So you mean any nation that vies to be like Germany or Japan should invite the US to come invade their land? Again, thats not even the topic.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Dangermouse33

Originally posted by: Sultan
When Saddam gassed the Kurds who were rebelling, Saddam is a dictator and an oppressor and I dont know what other names the American government and Americans called him.

Now when the US is doing the SAME thing in Fallujah, everyone is calling the Fallujah citizens as terrorists, the Shias of Sadr city as militants and killing them left, right and center and the Americans are cheering their government on.

Over 400 dead. The bodies of residents littered around Fallujah.

This is the "liberation" and the "freedom" the Americans boast about.

This is hypocrisy at its best. Anyone who concurs, please just say "aye".

Do you work for al qaeda?

Just because he doesn't agree with the US's actions doesn't make him a terrorist.

 

[Dangermouse33]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Dangermouse33

Originally posted by: Sultan
When Saddam gassed the Kurds who were rebelling, Saddam is a dictator and an oppressor and I dont know what other names the American government and Americans called him.

Now when the US is doing the SAME thing in Fallujah, everyone is calling the Fallujah citizens as terrorists, the Shias of Sadr city as militants and killing them left, right and center and the Americans are cheering their government on.

Over 400 dead. The bodies of residents littered around Fallujah.

This is the "liberation" and the "freedom" the Americans boast about.

This is hypocrisy at its best. Anyone who concurs, please just say "aye".

Do you work for al qaeda?

What part of my post gave that away? :Q

Seriously man, you should try a little to stop judging everything with the mindset of an "AMERICAN" and think like a human being. I am all for the idea of removing Saddam from power, but the methods America employed, and the actions of everyday neither makes them popular in Iraq, nor in the neighboring Arab nations nor in the world.

400 dead is FOUR HUNDRED people dead. If these people needed freedom and liberation, maybe they have it now.

Not al qaeda? One of sadr's minions then?

btw, I'm not american.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: etech
Sultan, I used the word genocide in reference to the Madan. What would you call that action of Saddam's?

This has nothing to do with the topic of this post.

Please dont get me wrong, I am not saying Saddam was not a dictator and an oppressor and was not responsible for deaths of many innocents, including those from Madan.

Look at Iraq now. They dont want the US there as much as they didnt want Saddam. Food for thought, what America is doing now is as bad as what Saddam was doing.

You must also put things in perspective. The region of Madan became dry because of an economic project initiated by Saddam to divert water. Ofcourse, the Western Media would scream foul and they even may be right about Saddam's intentions. What about the Red Indians of yesteryear? How are they currently living in conservations after being forced out of their land?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Sultan
When Saddam gassed the Kurds who were rebelling, Saddam is a dictator and an oppressor and I dont know what other names the American government and Americans called him.

Now when the US is doing the SAME thing in Fallujah, everyone is calling the Fallujah citizens as terrorists, the Shias of Sadr city as militants and killing them left, right and center and the Americans are cheering their government on.

Over 400 dead. The bodies of residents littered around Fallujah.

This is the "liberation" and the "freedom" the Americans boast about.

This is hypocrisy at its best. Anyone who concurs, please just say "aye".

The difference is that we as Americans do not pull mutilated and charred bodies from firebombed cars, cheer, drag the bodies through the streets, and hang them from bridges. We do not kidnap journalists and missionaries, and threaten to burn them alive. The "people" who do these kinds of things, as seen in the videos from Fallujah, are not human beings in my eyes, and should not be accorded the rights and priviledges of such. They should be exterminated like the cockroaches that they are.

If you support these "people" who did this, then you are in my eyes one of them.

You disgust me.

May God give those 4 places in Heaven. Offer a prayer for them.

Just because you see those images on television on Fox or CNN doesnt make this incident the only incident of this war. Please try to understand: the Iraqi people, including those of Fallujah have seen the burned and charred bodies of many THOUSANDS of fellow Iraqis who have died by bombs falling from the sky.

You have such anger and disgust at this incident where 4 people died after over a year and a half since this war started. Just imagine, imagine the hurt, anger and disgust the Iraqis have for the Coalition forces after watching almost 55000 of their fellow countrymen dying.

 

[TheBDB]

You seem to think you know what is truly going on in Iraq....I'm wondering where you are getting your news from?

 

[glenn1]

lets not diverge, say aye if you agree, and if not, please give reasons.

Aye, it's hypocrisy. And you know what, I don't give a sh!t if it is.

And here's the reasons you asked for. First of all, you're an asshat. Now that we've gotten that out of the way....

As for your almighty United Nations, they're the same fu*kups who sat back and watched genocide occuring on multiple occasions while they sat with their thumbs up their ass. I'd sooner give control of decisions on war and peace to the local PTA than that bunch of losers in the UN. So the default is that United States has to make the decision.

Since that's the case, if you're a citizen, then your recourse is to vote accordingly. If you're not and since I see you're living in Chicago, either get your citizenship so you can exercise your right to vote, or STFU and accept the decisions of your fellow citizens.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Dangermouse33

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Dangermouse33

Originally posted by: Sultan
When Saddam gassed the Kurds who were rebelling, Saddam is a dictator and an oppressor and I dont know what other names the American government and Americans called him.

Now when the US is doing the SAME thing in Fallujah, everyone is calling the Fallujah citizens as terrorists, the Shias of Sadr city as militants and killing them left, right and center and the Americans are cheering their government on.

Over 400 dead. The bodies of residents littered around Fallujah.

This is the "liberation" and the "freedom" the Americans boast about.

This is hypocrisy at its best. Anyone who concurs, please just say "aye".

Do you work for al qaeda?

What part of my post gave that away? :Q

Seriously man, you should try a little to stop judging everything with the mindset of an "AMERICAN" and think like a human being. I am all for the idea of removing Saddam from power, but the methods America employed, and the actions of everyday neither makes them popular in Iraq, nor in the neighboring Arab nations nor in the world.

400 dead is FOUR HUNDRED people dead. If these people needed freedom and liberation, maybe they have it now.

Not al qaeda? One of sadr's minions then?

btw, I'm not american.

Damn, you got me!

Just think like a human being, ok? These 400 people have died in an unjust war. And this in just one week. Offer a prayer for them. Over half of them would be innocent bystanders who wanted nothing but to live in peace. The Coalition troops didnt go into the city. They fired missiles in. No one can even give an accurate count of how many died, much less who was an actual combatant and who was a woman or a child.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: glenn1

lets not diverge, say aye if you agree, and if not, please give reasons.

Aye, it's hypocrisy. And you know what, I don't give a sh!t if it is.

And here's the reasons you asked for. First of all, you're an asshat. Now that we've gotten that out of the way....

As for your almighty United Nations, they're the same fu*kups who sat back and watched genocide occuring on multiple occasions while they sat with their thumbs up their ass. I'd sooner give control of decisions on war and peace to the local PTA than that bunch of losers in the UN. So the default is that United States has to make the decision.

Since that's the case, if you're a citizen, then your recourse is to vote accordingly. If you're not and since I see you're living in Chicago, either get your citizenship so you can exercise your right to vote, or STFU and accept the decisions of your fellow citizens.

What has this sort of attitude brought Americans? We have over 600 soldiers dead. Its a shame you will still support the decision the US is making and then call the UN fu*kups. Didnt the US pick their tails and ran away from Somalia which then witnessed mass genocide?

As for resorting to name calling, only shows the lack of mental development you've had.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: glenn1

lets not diverge, say aye if you agree, and if not, please give reasons.

Aye, it's hypocrisy. And you know what, I don't give a sh!t if it is.

And here's the reasons you asked for. First of all, you're an asshat. Now that we've gotten that out of the way....

As for your almighty United Nations, they're the same fu*kups who sat back and watched genocide occuring on multiple occasions while they sat with their thumbs up their ass. I'd sooner give control of decisions on war and peace to the local PTA than that bunch of losers in the UN. So the default is that United States has to make the decision.

Since that's the case, if you're a citizen, then your recourse is to vote accordingly. If you're not and since I see you're living in Chicago, either get your citizenship so you can exercise your right to vote, or STFU and accept the decisions of your fellow citizens.

Just because the invasion was supported by the US citizen (still debatable given Bush pretty much lied through the teeth to get the support), it doesn't make it right. Germany and Japan during WWII being the best example.

 

[marqucha]

aye

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: TheBDB
You seem to think you know what is truly going on in Iraq....I'm wondering where you are getting your news from?

What part of my posts do you find incorrect? All I ask you all is to look at it from the perspective of a world citizen and not be limited to boundaries. Open your mind and call what is wrong WRONG.