Hunter Biden's Laptop

[cmcartman]

Okay, are the Hunter and Trump documents cases similar?

That has nothing to do with what we were talking about at all. I haven't followed the Trump case because he's literally had cases against him since before he became president. The guy is a walking lying narcissist I assume he's done a lot of illegal stuff and is eventually going to go to prison for some of those things. If you mean by similar do I think they're both guilty then yes I do. One is about tax law and the other is about secret documents. One case has the support of the DoJ and one doesn't

What are you wanting to say for the gotcha reply you have waiting?

 

[fskimospy]

The problem is the FBI verified it was his and then no one bothered to tell everyone else of that fact. In fact certain people decided to put out information that the entire thing was a Hoax when many of them knew that it wasn't. That doesn't sound suspicious either.

Ownership of the physical laptop was (and is) irrelevant. The question was if the data stored on the laptop was 100% Hunter Biden's. Unfortunately Rudy Giuliani refused all attempts to verify the contents of the laptop, so the logical conclusion is he either knew the contents weren't all his or had substantial fears to that effect. He said as much!

This is common sense.

 

[fskimospy]

That has nothing to do with what we were talking about at all. I haven't followed the Trump case because he's literally had cases against him since before he became president. The guy is a walking lying narcissist I assume he's done a lot of illegal stuff and is eventually going to go to prison for some of those things. If you mean by similar do I think they're both guilty then yes I do. One is about tax law and the other is about secret documents. One case has the support of the DoJ and one doesn't

What are you wanting to say for the gotcha reply you have waiting?

You kind of did just 'gotcha' yourself there, haha. You're like 'one party is headed by a lying narcissist who has done a ton of illegal things but really I'm torn between the two parties'.

One party supports a criminal who tried to end democracy and one doesn't. How is this a difficult choice? The only choice should be straight ticket Democratic voting UNLESS the Republican in question has explicitly disavowed Trump. There are a few out there like Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney, but not many.

 

[pmv]

I was spreading the transcripts of their testimony and stating an opinion on them. I think one of the first disclaimers I said was "assuming this is true" or something close to that. One side spent months lying about the laptop claiming it was all a Russian hoax. Probably 95% of the posts here are the same thing. It's a fact that they testified and what they testified is basically all I've decided is true for sure. I do think that they very likely are telling the truth but there's no way to be certain of it at this time obviously. You've not read them at all but already made your decision... My side says they're full of shit so they're full of shit.

I don't remember anyone lying about the laptop, other than the right, who seemed to imply it was some sort of political ark of the covenant that held entirely unspecified but somehow critical information that could magically change the outcome of elections and the course of political history - while not being able to produce any of this stuff.

It sounds more like it's just a laptop that may-or-may-not have actually belonged to the badly-messed-up son of the President, and has some embarrassing naked photos on it (and even if there's anything legally incriminating on there, it's by this point hopelessly compromised in terms of evidence).

(I tend to think at most one could argue that Hunter's history is evidence that Biden didn't do a great job of being a father - but then I understand there were some serious accidental tragedies that must have contributed hugely to how he turned out, so how can I judge? Politicians in general seem to me to often be bad parents...maybe something to do with ego and priorities?)

The whole story has continued to seem utterly nonsensical and absurd, as it did from the start, but if there is any genuine evidence of serious criminal activity by anyone holding a real political office I'd be eager for it to come out. Can't help thinking if there were we'd have seen it long ago, though.

I didn't know the entire Republican party are fascist insurrectionists but I'll take your word for it. Does that mean that the left is entirely socialist Antifa members too? Maybe that's why I don't associate with them either. Your attitude is exactly the problem. There's a very large percentage of the county that lives in the middle and thinks the fringes of both sides are certifiable in most cases but deal with the absolute that if they don't agree with you they must be idiots.

This is all so weird. I mean, yes, obviously the entire left is socialist and antifascist. That's pretty-much what left _means_. That the US barely _has_ a left is a separate issue. I assume by "lives in the middle" you mean they are undecided between a mainstream conservative party and a crazy one that is working to overthrow democracy?

 

[cmcartman]

There COULD be other reasons, but by far the most likely one is to limit their exposure to an unfriendly audience.

It's not the job of IRS investigators to decide what crimes to charge and what ones not to. They aren't qualified to make that decision.

Well the DoJ isn't going to either if no one else complains.

Weiss's job was ending as soon as the Hunter Biden investigation was complete and he knew it. In fact, the only reason he still had his job at all was he was investigating Hunter Biden! If he wanted to keep his job the best thing for it would be for him to do as thorough an investigation as possible. There's no *misstep* for him to make here as it's not like he would be appointed by a Democratic administration and if he really wanted to be a US attorney again in a Republican administration the best thing he could do is nail Hunter Biden to the wall.

He's just about old enough to retire now I don't think it matters what the next administration thinks of him. Maybe he picked the easiest way out without rocking the boat by really going after Biden. I could come up with another dozen reasons and they'd all be guesses just like yours.

What you're saying makes no sense. Why would a political appointee of Donald Trump purposefully lie to Congress and expose himself to criminal penalties in order to protect Hunter Biden?

So since he was a Trump appointee he is bound to do everything in his power to do his bidding? I can't answer that question but I would like to see an investigation into the matter.

This is again common sense. By far the most likely answer is he wouldn't. Unfortunately when people get legal/political results they don't like they concoct fantasy conspiracies to avoid changing their minds.

I agree that the simplest answer is he wouldn't. But they he had culpability in any way I think the smartest course of action would be to continue the lie and hope no one digs too deep. It tends to work most of the time if you haven't noticed. The same logic can be applied to the whistleblowers and you completely ignore that aspect of it. Why would they bother with this if it's all a lie? If there was one I'd agree you're most likely correct. With two of them it leaves a lot more doubt to what's going on.


Last response since you're unwilling to read the transcripts and have decided it's all BS. Thanks for the opinions.

 

[cmcartman]

I don't remember anyone lying about the laptop, other than the right, who seemed to imply it was some sort of political ark of the covenant that held entirely unspecified but somehow critical information that could magically change the outcome of elections and the course of political history - while not being able to produce any of this stuff.

That's funny

Republicans say Biden campaign exploited former intel officials to discredit Hunter Biden laptop allegations

Just before the last 2020 presidential debate, 51 of the former officials signed a letter saying the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop had the "earmarks" of a Russian operation.

www.cbsnews.com

It sounds more like it's just a laptop that may-or-may-not have actually belonged to the badly-messed-up son of the President, and has some embarrassing naked photos on it (and even if there's anything legally incriminating on there, it's by this point hopelessly compromised in terms of evidence).

(I tend to think at most one could argue that Hunter's history is evidence that Biden didn't do a great job of being a father - but then I understand there were some serious accidental tragedies that must have contributed hugely to how he turned out, so how can I judge? Politicians in general seem to me to often be bad parents...maybe something to do with ego and priorities?)

The whole story has continued to seem utterly nonsensical and absurd, as it did from the start, but if there is any genuine evidence of serious criminal activity by anyone holding a real political office I'd be eager for it to come out. Can't help thinking if there were we'd have seen it long ago, though.




This is all so weird. I mean, yes, obviously the entire left is socialist and antifascist. That's pretty-much what left _means_. That the US barely _has_ a left is a separate issue. I assume by "lives in the middle" you mean they are undecided between a mainstream conservative party and a crazy one that is working to overthrow democracy?

I don't think that anymore than I think the right are all fascists.

 

[Puffnstuff]

With as much as this laptop has gotten around when will it be charged with illegal immigration? 😛

 

[fskimospy]

Well the DoJ isn't going to either if no one else complains.

He's just about old enough to retire now I don't think it matters what the next administration thinks of him. Maybe he picked the easiest way out without rocking the boat by really going after Biden. I could come up with another dozen reasons and they'd all be guesses just like yours.

Kind of funny how quickly your excuse went from 'he's trying to protect his career' to 'he doesn't care about his career'. He could have made no statement whatsoever as to if his investigation was interfered with but instead you claim he deliberately lied to Congress and exposed himself to criminal charges because he didn't want to rock the boat.

This is simply not logical.

So since he was a Trump appointee he is bound to do everything in his power to do his bidding? I can't answer that question but I would like to see an investigation into the matter.

I agree that the simplest answer is he wouldn't. But they he had culpability in any way I think the smartest course of action would be to continue the lie and hope no one digs too deep. It tends to work most of the time if you haven't noticed. The same logic can be applied to the whistleblowers and you completely ignore that aspect of it. Why would they bother with this if it's all a lie? If there was one I'd agree you're most likely correct. With two of them it leaves a lot more doubt to what's going on.

It doesn't have to be a lie, they are just people who admittedly have no knowledge as to the workings of the US attorney's office and are having their conjectures entertained by desperate people.

Last response since you're unwilling to read the transcripts and have decided it's all BS. Thanks for the opinions.

lol. You are absolutely right that I'm not reading 300+ pages and personally I doubt you have either.

 

[HomerJS]

That's funny

Republicans say Biden campaign exploited former intel officials to discredit Hunter Biden laptop allegations

Just before the last 2020 presidential debate, 51 of the former officials signed a letter saying the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop had the "earmarks" of a Russian operation.

www.cbsnews.com

I don't think that anymore than I think the right are all fascists.

If anything on that laptop was so incriminating to Joe Biden why didn't Rudy just release it to the press?

 

[IronWing]

That's funny

Republicans say Biden campaign exploited former intel officials to discredit Hunter Biden laptop allegations

Just before the last 2020 presidential debate, 51 of the former officials signed a letter saying the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop had the "earmarks" of a Russian operation.

www.cbsnews.com

I don't think that anymore than I think the right are all fascists.

The theatrics of Republican House members are not evidence.

You are correct, not all rightwingers are fascists; some are Dems, Libertarians, or non-partisan. However, every single Republican, by choosing to affiliate with that fascist party, is, in fact, a fascist.

 

[HomerJS]

That's funny

Republicans say Biden campaign exploited former intel officials to discredit Hunter Biden laptop allegations

Just before the last 2020 presidential debate, 51 of the former officials signed a letter saying the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop had the "earmarks" of a Russian operation.

www.cbsnews.com

I don't think that anymore than I think the right are all fascists.

Republicans openly support and associate with white nationalists and those who do are not subject to condemnation by leadership. Why shouldn't I assume the Republican Party is pro racist even though I know that doesn't apply to 100% of Republicans??

 

[fskimospy]

If anything on that laptop was so incriminating to Joe Biden why didn't Rudy just release it to the press?

Rudy was very clear as to why he didn't release it to the press - he said he didn't want to give it to them because they would try to verify its contents.

Then when the newspapers asked just for access to the emails that Giuliani was shopping around so they could verify them he refused again.

I would love for any person to come forward with an argument as to why a credible news source should publish a story about something where the person pitching the story adamantly refuses to permit any attempts to verify what he's saying is true. How is that not the world's biggest red flag? That's why it took a paper like the NY Post to publish it - they have no reputation to protect. Even in that case though the person who wrote the story refused to have their name associated with it because it was so shady.

Not sure why Republicans have decided to relentlessly lie about this laptop for years now, I guess it's because they have nothing else.

 

[cmcartman]

You kind of did just 'gotcha' yourself there, haha. You're like 'one party is headed by a lying narcissist who has done a ton of illegal things but really I'm torn between the two parties'.

One party supports a criminal who tried to end democracy and one doesn't. How is this a difficult choice? The only choice should be straight ticket Democratic voting UNLESS the Republican in question has explicitly disavowed Trump. There are a few out there like Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney, but not many.

I didn't bother to tell him what I thought of the left because he already had an opinion made of me. Because I didn't care enough for whatever BS he was going to spew.

Yes one side bad, other side good. I should vote for the senile old man and the token black lady in the next presidential campaign. End of discussion.

Maybe when one side decides that millions of students should actually be held responsible for the loans they signed for instead of me and everyone else that didn't take them out. Maybe when they decide the 2nd amendment means something other than drum beating "a well regulated militia" but not knowing a damn thing about the history of it or firearms in general. When they have basically advocated for giving weapons to anyone that would take them in Ukraine but not want the same here.( and yes I support our support of that war). Maybe when they don't run a dementia patient who campaigns in his basement on "I'm not Trump" platform I'll take them more seriously. Someone who claimed to support labor unions but when push comes to shove didn't have a problem helping stab one in the back. Today though I'll stick my head and in the dirt and tell you that in other than some local elections I think they're all full of shit and in 10 more years maybe Obama's first term won't be the last presidential election I've voted in.

There are a lot of people that feel the same way as me. When you decide we don't agree with "the only choice" that we must be idiots because you know what's right for us better than we do ourselves you're the problem too. You're just too blind to see it. Do you honestly think that a Republican explicitly disavowing Trump means they think any differently lol? Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney are just useless as most of the others just in other ways.

 

[brycejones]

I didn't bother to tell him what I thought of the left because he already had an opinion made of me. Because I didn't care enough for whatever BS he was going to spew.

Yes one side bad, other side good. I should vote for the senile old man and the token black lady in the next presidential campaign. End of discussion.

Maybe when one side decides that millions of students should actually be held responsible for the loans they signed for instead of me and everyone else that didn't take them out. Maybe when they decide the 2nd amendment means something other than drum beating "a well regulated militia" but not knowing a damn thing about the history of it or firearms in general. When they have basically advocated for giving weapons to anyone that would take them in Ukraine but not want the same here.( and yes I support our support of that war). Maybe when they don't run a dementia patient who campaigns in his basement on "I'm not Trump" platform I'll take them more seriously. Someone who claimed to support labor unions but when push comes to shove didn't have a problem helping stab one in the back. Today though I'll stick my head and in the dirt and tell you that in other than some local elections I think they're all full of shit and in 10 more years maybe Obama's first term won't be the last presidential election I've voted in.

There are a lot of people that feel the same way as me. When you decide we don't agree with "the only choice" that we must be idiots because you know what's right for us better than we do ourselves you're the problem too. You're just too blind to see it. Do you honestly think that a Republican explicitly disavowing Trump means they think any differently lol? Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney are just useless as most of the others just in other ways.

And there it is.

 

[fskimospy]

I didn't bother to tell him what I thought of the left because he already had an opinion made of me. Because I didn't care enough for whatever BS he was going to spew.

Yes one side bad, other side good. I should vote for the senile old man and the token black lady in the next presidential campaign. End of discussion.

Maybe when one side decides that millions of students should actually be held responsible for the loans they signed for instead of me and everyone else that didn't take them out. Maybe when they decide the 2nd amendment means something other than drum beating "a well regulated militia" but not knowing a damn thing about the history of it or firearms in general. When they have basically advocated for giving weapons to anyone that would take them in Ukraine but not want the same here.( and yes I support our support of that war). Maybe when they don't run a dementia patient who campaigns in his basement on "I'm not Trump" platform I'll take them more seriously. Someone who claimed to support labor unions but when push comes to shove didn't have a problem helping stab one in the back. Today though I'll stick my head and in the dirt and tell you that in other than some local elections I think they're all full of shit and in 10 more years maybe Obama's first term won't be the last presidential election I've voted in.

There are a lot of people that feel the same way as me. When you decide we don't agree with "the only choice" that we must be idiots because you know what's right for us better than we do ourselves you're the problem too. You're just too blind to see it. Do you honestly think that a Republican explicitly disavowing Trump means they think any differently lol? Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney are just useless as most of the others just in other ways.

‘Sure one side tried a coup to end nearly 250 years of democracy in the United States but I don’t like the other side’s policy on student loans’.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

 

[cmcartman]

Kind of funny how quickly your excuse went from 'he's trying to protect his career' to 'he doesn't care about his career'. He could have made no statement whatsoever as to if his investigation was interfered with but instead you claim he deliberately lied to Congress and exposed himself to criminal charges because he didn't want to rock the boat.

I never had an excuse. Brainstorming potential reasons. Yours is undoubtedly correct though because you're infallable.

This is simply not logical.


It doesn't have to be a lie, they are just people who admittedly have no knowledge as to the workings of the US attorney's office and are having their conjectures entertained by desperate people.

Well he either did have authority to or didn't. Since he came back repeatedly telling the, no the DoJ this the DoJ that it would seem logical for them to assume that he wasn't in charge and or didn't have the authority.

lol. You are absolutely right that I'm not reading 300+ pages and personally I doubt you have either.

I've read through about half of it and skimmed the rest. Good talk. Keep on keeping your head in the sand too. If nothing other than your viewpoint is possible It's not going to be worth the effort.

 

[fskimospy]

I never had an excuse. Brainstorming potential reasons. Yours is undoubtedly correct though because you're infallable.

Well he either did have authority to or didn't. Since he came back repeatedly telling the, no the DoJ this the DoJ that it would seem logical for them to assume that he wasn't in charge and or didn't have the authority.


I've read through about half of it and skimmed the rest. Good talk. Keep on keeping your head in the sand too. If nothing other than your viewpoint is possible It's not going to be worth the effort.

Yeah it’s a real toughie - everyone with actual knowledge of the situation, a bipartisan group of people say it’s one way but then two guys who have no idea said something different so really who knows.

 

[eelw]

There are a lot of people that feel the same way as me. When you decide we don't agree with "the only choice" that we must be idiots because you know what's right for us better than we do ourselves you're the problem too. You're just too blind to see it. Do you honestly think that a Republican explicitly disavowing Trump means they think any differently lol? Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney are just useless as most of the others just in other ways.

Lol yes you are an idiot. Your stupid EC can never give a viable 3rd party like all other first world nations

 

[cmcartman]

‘Sure one side tried a coup to end nearly 250 years of democracy in the United States but I don’t like the other side’s policy on student loans’.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

I'm sure you'll let me know. It's all over the student loans I don't want to pay and not any of the other dozens of policies I disagree with.

 

[cmcartman]

Lol yes you are an idiot. Your stupid EC can never give a viable 3rd party like all other first world nations

My stupid EC? I'll get right back to changing the constitution I wrote.

 

[IronWing]

I didn't bother to tell him what I thought of the left because he already had an opinion made of me. Because I didn't care enough for whatever BS he was going to spew.

Yes one side bad, other side good. I should vote for the senile old man and the token black lady in the next presidential campaign. End of discussion.

Maybe when one side decides that millions of students should actually be held responsible for the loans they signed for instead of me and everyone else that didn't take them out. Maybe when they decide the 2nd amendment means something other than drum beating "a well regulated militia" but not knowing a damn thing about the history of it or firearms in general. When they have basically advocated for giving weapons to anyone that would take them in Ukraine but not want the same here.( and yes I support our support of that war). Maybe when they don't run a dementia patient who campaigns in his basement on "I'm not Trump" platform I'll take them more seriously. Someone who claimed to support labor unions but when push comes to shove didn't have a problem helping stab one in the back. Today though I'll stick my head and in the dirt and tell you that in other than some local elections I think they're all full of shit and in 10 more years maybe Obama's first term won't be the last presidential election I've voted in.

There are a lot of people that feel the same way as me. When you decide we don't agree with "the only choice" that we must be idiots because you know what's right for us better than we do ourselves you're the problem too. You're just too blind to see it. Do you honestly think that a Republican explicitly disavowing Trump means they think any differently lol? Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney are just useless as most of the others just in other ways.

Good thing you're in the middle. 😛

 

[Paratus]

They do the same thing Republicans do when attempting to cover their parties ass. Don't act like your side is any better. For the record I don't really care for either. Once upon a time I would have called myself a democrat. Today I'm just lost in the middle of both sides.

A former Democrat but now “both siding” uh huh.

 

[HomerJS]

My stupid EC? I'll get right back to changing the constitution I wrote.

You still haven't answered why didn't Rudy just release the information from the laptop if it was damning of Joe?

 

[fskimospy]

I'm sure you'll let me know. It's all over the student loans I don't want to pay and not any of the other dozens of policies I disagree with.

Can you give us a ballpark estimate as to how many policy disagreements with a party it takes before you become indifferent between them and the party that tried a coup?

 

[APU_Fusion]

I'm sure you'll let me know. It's all over the student loans I don't want to pay and not any of the other dozens of policies I disagree with.

Coup less bad than student loans forgiveness … the denial is strong in you. Your cognitive dissonance and desperate desire to be a fascist is evident. Coup - anti-American treason …. Full stop. Disagreeing with a policy Is fine. Using that to justify fascism is hilarious. maybe we shouldn’t have a 700 billion a year military. I disagree with that but my next line isn’t let’s go full fascist