Hundreds of thousands of Shiites chanting "Death to Israel" and "Death to America"

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060804/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Hundreds of thousands of Shiites chanting "Death to
Israel" and "Death to America" marched through the streets of Baghdad's biggest Shiite district Friday in a show of support for Hezbollah militants battling Israeli troops in Lebanon.

No violence was reported during the rally in the Sadr City neighborhood. But at least 35 people were killed elsewhere in
Iraq, many of them in a car bombing and gunbattle in the northern city of Mosul.

The demonstration was the biggest in the Middle East in support of Hezbollah since the Israeli army launched an offensive July 12 after a guerrilla raid on northern Israel. The protest was organized by radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose political movement built around the Mahdi Army militia has been modeled after Hezbollah.

Al-Sadr summoned followers from throughout the Shiite heartland of southern Iraq to converge on Baghdad for the rally but he did not attend.

Demonstrators, wearing white burial shrouds symbolizing their willingness to die for Hezbollah, waved the group's yellow banner and chanted slogans in support of its leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, who has attained a cult status in the Arab world for his defiance of Israel.

"Allah, Allah, give victory to Hassan Nasrallah," the crowd chanted.

"Mahdi Army and Hezbollah are one. Let them confront us if they dare," the predominantly male crowd shouted, waving the flags of Hezbollah, Lebanon and Iraq.

Many walked with umbrellas in the searing afternoon sun. Volunteers sprayed them with water.

"I am wearing the shroud and I am ready to meet martyrdom," said Mohammed Khalaf, 35, owner of a clothes shop in the southern city of Amarah.

Al-Sadr followers painted U.S. and Israeli flags on the main road leading to the rally site, and demonstrators stepped on them ? a gesture of contempt in Iraq. Alongside the painted flags was written: "These are the terrorists."

Protesters set fire to American and Israeli flags, as well as effigies of
President Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, showing the men with Dracula teeth. "Saddam and Bush, Two Faces of One Coin" was scrawled on Bush's effigy.

Iraqi government television said the Defense Ministry had approved the demonstration, a sign of public anger over Israel's offensive and of al-Sadr's stature as a major player in Iraqi politics.

"I consider my participation in this rally a religious duty. I am proud to join this crowd and I am ready to die for the sake of Lebanon," said Khazim al-Ibadi, 40, a government employee from Hillah.

Although the rally was about Hezbollah, it was also a show of strength by al-Sadr. Many people worried the presence of so many Shiite demonstrators ? most of them from the Mahdi Army ? would add to sectarian tensions in the city, which has seen almost daily clashes between Shiite and Sunni extremists.

The sectarian violence escalated after the Feb. 22 bombing of a Shiite shrine in Samarra unleashed a wave of reprisal attacks on Sunnis nationwide.

On Thursday, Gen. John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East, told a Senate committee in Washington that sectarian violence in Iraq "is probably as bad as I have seen it" and that if the spiral continued the country "could move toward civil war."

In the latest violence, at least 12 people were killed Friday when Iraqi security forces fought gunbattles with suspected insurgents in Mosul after a suicide car bomber attacked a police patrol, said the provincial police commander, Maj. Gen. Withiq al-Hamdani. He said that the bombing killed four policemen and that eight insurgents died in the subsequent gunbattle.

On Thursday evening, a suicide bomber drove into a soccer field in the town of Hatra near Mosul, setting off a blast that killed seven spectators and three policemen police Col. Abdul Karim Ahmed Khalaf said. Six civilians and nine policemen were injured, he said.

On Friday, three mortar shells hit a Shiite neighborhood in Baghdad, killing two people, wounding four and damaging some stores, police Lt. Bilal Ali Majid, said.

An engineer was shot dead and an unidentified body, showing signs of torture, was found in western Baghdad.

Separately, gunmen shot and killed four people and wounded eight from a Shiite family late Thursday in Dujail, 50 miles north of Baghdad, police Lt. Hussam al-Dujeili said.

The U.S. military said in a statement that coalition forces killed at least three "terrorists" during an air strike and multiple raids southeast of Baghdad on Thursday.

We did Iran a great service invading Iraq. We have freed the suppressed Shia majority from Saddam's control. Now Iran has a new friend in the region with al-Sadr leading the way. I want all the neocon supporters to know google "blowback" and get out of their dream world.
 

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maybe this will be the common cause that unites iraq, then we can get the fvch outta there.
 

Genx87

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Sadr needed to be taken out 3 years ago, why nobody did is beyond me and a major failure.

The guy is nothing but a two bit thug with religious standing.

 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Sadr needed to be taken out 3 years ago, why nobody did is beyond me and a major failure.

The guy is nothing but a two bit thug with religious standing.
Making his mark using his daddy's name :(
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Sadr needed to be taken out 3 years ago, why nobody did is beyond me and a major failure.

The guy is nothing but a two bit thug with religious standing.


Finally something we can agree on.

In this instance I think the blame lies with Bremer, he was calling the shots when we had our chance. But this, like many of the decisions he made early on have doomed us to failure.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Sadr needed to be taken out 3 years ago, why nobody did is beyond me and a major failure.

The guy is nothing but a two bit thug with religious standing.
In Paul Bremers book, My Year in Iraq, he says much the same thing.
In Bremers book he says the reason we didn't arrest Sadr was simple. The military did not have enough troops to deal with the expected aftermath of Sadr's arrest (btw Sadr murdered a guy).
Bremer said that we will live to regret the decision not to arrest Sadr.
I guess this is another feather in the cap of Rumsfeld who screwed over the military by not sending in enough troops.

 

Lemon law

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GWB&co.----in their simplistic little pea brain just had no idea of the powerful cultural forces they were playing with when they invaded Iraq---when Saddam went---any glue holding Iraq together fell with Saddam---and now the US and Israel have suceeded in further isolated themselves---and offending nearly the entire Moslem world.

Its very much the same thing that happens when you turn up the heat under a high pressure steam vessel---and the boiler is in terrible shape due to neglect and no maintainence.
Its not rocket science to predict that one day the boiler will just blow up with disasererous results---in this modern petrochemical age we don't think much about such explosions. But turn the clock back 150 years to the stream age----a boiler explosion was on everyone's mind---and was a absolute worse case senario of destruction.

But cheer up---if the Mid-East does blow up---we could be going back to the steam age. As oil becomes almost unobtainable.

So everyone watch GWB---our local boiler operator---as he turns up the heat and says stay the course.---if you doubt his competence you are probably right---the rest are just modern day Alfred E. Newmans saying "what me worry."

And sorry rickn---when the Mid-east blows up---there will be little warning---and our boys and girls over there will be in grave peril---and we will be lucky to get many out in one piece.
 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Genx87
Sadr needed to be taken out 3 years ago, why nobody did is beyond me and a major failure.

The guy is nothing but a two bit thug with religious standing.
Making his mark using his daddy's name :(

Reminds me of someone else in the US...
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Sadr needed to be taken out 3 years ago, why nobody did is beyond me and a major failure.

The guy is nothing but a two bit thug with religious standing.

Damn I thought you were talking about Bush....
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Genx87
Sadr needed to be taken out 3 years ago, why nobody did is beyond me and a major failure.

The guy is nothing but a two bit thug with religious standing.
In Paul Bremers book, My Year in Iraq, he says much the same thing.
In Bremers book he says the reason we didn't arrest Sadr was simple. The military did not have enough troops to deal with the expected aftermath of Sadr's arrest (btw Sadr murdered a guy).
Bremer said that we will live to regret the decision not to arrest Sadr.
I guess this is another feather in the cap of Rumsfeld who screwed over the military by not sending in enough troops.

Bremer was a collosal screwup from what I can tell. I think we could have taken the guy out, hell several times we drove right up to his Mosque and surrounded it.

Sadr still has a warrant out ofr arrest in the killing of a rival cleric in Mar of 03. He took the opportunity of the chaos of war to kill a rival. Letting him live on to cause problems down the road was and is an idiotic course of action. They should have in 03/04 when he piped up stuck a sniper up top a roof top and took care of him.

Martyrs dont speak much.


 

techs

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Genx87
Sadr needed to be taken out 3 years ago, why nobody did is beyond me and a major failure.

The guy is nothing but a two bit thug with religious standing.
In Paul Bremers book, My Year in Iraq, he says much the same thing.
In Bremers book he says the reason we didn't arrest Sadr was simple. The military did not have enough troops to deal with the expected aftermath of Sadr's arrest (btw Sadr murdered a guy).
Bremer said that we will live to regret the decision not to arrest Sadr.
I guess this is another feather in the cap of Rumsfeld who screwed over the military by not sending in enough troops.

Bremer was a collosal screwup from what I can tell. I think we could have taken the guy out, hell several times we drove right up to his Mosque and surrounded it.

Sadr still has a warrant out ofr arrest in the killing of a rival cleric in Mar of 03. He took the opportunity of the chaos of war to kill a rival. Letting him live on to cause problems down the road was and is an idiotic course of action. They should have in 03/04 when he piped up stuck a sniper up top a roof top and took care of him.

Martyrs dont speak much.
Bremer was a collosal screwup from what I can tell. I think we could have taken the guy out, hell several times we drove right up to his Mosque and surrounded it.
In Bremers book he says he was pushing for the arrest but the military kept nixing it.
In Cobra II this is somewhat confirmed in that the military kept putting off the decision to arrest him because they didn't have enough troops.
Bremer may have been a failure but not everything was his fault.



 

Aimster

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The majority of people marching in Iran are old farts.
70% of the population is under 30 yet the majority of the marchers are like 40+.

Carpet bomb Iran with deadly doses of Viagra. Problem solved.
 

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"Death to Israel" and "Death to America"

Sounds like a democratic party rally.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: Aimster
The majority of people marching in Iran are old farts.
70% of the population is under 30 yet the majority of the marchers are like 40+.

Carpet bomb Iran with deadly doses of Viagra. Problem solved.

Uh, the march is in Baghdad . . .
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: Aimster
The majority of people marching in Iran are old farts.
70% of the population is under 30 yet the majority of the marchers are like 40+.

Carpet bomb Iran with deadly doses of Viagra. Problem solved.

Uh, the march is in Baghdad . . .

There is a huge march in Tehran too.
Turkey as well
Lebanon also.
 

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: Zebo
"Death to Israel" and "Death to America"

Sounds like a democratic party rally.

Thank goodness Bush brought democracy to Iraq.:roll:

I think he meant capital D. He was making one of these Hannity-esque simple minded " if you disagree with my side you are a traitor" remarks. How original and well thought out. Who is doing more damage to America, the anti-war people or the ones who support the Iran II adventure?
 

Lemon law

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Well a few posts back we had the solution---every time we encounter a foreigner we don't like---we kill them---simple---elegant---if the person is giving you a hard time.
Just kill them.---kill them all.

Since I am the only clear thinking person on this planet---I am giving you all fair warning---get off my planet---or I will exercise my moral superority right to kill any that dare remain.

But hold on---I can't do this all on my own----so I will put you to work building automated killing factories and attached crematoriums---so you all can be recycled into useful
products. Do I have any volenteers?---and when I have exterminated all of you---we can have world peace.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: Zebo
"Death to Israel" and "Death to America"

Sounds like a democratic party rally.

Thank goodness Bush brought democracy to Iraq.:roll:

I think he meant capital D. He was making one of these Hannity-esque simple minded " if you disagree with my side you are a traitor" remarks. How original and well thought out. Who is doing more damage to America, the anti-war people or the ones who support the Iran II adventure?

I have ears. In here many posters feel no matter how many rockets rain down on Israel, how many soldiers are snipped cross border there is no acceptable death toll before acknowledging Israel's right to retaliation and self-defence. They back Hezbolla even going so far as to call them a poltical org instead of terror org. They hate israel citing conspiracy stories, "Israeli lobby", 40 year old misslie accidents as proof who needs to be really "delt" with. Two sides of the same coin.
 

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Thats it. Let's pull the fvck out of there NOW and leave these brainwashed puppets to slaughter each other over whose imaginary friend is the biggest.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: Zebo
"Death to Israel" and "Death to America"

Sounds like a democratic party rally.

Thank goodness Bush brought democracy to Iraq.:roll:

I think he meant capital D. He was making one of these Hannity-esque simple minded " if you disagree with my side you are a traitor" remarks. How original and well thought out. Who is doing more damage to America, the anti-war people or the ones who support the Iran II adventure?

I have ears. In here many posters feel no matter how many rockets rain down on Israel, how many soldiers are snipped cross border there is no acceptable death toll before acknowledging Israel's right to retaliation and self-defence. They back Hezbolla even going so far as to call them a poltical org instead of terror org. They hate israel citing conspiracy stories, "Israeli lobby", 40 year old misslie accidents as proof who needs to be really "delt" with. Two sides of the same coin.
Really? So who actually believes that? You may have ears but you need to use what's in-between.

For the sake of argument let's ignore the questionable formation of Israel and displacement of Arabs. Let's even ignore the 1967 conflict and subsequent occupation of Gaza, West Bank, and Golan Heights (+/- Shaba farms). Forget all those UN resolutions since all parties involved appear to have ample excuses for noncompliance. We'll even skip over the last two Intifadas and the minor issue of thousands upon thousands of Israelis 'settling' in a place where other people already live.

Let's call Hezbollah the agitator . . . lobbing rockets into northern Israel from time to time . . . hitting . . . much of nothing typicalyl. March . . . April . . . May . . . June . . . Israel typically responds with air patrols (over sovereign Lebanon's airspace), a few artillery rounds, and stepped up patrols along the border. The last item being the most important, since it helps set the stage for Hezbollah's 'smash-N-grab' operation. The goal - which I doubt even Olmert would contest - was a prisoner exchange.

Olmert chose a different approach. He hit Lebanon . . . hard. Hezbollah stepped up its attacks. IDF hit back even harder. Hezbollah stepped up their attacks. It's an undeniable fact that Hezbollah has shown NO regard for Israeli civilians. Arguably, they haven't shown much regard for Lebanese civilians, either. Allegedly, all in the name of 'defending' Lebanon, retrieve their captured brethren, and recover Shaba farms. Garbage . . . pure garbage.

But the Israeli argument that everything they've done is a justifiable response in the name of self-defense is pure poo. In essence, Israel is claiming they can destroy Lebanon and kill hundreds of civilians b/c it 'might' deter a terrorist group acting by proxy for two totally different countries. It's neocon lunacy . . . Israeli-style.

I love my Jewish brothers and sisters but damn if they aren't fudging up big time.

Oh and for the record . . . there is an Israeli lobby . . . it's called AIPAC. And given the fluster duck Israel already has on its hands . . . I won't even bother with Larry Franklin references.
 

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Originally posted by: Zebo
"Death to Israel" and "Death to America"

Sounds like a democratic party rally.
Yet it's the Republican Party and those like you who support it blindly that has caused harm to America.
 

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: Zebo
"Death to Israel" and "Death to America"

Sounds like a democratic party rally.

Thank goodness Bush brought democracy to Iraq.:roll:

I think he meant capital D. He was making one of these Hannity-esque simple minded " if you disagree with my side you are a traitor" remarks. How original and well thought out. Who is doing more damage to America, the anti-war people or the ones who support the Iran II adventure?

I have ears. In here many posters feel no matter how many rockets rain down on Israel, how many soldiers are snipped cross border there is no acceptable death toll before acknowledging Israel's right to retaliation and self-defence. They back Hezbolla even going so far as to call them a poltical org instead of terror org. They hate israel citing conspiracy stories, "Israeli lobby", 40 year old misslie accidents as proof who needs to be really "delt" with. Two sides of the same coin.

So..."Death to America"?

Never mind, you don't know. Man, I used to think you were one of the smarter conservatives on here...now it's like reading a zendari post. And if there is one thing we don't need more of, it's zendari. Whatever happened to discussion problems rationally instead of coming up with idiot insults Sean Hannity would be embarrassed to use?