Human is the end of evolution

Page 5 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

smack Down

Diamond Member
Sep 10, 2005
4,507
0
0
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: smack Down

BIG --snip--
Allele frequencies still change over time, so evolution has not (and will not) stop, which was your premise.

Alleles do not have to spread through an entire population for evolution to be occurring.

You may get a little bit of noise on the graph of allele frequency but that is all, there will be no real changes in the population.[/quote]

I don't think there's any data which supports that idea. Correct me if I'm wrong.

On the other hand, there are observable changes even in the *extremely* short term that we're able to observe. Text

Extrapolate tiny, practically unobservable short term trends out over a million years (which still isn't particularly long in evolutionary terms) and you'll have a very profound change. This makes coming to any real conclusions about the direction or even magnitude of evolution quite difficult.[/quote]

Well for starters there is this
In general, however, the recency of our common ancestry and continual gene flow among human groups have limited genetic differentiation in our species.

and

However, any given physical characteristic generally is found in multiple groups (Lahr 1996), and demonstrating that environmental selective pressures shaped specific physical features will be difficult, since such features may have resulted from sexual selection for individuals with certain appearances or from genetic drift (Roseman 2004).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation[/quote]
There's nothing here that supports your claim that evolution has stopped.[/quote]

If there is no genetic differentiation there can not be evolution.

Good god, go outside a look around and notice that for the most part everyone looks alike. Now go to say the galapagos islands and notice that animals look different where there is active evolution.
 

Gibsons

Lifer
Aug 14, 2001
12,530
35
91
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: smack Down

BIG --snip--
Allele frequencies still change over time, so evolution has not (and will not) stop, which was your premise.

Alleles do not have to spread through an entire population for evolution to be occurring.

You may get a little bit of noise on the graph of allele frequency but that is all, there will be no real changes in the population.

I don't think there's any data which supports that idea. Correct me if I'm wrong.

On the other hand, there are observable changes even in the *extremely* short term that we're able to observe. Text

Extrapolate tiny, practically unobservable short term trends out over a million years (which still isn't particularly long in evolutionary terms) and you'll have a very profound change. This makes coming to any real conclusions about the direction or even magnitude of evolution quite difficult.[/quote]

Well for starters there is this
In general, however, the recency of our common ancestry and continual gene flow among human groups have limited genetic differentiation in our species.

and

However, any given physical characteristic generally is found in multiple groups (Lahr 1996), and demonstrating that environmental selective pressures shaped specific physical features will be difficult, since such features may have resulted from sexual selection for individuals with certain appearances or from genetic drift (Roseman 2004).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation[/quote]
There's nothing here that supports your claim that evolution has stopped.[/quote]

If there is no genetic differentiation there can not be evolution.[/quote]
The quote says "have limited genetic differentiation." It does not say "no genetic differentiation."

I think you might be assuming that lack of reproductive isolation means no evolution, and that's not correct. A species can evolve as a whole.
 

smack Down

Diamond Member
Sep 10, 2005
4,507
0
0
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: smack Down

BIG --snip--
Allele frequencies still change over time, so evolution has not (and will not) stop, which was your premise.

Alleles do not have to spread through an entire population for evolution to be occurring.

You may get a little bit of noise on the graph of allele frequency but that is all, there will be no real changes in the population.

I don't think there's any data which supports that idea. Correct me if I'm wrong.

On the other hand, there are observable changes even in the *extremely* short term that we're able to observe. Text

Extrapolate tiny, practically unobservable short term trends out over a million years (which still isn't particularly long in evolutionary terms) and you'll have a very profound change. This makes coming to any real conclusions about the direction or even magnitude of evolution quite difficult.

Well for starters there is this
In general, however, the recency of our common ancestry and continual gene flow among human groups have limited genetic differentiation in our species.

and

However, any given physical characteristic generally is found in multiple groups (Lahr 1996), and demonstrating that environmental selective pressures shaped specific physical features will be difficult, since such features may have resulted from sexual selection for individuals with certain appearances or from genetic drift (Roseman 2004).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation[/quote]
There's nothing here that supports your claim that evolution has stopped.[/quote]

If there is no genetic differentiation there can not be evolution.[/quote]
The quote says "have limited genetic differentiation." It does not say "no genetic differentiation."

I think you might be assuming that lack of reproductive isolation means no evolution, and that's not correct. A species can evolve as a whole.[/quote]

Oh, you've got me here I was think everyone is an clone.

 

Gibsons

Lifer
Aug 14, 2001
12,530
35
91
Originally posted by: smack Down


Good god, go outside a look around and notice that for the most part everyone looks alike. Now go to say the galapagos islands and notice that animals look different where there is active evolution.

There's far far greater diversity in the human species than within any species on the Galapagos Islands. It's not even close.
 

CPA

Elite Member
Nov 19, 2001
30,322
4
0
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: tiejiba
:(
After coming back from my african wild life trip, I feel people (human) is the end of life evolution. From this point, the life on earth is going down.

By far, human has the best gene on earth and it takes millions of years to get this point.
Life started from very simple form and began more and more complex through the natural selection.

When I was in africa I wittness the whole process. In the animals, only the ones (male) that are strongest, toughest can mate and pass on their gene. Overall, the ones with best gene and their offsprings will survive while improving their gene. Eventually, they evolve into a higher level of life form.

Rightnow, human dominates this planet and other speices have no room or time so they can out evolve us and replace human.

At the other end, look at ourselves, everybody can mate and reproduce no matter what kind of gene he has. This means all the gene (good, mediocre, bad) are passed on. The bottomline is we are not improving our genes in long term. We may create technical wonders, but as a life form, our quality is going down.

It's an interesting proposition that we are the best species on Earth. It's a bit hard to be objective about that, don't you think? After all, we're making the list; our egotistical nature will want us to come first. But what warrants us getting that top position? As a species, we're remarkably fragile. If all the nuclear bombs in the world were detonated right now, all humans would die. So would pretty much every mammal, bird, reptile, amphibian, most insects, etc. There would probably be some fish that lived, deep in the ocean, where radioactivity was unlikely to reach. Everyone always says cockroaches would survive (don't know if I believe that one myself, but whatever). Bacteria would survive.

Bacteria are better than us.

In fact, I'd be willing to say that virtually any disaster that could befall the Earth (a giant volcano, a meteor hitting us, etc.) that would wipe out humans would hardly affect bacteria at all. Sure, an inconceivable number of bacteria would die, but not all of them (scientists estimate that there are 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bacteria on Earth). Short of a comet or meteor hitting us that was large enough to actually destroy the planet, I can't conceive of an event that would effectively eradicate all life on Earth. Regardless of what happens to us, bacteria will press on.

Bacteria are better than us.

In fact, our comparative weakness is such that we can even be killed by bacteria. Toxic shock, anthrax, tuberculosis, and other potentially fatal diseases are caused by bacteria. But bacteria aren't all bad; without bacteria in our stomach, we would be unable to digest food, and would surely die of malnutrition. Bacteria are so important to human life, and hold the keys to our mortality.

Bacteria are better than us.

So before you go saying that humans have "the best genes," maybe you should consider what's best? Bacteria are genetically inferior to humans by any objective measure, and yet they are able to endure more than humans could ever dream of. They can live miles beneath the surface of the ocean, where the pressure would crush a human to the size of a soda can. They live in the frozen tundra of the Arctic, where temperatures rarely creep above -30. They live in steam vents at over 3500 F. They can live in acid or base, in an environment of methane and amonia. They were here billions of years before us. They will exist after humans are extinct.

Evolution will not end with us.

ALL HAIL BACTERIA, OUR SAVIOR AND OVERLORD
 

LordMorpheus

Diamond Member
Aug 14, 2002
6,871
1
0
Just because our technology allows people to survive that normally wouldn't doesn't mean natural selection is gone.

I mean, you've never been laid and that's a great example of natural selection doing its thing.