Human is the end of evolution

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
I used to think that we wouldn't evolve from our current point because we protect the week. I then realized that once an organism protects its week for the greater good, it also has reached the level of intelligence necessary to genetically engineer themselves into a better human at a MUCH faster rate than any type of evolution.

Evolution hasn't stopped because we protect the weak, it has stopped because the population is so large and mobile that everyone is interbreeding so there can be no population that changes.

For there to be any real evolution 99.9% of the people need to die and we need to go back to walking as the only means to travel.

Evolution hasn't stopped.

In humans for all practical purposes it has. You might find a few case like sickle cell, where a genetic defect is a slight advantage in a few areas of the world.

Other then that humans are not nearing the point of having new subspecies or species, nothing has change physically in human bodies for thousands of years. Large population simple can't evolve because any change in a person gene will take forever to spread through the whole population.

Think about say you have the gene that makes you immune to the flu. How long is it going to take you and your offspring to replace 6 billion people and there offspring? It is never going to happen. Now if a mass extinction was caused by the flu and you and offspring survived thanks to your gene and that 6 billion people was reduced to a few thousand your gene would be in most people with in a hundred generations.

Please go look up the Cambrian Extinction and notice that right after that is the Cambrian explosion.

All you're arguing is that the selective pressures have changed, which I agree with.

But as long as there are genetic traits which influence reproductive success, there will be evolution.

No i'm saying that the pressure has no effect because it will take billions of years for your good genes to be in all people.

The other way for your good genes to have a effect on evolution is for a new subspecies to be created but that will never happen because your genes would need to be isolated from the reset of the population otherwise having your gene would a be negitive selection process no matter how good they where because you would be unable to bread with the vast majority of the population.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: smack Down
In humans for all practical purposes it has. You might find a few case like sickle cell, where a genetic defect is a slight advantage in a few areas of the world.

Other then that humans are not nearing the point of having new subspecies or species, nothing has change physically in human bodies for thousands of years. Large population simple can't evolve because any change in a person gene will take forever to spread through the whole population.

Think about say you have the gene that makes you immune to the flu. How long is it going to take you and your offspring to replace 6 billion people and there offspring? It is never going to happen. Now if a mass extinction was caused by the flu and you and offspring survived thanks to your gene and that 6 billion people was reduced to a few thousand your gene would be in most people with in a hundred generations.

Please go look up the Cambrian Extinction and notice that right after that is the Cambrian explosion.

That must be why bacteria, with populations that are orders of magnitude bigger than human populations, no longer evolve. Oh wait...

Yes because bacteria, are one species. Bacteria don't have sex (for the most part) so each cell is an island and the population the whole species doesn't matter.

 

[rh71]

to be honest, I am really looking forward to that pizza at lunch...

 

[RapidSnail]

*Creation*

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
I used to think that we wouldn't evolve from our current point because we protect the week. I then realized that once an organism protects its week for the greater good, it also has reached the level of intelligence necessary to genetically engineer themselves into a better human at a MUCH faster rate than any type of evolution.

Evolution hasn't stopped because we protect the weak, it has stopped because the population is so large and mobile that everyone is interbreeding so there can be no population that changes.

For there to be any real evolution 99.9% of the people need to die and we need to go back to walking as the only means to travel.

Evolution hasn't stopped.

In humans for all practical purposes it has. You might find a few case like sickle cell, where a genetic defect is a slight advantage in a few areas of the world.

Other then that humans are not nearing the point of having new subspecies or species, nothing has change physically in human bodies for thousands of years. Large population simple can't evolve because any change in a person gene will take forever to spread through the whole population.

Think about say you have the gene that makes you immune to the flu. How long is it going to take you and your offspring to replace 6 billion people and there offspring? It is never going to happen. Now if a mass extinction was caused by the flu and you and offspring survived thanks to your gene and that 6 billion people was reduced to a few thousand your gene would be in most people with in a hundred generations.

Please go look up the Cambrian Extinction and notice that right after that is the Cambrian explosion.

All you're arguing is that the selective pressures have changed, which I agree with.

But as long as there are genetic traits which influence reproductive success, there will be evolution.

No i'm saying that the pressure has no effect because it will take billions of years for your good genes to be in all people.
--snip--

Allele frequencies still change over time, so evolution has not (and will not) stop, which was your premise.

Alleles do not have to spread through an entire population for evolution to be occurring.

 

[Jack Ryan]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
The internet is the only place where people who have a complete lack of communication skills get to espouse theories and have them heard. It's also a great medium for stupid people to get heard too.

This thread just hit the exacta.

What you mock is what makes the internet so great. People can share what they are thinking and prompt discussion with the click of a mouse. Instead of commenting that you disagree, or even ignoring the thread (gasp), you chose to make fun of someone instead.

What is worse, this thread or your response?

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
I used to think that we wouldn't evolve from our current point because we protect the week. I then realized that once an organism protects its week for the greater good, it also has reached the level of intelligence necessary to genetically engineer themselves into a better human at a MUCH faster rate than any type of evolution.

Evolution hasn't stopped because we protect the weak, it has stopped because the population is so large and mobile that everyone is interbreeding so there can be no population that changes.

For there to be any real evolution 99.9% of the people need to die and we need to go back to walking as the only means to travel.

Evolution hasn't stopped.

In humans for all practical purposes it has. You might find a few case like sickle cell, where a genetic defect is a slight advantage in a few areas of the world.

Other then that humans are not nearing the point of having new subspecies or species, nothing has change physically in human bodies for thousands of years. Large population simple can't evolve because any change in a person gene will take forever to spread through the whole population.

Think about say you have the gene that makes you immune to the flu. How long is it going to take you and your offspring to replace 6 billion people and there offspring? It is never going to happen. Now if a mass extinction was caused by the flu and you and offspring survived thanks to your gene and that 6 billion people was reduced to a few thousand your gene would be in most people with in a hundred generations.

Please go look up the Cambrian Extinction and notice that right after that is the Cambrian explosion.

All you're arguing is that the selective pressures have changed, which I agree with.

But as long as there are genetic traits which influence reproductive success, there will be evolution.

No i'm saying that the pressure has no effect because it will take billions of years for your good genes to be in all people.
--snip--

Allele frequencies still change over time, so evolution has not (and will not) stop, which was your premise.

Alleles do not have to spread through an entire population for evolution to be occurring.

You may get a little bit of noise on the graph of allele frequency but that is all, there will be no real changes in the population.

 

[Ferocious]

Humans can't be improved?

Kahn would beg to differ.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
I used to think that we wouldn't evolve from our current point because we protect the week. I then realized that once an organism protects its week for the greater good, it also has reached the level of intelligence necessary to genetically engineer themselves into a better human at a MUCH faster rate than any type of evolution.

Evolution hasn't stopped because we protect the weak, it has stopped because the population is so large and mobile that everyone is interbreeding so there can be no population that changes.

For there to be any real evolution 99.9% of the people need to die and we need to go back to walking as the only means to travel.

Evolution hasn't stopped.

In humans for all practical purposes it has. You might find a few case like sickle cell, where a genetic defect is a slight advantage in a few areas of the world.

Other then that humans are not nearing the point of having new subspecies or species, nothing has change physically in human bodies for thousands of years. Large population simple can't evolve because any change in a person gene will take forever to spread through the whole population.

Think about say you have the gene that makes you immune to the flu. How long is it going to take you and your offspring to replace 6 billion people and there offspring? It is never going to happen. Now if a mass extinction was caused by the flu and you and offspring survived thanks to your gene and that 6 billion people was reduced to a few thousand your gene would be in most people with in a hundred generations.

Please go look up the Cambrian Extinction and notice that right after that is the Cambrian explosion.

All you're arguing is that the selective pressures have changed, which I agree with.

But as long as there are genetic traits which influence reproductive success, there will be evolution.

No i'm saying that the pressure has no effect because it will take billions of years for your good genes to be in all people.
--snip--

Allele frequencies still change over time, so evolution has not (and will not) stop, which was your premise.

Alleles do not have to spread through an entire population for evolution to be occurring.

You may get a little bit of noise on the graph of allele frequency but that is all, there will be no real changes in the population.

I don't think there's any data which supports that idea. Correct me if I'm wrong.

On the other hand, there are observable changes even in the *extremely* short term that we're able to observe. Text

Extrapolate tiny, practically unobservable short term trends out over a million years (which still isn't particularly long in evolutionary terms) and you'll have a very profound change. This makes coming to any real conclusions about the direction or even magnitude of evolution quite difficult.

 

[Jeffwo]

I have a hard time with this evolution deal anyway so I wouldn't get real depressed over it all.

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: LordMaul
Are you trying to say we need to start weeding out the inferior races and traits so as to ensure that the best ones get passed on through time, thus creating the best possible environment for evolution to progress our species?

Good idea.


*runs*

We need as many genetic variants as possible. The gene pool of our species will become very useful as time passes

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
I used to think that we wouldn't evolve from our current point because we protect the week. I then realized that once an organism protects its week for the greater good, it also has reached the level of intelligence necessary to genetically engineer themselves into a better human at a MUCH faster rate than any type of evolution.

It will be nice to see the start of it. Interesting.

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
I used to think that we wouldn't evolve from our current point because we protect the week. I then realized that once an organism protects its week for the greater good, it also has reached the level of intelligence necessary to genetically engineer themselves into a better human at a MUCH faster rate than any type of evolution.

Evolution hasn't stopped because we protect the weak, it has stopped because the population is so large and mobile that everyone is interbreeding so there can be no population that changes.

For there to be any real evolution 99.9% of the people need to die and we need to go back to walking as the only means to travel.

Thank you for verifying my statement in the post above yours.

Just because your to stupid to understand evolution doesn't mean the rest of the population is.

You're right! I must be too stupid to realize evolution has stopped.

Durrrrr.....

Hey don't tease him, he cant help it.

 

[everman]

I don't know if you would call it "evolution", but we're getting closer to directly augmenting our bodies via technology. There's no reason why you won't be able to replace body parts with superior technological advancements, it's already happening today. Although these augmentations are designed to help people with deficiencies like lost limbs and bad hearing, going beyond the capabilities of a normal human seems to be a logical progression.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: MelikK
mmKay hitler jr

fixed

i bet this is how little hitler thought before he grew up and decided to create his master race

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: MelikK
mmKay hitler jr

fixed

i bet this is how little hitler thought before he grew up and decided to create his master race

We never saw the alternate ending.

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I think that most of the time people with good genes find other people with good genes to mate with. People with bad genes usually mate with other people with bad genes. Eventually the progeny of those with the bad genes will no longer be able to compete.

What if we evolve into 2 species; one in a state of glorious biological and intellectual advancement, and another consisting of degenerates that live exclusively on the man made beer-can continent of Trailerparkia? :shocked:

You would lose that war bud. Trailerparkia will sail into the night...

Speaking of which... why don't we go ahead and colonize mars. It will be worth it I swear!

 

[mooncancook]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I think that most of the time people with good genes find other people with good genes to mate with. People with bad genes usually mate with other people with bad genes. Eventually the progeny of those with the bad genes will no longer be able to compete.

What if we evolve into 2 species; one in a state of glorious biological and intellectual advancement, and another consisting of degenerates that live exclusively on the man made beer-can continent of Trailerparkia? :shocked:

well some short parents have tall kids, and some smart parents have dumb kids. Two good genes does not necessarily produce good genes, and vice versa.

It's like a RPG game character creation with dice rolling. If you spend too many points on beauty then you don't have enough left for intelligence. For those with many points spent on intelligence and beauty they lack the points for personality. And the few with beauty, intelligent, and great personality are the lucky bastards who roll a six on every dice.
[edit]and we feel sorry for the unlucky ones that roll a one on every dice[/edit]

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
I used to think that we wouldn't evolve from our current point because we protect the week. I then realized that once an organism protects its week for the greater good, it also has reached the level of intelligence necessary to genetically engineer themselves into a better human at a MUCH faster rate than any type of evolution.

Evolution hasn't stopped because we protect the weak, it has stopped because the population is so large and mobile that everyone is interbreeding so there can be no population that changes.

For there to be any real evolution 99.9% of the people need to die and we need to go back to walking as the only means to travel.

Evolution hasn't stopped.

In humans for all practical purposes it has. You might find a few case like sickle cell, where a genetic defect is a slight advantage in a few areas of the world.

Other then that humans are not nearing the point of having new subspecies or species, nothing has change physically in human bodies for thousands of years. Large population simple can't evolve because any change in a person gene will take forever to spread through the whole population.

Think about say you have the gene that makes you immune to the flu. How long is it going to take you and your offspring to replace 6 billion people and there offspring? It is never going to happen. Now if a mass extinction was caused by the flu and you and offspring survived thanks to your gene and that 6 billion people was reduced to a few thousand your gene would be in most people with in a hundred generations.

Please go look up the Cambrian Extinction and notice that right after that is the Cambrian explosion.

All you're arguing is that the selective pressures have changed, which I agree with.

But as long as there are genetic traits which influence reproductive success, there will be evolution.

No i'm saying that the pressure has no effect because it will take billions of years for your good genes to be in all people.
--snip--

Allele frequencies still change over time, so evolution has not (and will not) stop, which was your premise.

Alleles do not have to spread through an entire population for evolution to be occurring.

You may get a little bit of noise on the graph of allele frequency but that is all, there will be no real changes in the population.

I don't think there's any data which supports that idea. Correct me if I'm wrong.

On the other hand, there are observable changes even in the *extremely* short term that we're able to observe. Text

Extrapolate tiny, practically unobservable short term trends out over a million years (which still isn't particularly long in evolutionary terms) and you'll have a very profound change. This makes coming to any real conclusions about the direction or even magnitude of evolution quite difficult.

Well for starters there is this

In general, however, the recency of our common ancestry and continual gene flow among human groups have limited genetic differentiation in our species.

and

However, any given physical characteristic generally is found in multiple groups (Lahr 1996), and demonstrating that environmental selective pressures shaped specific physical features will be difficult, since such features may have resulted from sexual selection for individuals with certain appearances or from genetic drift (Roseman 2004).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: zerocool1

Originally posted by: tiejiba


Rightnow, human dominates this planet and other speices have no room or time so they can out evolve us and replace human.

they will make room, or the environment will change. this process takes millions of years.

No, animals are on the way out. The years to come will be the days of bacteria and viruses. The only form of life or in the case of viruses, life-like form, that we don't have complete control of. These are the life-forms that will thrive in a enviorment with a very dense population, and as many scientists agree, no resistence. I say the no resistence part about bacteria, as many scientists agree that bacteria is evolving to resist our anti-biotics, and there are even some forms of abcteria that are resistant to all known anti-biotics.

 

[glugglug]

Nonsense. Eventually humans will nuke each other out of existence. Maybe the Mayans are right and this is about 5 years down the road, and the surviving species will be Deinococcus_radiodurans, a.k.a. "Conan the Bacterium," which evolved to become immune to the radiation used to disinfect meat.

Also, it survives in a vacuum, so if an asteroid splits the earth in 2, half flies into the sun, the other half goes off into deep space and loses atmosphere, Conan the Bacterium will still survive. In both halves.

 

[lyssword]

I'll bet you $100 humans won't die anytime soon

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: smack Down

BIG --snip--

Allele frequencies still change over time, so evolution has not (and will not) stop, which was your premise.

Alleles do not have to spread through an entire population for evolution to be occurring.[/quote]

You may get a little bit of noise on the graph of allele frequency but that is all, there will be no real changes in the population.[/quote]

I don't think there's any data which supports that idea. Correct me if I'm wrong.

On the other hand, there are observable changes even in the *extremely* short term that we're able to observe. Text

Extrapolate tiny, practically unobservable short term trends out over a million years (which still isn't particularly long in evolutionary terms) and you'll have a very profound change. This makes coming to any real conclusions about the direction or even magnitude of evolution quite difficult.[/quote]

Well for starters there is this

In general, however, the recency of our common ancestry and continual gene flow among human groups have limited genetic differentiation in our species.

and

However, any given physical characteristic generally is found in multiple groups (Lahr 1996), and demonstrating that environmental selective pressures shaped specific physical features will be difficult, since such features may have resulted from sexual selection for individuals with certain appearances or from genetic drift (Roseman 2004).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation[/quote]
There's nothing here that supports your claim that evolution has stopped.

 

[potato28]

The way we're destroying the Earth there won't be enough time for something else to evolve to higher state than we are.

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: tiejiba
By far, human has the best gene on earth

And what GENE might that be?