Human Development Index: Is the UK on par with a Middle Eastern slave society?

[CanOWorms]

Ok, so it was just your opinion, that's fine, but don't try and pretend ' there's a lot of commentary' out there when 90% of it is answering your bullshit.

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So which countries do you think the USA is going to ally with above their traditional ones?

It's quite obvious that the USA is forging alliances with various Asian nations as the EU/Russia/China are doing their own partnership. Obama calls himself the first Pacific President. The USA can't afford to rely on Europe as it's declining to third-world developing status and needs to realign to the new emerging powers that will be the new developed nations.

 

[WelshBloke]

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It's quite obvious that the USA is forging alliances with various Asian nations as the EU/Russia/China are doing their own thing. Obama calls himself the first Pacific President. The USA can't afford to rely on Europe as it's declining to third-world developing status and needs to realign to the new emerging powers that will be the new developed nations.

Hmmm, I'm seeing lots of letters there, a few words, but no answer to my question.

*shrug* whats new?

 

[Infohawk]

I'll stick to the US, but I'm not sure I'll call it part of "the West" anymore.

The US is still part of the West. The West isn't some racial thing like you are so hung up on. Obama's mother is white and he was educated at Western Institutions and his liberal beliefs are born out of Western thought. He is a Westerner. So what if he's looking to the East. Nixon did the same thing.

And pretty much the rest of the world is becoming Westernized. Korea and Japan are rich and it's not by coincidence they have western democracies with western free market economics. The middle-east is poor precisely because they are resistant to westernizing. Again, the West isn't about race. Western culture now includes rap music, maya angelou, and MLK.

 

[WelshBloke]

The US is still part of the West. The West isn't some racial thing like you are so hung up on. Obama's mother is white and he was educated at Western Institutions and his liberal beliefs are born out of Western thought. He is a Westerner. So what if he's looking to the East. Nixon did the same thing.

And pretty much the rest of the world is becoming Westernized. Korea and Japan are rich and it's not by coincidence they have western democracies with western free market economics. The middle-east is poor precisely because they are resistant to westernizing. Again, the West isn't about race. Western culture now includes rap music, maya angelou, and MLK.

Dude, stop!

Trolls are immune to logic, he'll ignore any of your points that contradict his or bring up something unrelated.

 

[Infohawk]

Hmmm, I'm seeing lots of letters there, a few words, but no answer to my question.

*shrug* whats new?

I like his suggestion that there are billions of 3rd worlders who share his opinion. I'm sure they are obsessing over Europe on their way to the wells for clean drinking water. In reality they probably wish they could move to Europe or the US.

 

[CanOWorms]

The US is still part of the West.

Yes, but not for long.

The West isn't some racial thing like you are so hung up on.

I'm not claiming that it is. It's more cultural.

Obama's mother is white and he was educated at Western Institutions and his liberal beliefs are born out of Western thought. He is a Westerner. So what if he's looking to the East. Nixon did the same thing.

He's more than just looking East. He considers himself the first Pacific President. Not only that, he is routinely characterized within European circles as having no fond feelings for Europe. He has no close relationship with any European leader. Europeans routinely question his lack of attention on Europe. Even the Wikileaks cables make note of this stuff.

And pretty much the rest of the world is becoming Westernized. Korea and Japan are rich and it's not by coincidence they have western democracies with western free market economics. The middle-east is poor precisely because they are resistant to westernizing.

They're not becoming Westernized. They're becoming developed. Just because a lot of Western countries are developed doesn't mean that other countries are becoming Western as they develop.

Again, the West isn't about race. Western culture now includes rap music, maya angelou, and MLK.

That's American culture.

 

[WelshBloke]

I like his suggestion that there are billions of 3rd worlders who share his opinion. I'm sure they are obsessing over Europe on their way to the wells for clean drinking water. In reality they probably wish they could move to Europe or the US.

Quite a lot of them do.

I can never work out whether he's trolling or mildly deranged though, its hard to tell on the internet.

I'm leaning to the trolling as his obsession with the British royal family is weird. He doesnt seem to realise its not the 50's and no one gives a shit what he says about them, hell the British press say worse most weeks.

 

[WelshBloke]

He's more than just looking East. He considers himself the first Pacific President. Not only that, he is routinely characterized within European circles as having no fond feelings for Europe. He has no close relationship with any European leader. Europeans routinely question his lack of attention on Europe. Even the Wikileaks cables make note of this stuff.

Speak to a lot of Europeans do you?

That's American culture.

Have you ever been to Europe? Hell, have you ever been outside the States?

 

[CanOWorms]

I like his suggestion that there are billions of 3rd worlders who share his opinion. I'm sure they are obsessing over Europe on their way to the wells for clean drinking water. In reality they probably wish they could move to Europe or the US.

I imagine you are foaming at the mouth. You are funny.

 

[Infohawk]

They're not becoming Westernized. They're becoming developed. Just because a lot of Western countries are developed doesn't mean that other countries are becoming Western as they develop.



That's American culture.

If they have western instutions, western cultures, and western economics, they're becoming westernized.

American culture and European culture and much of Japanese culture is shared now. It's still Western culture. Europeans watch American television and Americans watch European television and movies (although non-English movies are usually remade into English movies.) How many pakistani movies do AMericans watch? None unless they are naturalized Pakistanis.

 

[Infohawk]

Quite a lot of them do.

I can never work out whether he's trolling or mildly deranged though, its hard to tell on the internet.

I'm leaning to the trolling as his obsession with the British royal family is weird. He doesnt seem to realise its not the 50's and no one gives a shit what he says about them, hell the British press say worse most weeks.

Not sure how much you know about COW but basically he's admitted to being of Indian or Pakistani descent and admits that he was the victim of racism in Europe. I believe he has a genuine psychosis about those events. He's obsessed with the topic and he'll basically spin any topic (like this one) into Euro-bashing.

Why do I interact with him? He's pretty unique. He has one sidekick but otherwise nobody agrees with him and most people ignore him. It's interesting to see how his injured mind reacts to facts that don't mesh with his bizarro views. Honestly it takes a lot of creativity to spin some of the stories he does into being European-related.

 

[WelshBloke]

I imagine you are foaming at the mouth. You are funny.

You're the one living in a nice Western country. It gives you time to troll on the internet.

You dont have to walk to the well, or worry about dysentery, or random warlords rampaging around.

Its all very well for you to criticize from your comfy position, but a lot of people are suffering. For you to trivialise Western values and all it brings is pretty laughable, and it makes you look like a douche when a lot of people risk everything they have just to get to those Western countries.

 

[WelshBloke]

Not sure how much you know about COW but basically he's admitted to being of Indian or Pakistani descent and admits that he was the victim of racism in Europe. I believe he has a genuine psychosis about those events. He's obsessed with the topic and he'll basically spin any topic (like this one) into Euro-bashing.

Why do I interact with him? He's pretty unique. He has one sidekick but otherwise nobody agrees with him and most people ignore him. It's interesting to see how his injured mind reacts to facts that don't mesh with his bizarro views. Honestly it takes a lot of creativity to spin some of the stories he does into being European-related.

Thing is though I'd probably punch him in the face if I met him in a pub, and a few of my Pakistani friends would as well. Not 'cos we are racist but because he's really really annoying. So its not definite that it would have been racism in the first place.

 

[Infohawk]

Thing is though I'd probably punch him in the face if I met him in a pub, and a few of my Pakistani friends would as well. Not 'cos we are racist but because he's really really annoying. So its not definite that it would have been racism in the first place.

Good point. He may have played the race card without justification. Since he refuses to share the specific story we can't know. But perhaps he won't share the story because it never happened?

The really sad thing is that even if he was a victim of racism (which happens in the US too) it has turned him into a racist. Although he denies being one, his antipathy is only directed at white Europeans and he likes to act like non-white Europeans are being herded into camps as we speak. Never mind that if it was really so bad they'd be leaving Europe instead of coming to Europe (like many Jews did during the 30s in Germany).

 

[CanOWorms]

If they have western instutions, western cultures, and western economics, they're becoming westernized.

Those aren't really western institutions, cultures, or economics though. They transcend culture at this point. It's like saying we're all becoming Middle Eastern because we're civilized or we're all African because we're human. That must scare the white supremacist inside you.

American culture and European culture and much of Japanese culture is shared now. It's still Western culture. Europeans watch American television and Americans watch European television and movies (although non-English movies are usually remade into English movies.) How many pakistani movies do AMericans watch? None unless they are naturalized Pakistanis.

Sorry, that's not Western culture.

Europeans don't have much cultural output nowadays other than perhaps the British. If you're talking about movies, the Asians are quite the powerhouse in that area now, even influencing Hollywood quite a bit in recent years. European movies are more in the independent, small, arthouse type of films without the widespread global audience. And many of them can't be supported outside of government assistance.

You are really over-exaggerating here. It's like saying most consumer electronics are Korean and Japanese, so we are becoming Asian. Does that scare the white supremacist in you?

 

[CanOWorms]

Good point. He may have played the race card without justification. Since he refuses to share the specific story we can't know. But perhaps he won't share the story because it never happened?

The really sad thing is that even if he was a victim of racism (which happens in the US too) it has turned him into a racist. Although he denies being one, his antipathy is only directed at white Europeans and he likes to act like non-white Europeans are being herded into camps as we speak. Never mind that if it was really so bad they'd be leaving Europe instead of coming to Europe (like many Jews did during the 30s in Germany).

Sorry, but numerous times I have supported white Europeans. However, you probably don't deem them to be white because they don't fit well with your white supremacist ideology that looks down upon certain whites as undesirables. Examples include Eastern European treatment in Western Europe, Slovenia's the Erased, Turks, etc.

You obviously support Europe as a white homeland; UK as some sort of WASP homeland. It's for whites and only whites. And only those you deem to be the proper whites. You freak out when I criticize their governments or societal ills because you view it as some sort of attack on your race.

People who criticize Europe are bigots. People who criticize Israel are bigots. People who criticize the the Queen are bigots. Where does it stop? Are Canadians bigoted for criticizing America? What about if someone criticizes the UAE? Am I bigoted for calling them out on their oppressed imported labor? It's probably ok for you because they're not a country you consider a white homeland. Amnesty International? They have a psychosis!!!

You spent too much time in that white supremacist fort in Idaho. You've been brainwashed.

 

[CanOWorms]

You're the one living in a nice Western country. It gives you time to troll on the internet.

I live in the United States, not a Western country (or not in the near future).

You dont have to walk to the well, or worry about dysentery, or random warlords rampaging around.

Huh? There were warlords rampaging around Europe, not too far from Berlin a few years ago. You do realize that there was a genocide in Europe not too long ago, right?

Its all very well for you to criticize from your comfy position, but a lot of people are suffering. For you to trivialise Western values and all it brings is pretty laughable, and it makes you look like a douche when a lot of people risk everything they have just to get to those Western countries.

The United State is no longer (or soon to be no longer) considered a Western country. That doesn't mean Western values are bad or good. Where did I criticize Western values?

Now I'm questioning whether you think that those values are untouchable and trivializing others. If so, that's laughable and it makes you look like a douche when a lot of people risk everything they have to leave their countries because Western countries destroyed them during the era of colonialism.

Lots of people on this forum, including your sidekick Infohawk, state that immigrants come to Europe and don't want to accept European values. Are you saying that they are all completely integrated now?

 

[Infohawk]

Sorry, but numerous times I have supported white Europeans. However, you probably don't deem them to be white because they don't fit well with your white supremacist ideology that looks down upon certain whites as undesirables. Examples include Eastern European treatment in Western Europe, Slovenia's the Erased, Turks, etc.

You obviously support Europe as a white homeland; UK as some sort of WASP homeland. It's for whites and only whites. And only those you deem to be the proper whites. You freak out when I criticize their governments or societal ills because you view it as some sort of attack on your race.

People who criticize Europe are bigots. People who criticize Israel are bigots. People who criticize the the Queen are bigots. Where does it stop? Are Canadians bigoted for criticizing America? What about if someone criticizes the UAE? Am I bigoted for calling them out on their oppressed imported labor? It's probably ok for you because they're not a country you consider a white homeland. Amnesty International? They have a psychosis!!!

You spent too much time in that white supremacist fort in Idaho. You've been brainwashed.

This should be your theme song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w

As I've explained to you countless times when you get to this lying stage, I'm not worried about one race or another. I think most races will continue to mix and that race is irrelevant.

Not anyone who criticizes Europe is bigoted. Just like not everyone who criticizes Israel is bigoted. But when it's your sole focus and you ONLY criticize white Europeans it's pretty clear that you're bigoted. You're free to prove me wrong by actually criticizing other groups, but you never do.

 

[Infohawk]

Sorry, that's not Western culture.

Yes, it's modern Western culture. You're the only doofus that acts like Victorian England is modern Western culture.

And yes, the rich Asian countries, Europe and the US are part of one larger culture now. At its core are Western values of democracy and the free market.

 

[CanOWorms]

This should be your theme song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w

As I've explained to you countless times when you get to this lying stage, I'm not worried about one race or another. I think most races will continue to mix and that race is irrelevant.

Not anyone who criticizes Europe is bigoted. Just like not everyone who criticizes Israel is bigoted. But when it's your sole focus and you ONLY criticize white Europeans it's pretty clear that you're bigoted. You're free to prove me wrong by actually criticizing other groups, but you never do.

Sorry, it's not my sole focus. I proved you wrong in this thread when I'm referring to the UAE as a slave society.

But even if there was just a single issue, that shouldn't be a problem. However, you continually bash any minority or foreign group you can. You bash Muslims, Hispanics, Mexicans, immigrants, Roma, Arabs, etc. You deny holocausts and other atrocities. If it's a thread where you can type in some racist or derogatory comment about a race, ethnicity, or religion, you do it.

 

[CanOWorms]

Yes, it's modern Western culture. You're the only doofus that acts like Victorian England is modern Western culture.

LOL, so development is Western culture. Got it! :hmm: Being modern is Western!!!!

And yes, the rich Asian countries, Europe and the US are part of one larger culture now. At its core are Western values of democracy and the free market.

They are quite linked, but not Western values at the core. Democracy is not exclusively a Western value. In addition, many Western nations are monarchies and pseudo-democracies so I'm wondering how you reconcile that. Do you only consider good things to be Western and throw out the bad?

 

[Infohawk]

Sorry, it's not my sole focus. I proved you wrong in this thread when I'm referring to the UAE as a slave society.

But even if there was just a single issue, that shouldn't be a problem. However, you continually bash any minority or foreign group you can. You bash Muslims, Hispanics, Mexicans, immigrants, Roma, Arabs, etc. You deny holocausts and other atrocities. If it's a thread where you can type in some racist or derogatory comment about a race, ethnicity, or religion, you do it.

You're only criticizing UAE to compare it to the UK. Your whole focus in this thread is to bash the UK and Europe. I don't deny holocausts. You just don't understand what a holocaust is. And sorry I've never attacked a race and that makes you a liar.

 

[Infohawk]

LOL, so development is Western culture. Got it! :hmm: Being modern is Western!!!!

They are quite linked, but not Western values at the core. Democracy is not exclusively a Western value. In addition, many Western nations are monarchies and pseudo-democracies.

Yes, modernity is Western... that's what people usually refer to when they say a country is Westernized. When Turkey attempted to westernize in the early 20th century, it promoted makeup for women and a modern western military. When Japan wanted to modernize in the 19th and early 20th centuries century, they went to Europe and the US.

 

[CanOWorms]

You're only criticizing UAE to compare it to the UK. Your whole focus in this thread is to bash the UK and Europe. I don't deny holocausts. You just don't understand what a holocaust is. And sorry I've never attacked a race and that makes you a liar.

The focus of the thread is the potential classification of European nations as third-world, but I have criticized the UAE many times. I also criticize Canada, the US, the Middle East, etc. The difference is I criticize governments or societal ills. You criticize religion, ethnicity, race itself ALL THE TIME. Just a few minutes ago you posted: "Muslims are stuck in the middle ages and don't contribute much except violence."

You also deny any atrocities linked to colonialism, especially when the victims getting slaughtered were not white Western Europeans.

 

[CanOWorms]

Yes, modernity is Western... that's what people usually refer to when they say a country is Westernized. When Turkey attempted to westernize in the early 20th century, it promoted makeup for women and a modern western military. When Japan wanted to modernize in the 19th and early 20th centuries century, they went to Europe and the US.

Again, you're stuck in the past. That's because those were the MODERNIZED countries. They just happened to be Western. When Japan wanted to modernize, they also turned into a crazed, militaristic, bigoted society. Did they get that from the West? Or did they only get the good things?