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Matt1970 said:
And yet all the definitions clearly list "or control of"
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LOL.

Honestly, everyone already understands what nationalization means, they aren't trying to fool you or make you look silly.

Its not really open to debate.

Its up to you if you want to carry on with your own personal definition but don't be surprised if most people think you're an idiot for doing it.
 
WelshBloke said:
LOL.

Honestly, everyone already understands what nationalization means, they aren't trying to fool you or make you look silly.

Its not really open to debate.

Its up to you if you want to carry on with your own personal definition but don't be surprised if most people think you're an idiot for doing it.
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Yep, I own Merriam-Webster, Dictionary.com and quite a few others.

Nationalize - to cause (something) to be under the control of a national government
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalize

Nationalize - to bring under the ownership or control of a nation
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalize?s=t

Nationalize - (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) to put (an industry, resources, etc.) under state control or ownership
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nationalize

Nationalize - to transfer ownership or control of (land, resources, industries, etc.) to the national government
http://www.yourdictionary.com/nationalize#websters

nationalization, alteration or assumption of control or ownership of private property by the state.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/405796/nationalization

My plan is working nicely. MUHWAHAHAHAHAHA
 
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Matt1970 said:
Not everything in the US is under government control.

If you want Nationalization to mean the total control of something, get the definition changed but I really think you won't be happy until you get the definition to mean only government ownership.
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Everything and everyone in the US is subject to US law.
, and therefore government control.

Everything is therefore nationalized according to my Conservative to English dictionary.

Is admitting fault that hard?
 
WelshBloke said:
Good for you. Now go and look up context.
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Don't tell him to look up words that begin with a C. He might stumble on the definition of control and be forced to deal with the fact that it has multiple meanings.

His self delusion relies completely on pretending that control only means what he needs it to mean, because if you look at the other definitions his argument unravels in seconds.
 
WelshBloke said:
Good for you. Now go and look up context.
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Nationalize - to cause (something) to be under the control of a national government
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalize

Nationalize - to bring under the ownership or control of a nation
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalize?s=t

Nationalize - (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) to put (an industry, resources, etc.) under state control or ownership
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nationalize

Nationalize - to transfer ownership or control of (land, resources, industries, etc.) to the national government
http://www.yourdictionary.com/nationalize#websters

nationalization, alteration or assumption of control or ownership of private property by the state.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...ationalization
 
Matt1970 said:
Nationalize - to cause (something) to be under the control of a national government
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalize

Nationalize - to bring under the ownership or control of a nation
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalize?s=t

Nationalize - (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) to put (an industry, resources, etc.) under state control or ownership
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nationalize

Nationalize - to transfer ownership or control of (land, resources, industries, etc.) to the national government
http://www.yourdictionary.com/nationalize#websters

nationalization, alteration or assumption of control or ownership of private property by the state.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...ationalization
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Very good. None of them imply that a regulated industry is nationalised though.

Youer utterly and completely wrong in your insane argument that somehow regulated=nationalised.

This is all very entertaining though, the only reason I'm still here is to see how long you can keep going before the embarrassment hits you. :biggrin:
 
WelshBloke said:
Very good. None of them imply that a regulated industry is nationalised though.

Youer utterly and completely wrong in your insane argument that somehow regulated=nationalised.

This is all very entertaining though, the only reason I'm still here is to see how long you can keep going before the embarrassment hits you. :biggrin:
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The only ones implying anything is you guys implying that there is a certain level of control before something is considered nationalized. That is not supported by the definition of Nationalized. It doesn't say "control, but not regulated control" it just says control. You guys are clearly having a problem with the actual definition itself. Take it up with Merriam-Webster, not me.
 
Matt1970 said:
You are making my argument for me. Regulation is control. Government regulation is Government Control. Government control is Nationalization. Plain as day as supported by the definition.
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Wait, do you seriously not understand how dictionaries work? My post destroys your point.

I'm genuinely curious if you do not understand this.
 
Matt1970 said:
The only ones implying anything is you guys implying that there is a certain level of control before something is considered nationalized. That is not supported by the definition of Nationalized. It doesn't say "control, but not regulated control" it just says control. You guys are clearly having a problem with the actual definition itself. Take it up with Merriam-Webster, not me.
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Have you actually talked to any real people about this?

Have you been locked in a cellar somewhere for most of your life?

We are not having a problem with the definitions, we are using them in the way that... well, everyone except you is using them.

You obviously have no idea at all what the hell you are talking about. Its a simple thing, much like yourself.
 
WelshBloke said:
Have you actually talked to any real people about this?

Have you been locked in a cellar somewhere for most of your life?

We are not having a problem with the definitions, we are using them in the way that... well, everyone except you is using them.

You obviously have no idea at all what the hell you are talking about. Its a simple thing, much like yourself.
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Real people have the right definition, not Merriam-Webster and their ilk?
 
Matt1970 said:
You are making my argument for me. Regulation is control. Government regulation is Government Control. Government control is Nationalization. Plain as day as supported by the definition.
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And conservatives are an illegal hallucinogen, as supported by the definition.
 
I am done with you idiots, I have work to do. I have quoted exact definitions from Merriam-Webster and their ilk. Even bolded the parts you are claiming don't exist or you think mean something different from what they say. Take it up with Merriam-Webster and their ilk. Claim your needed victory, give yourselves high-fives. Just don't glance at that scoreboard, it means something other than what it says too.
 
Matt1970 said:
Your post couldn't destroy a wet paper bag.
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Nationalize:http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nationalization
na·tion·al·ize (nsh-n-lz, nshn-)
tr.v. na·tion·al·ized, na·tion·al·iz·ing, na·tion·al·iz·es
1. To convert from private to governmental ownership and control: nationalize the steel industry.

Applicable definition of control:http://www.thefreedictionary.com/control
1. To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over; direct. See Synonyms at conduct.

Regulate: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/regulate
reg·u·late (rgy-lt)
tr.v. reg·u·lat·ed, reg·u·lat·ing, reg·u·lates
1. To control or direct according to rule, principle, or law.

Applicable definition of control:http://www.thefreedictionary.com/control
2. To adjust to a requirement; regulate: controlled trading on the stock market; controls the flow of water.

Just as in the definitions you cited, the word control has more than one meaning depending on the situation. That means that the "control" you keep bolding in the definition of nationalization does not necessarily mean the same thing as the "control" in the definition of regulation. Your entire argument relies upon both definitions using an identical meaning of the word control, despite logic and evidence clearly indicating otherwise.

This is likely why you have been utterly unable to come up with a source that says regulation is equivalent to nationalization.

I cannot believe this needs to be explained to you.
 
Matt1970 said:
I am done with you idiots, I have work to do. I have quoted exact definitions from Merriam-Webster and their ilk. Even bolded the parts you are claiming don't exist or you think mean something different from what they say. Take it up with Merriam-Webster and their ilk. Claim you needed victory, give yourselves high-fives.
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Bye Bye.
 
Matt1970 said:
I work in computer repair. There aren't any regulations I know of for computer repair.
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You work for a business, right? That business is covered under any one of hundreds, if not thousands of regulations. OSHA is the first one that springs out to me.
 
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