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Huckabee Pardons Cop Killer

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nutxo said:
Meh. They want to throw out Huckabees name because it suits their agenda. Pierce county, a county run by liberals let him go after he raped a child. 8 felony arrests in Washington state and he was still on the loose.

Its really sad when people want to turn a great tragedy into something political. 9 children left fatherless and the first thing that happens is the press starts politicizing it.
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The important part here is that we get to attack a presidential candidate.
 
eskimospy said:
Well you were probably thinking that by correcting someone on a fact that was tangential to the point he was trying to make that you could score some points. Why do you ask?

You're trying just a little too hard here.
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I am very very confused about the point you are trying to make. You blame Huckabee (not very much) for this because he commuted the sentence. You accept that when you release criminals that some of them will commit more crimes and that can't be stopped. You support Obama in his attempts to fix the Illinois justice system, which would prevent life sentences for minors.

Wouldn't Obama's policies do the exact same thing as what Huckabee did only for a larger number of people convicted as minors. If some of them are going to commit crimes, then what Obama did is going to most likely cause more harm than what Huckabee did?

You blame Huckabee for letting one man go who did a bad thing, but admit that letting people go will always result in at least some of them doing bad things again, and support Obama when he attempted to release a larger number of the same type of people?
 
Mike "revictimizer' Huckabee has a history of releasing dangerous people back on the streets.

Nov. 30--Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee’s record of freeing criminals from prison was controversial even before news that the man sought for questioning in the killing of four Lakewood police officers had a lengthy prison sentence commuted by Huckabee.

The one-time Republican presidential contender granted twice as many pardons and commutations as the previous three governors of Arkansas combined, The Associated Press reported in 2007.

In all, he issued 1,033 pardons and commutations during more than 10 years as governor -- an average of about one every four days.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us...f_freeing_criminals/srvc=home&position=recent
 
daishi5 said:
I am very very confused about the point you are trying to make. You blame Huckabee (not very much) for this because he commuted the sentence. You accept that when you release criminals that some of them will commit more crimes and that can't be stopped. You support Obama in his attempts to fix the Illinois justice system, which would prevent life sentences for minors.

Wouldn't Obama's policies do the exact same thing as what Huckabee did only for a larger number of people convicted as minors. If some of them are going to commit crimes, then what Obama did is going to most likely cause more harm than what Huckabee did?

You blame Huckabee for letting one man go who did a bad thing, but admit that letting people go will always result in at least some of them doing bad things again, and support Obama when he attempted to release a larger number of the same type of people?
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No, I support both Huckabee's and Obama's stance towards juvenile offenders in the sense that I think both should work to not lock people up for their entire lives for crimes they commit when they are juveniles.

That doesn't mean that when you specifically commute a guy's sentence who then goes out and reoffends that you have no responsibility for it. Like I said, I'm not super outraged or anything, but to say that Huckabee has zero responsibility for his action just because I agree with the larger policy is silly.
 
Lemon law said:
At the time he was pardoned, Clemmons was 28 years old, but he was sentenced to 95 years in prison in 1989 when he was basically a juvenile.

Its that underage part that might have led to the Huckabee pardon.

But a glance at his record showed Clemmons was on exactly that type of criminal progression that should have sounded alarm bells.
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He pulled on the right heart strings to get a release is all.
 
nutxo said:
Meh. They want to throw out Huckabees name because it suits their agenda. Pierce county, a county run by liberals let him go after he raped a child. 8 felony arrests in Washington state and he was still on the loose.

Its really sad when people want to turn a great tragedy into something political. 9 children left fatherless and the first thing that happens is the press starts politicizing it.
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Pierce County run by liberals? Lakewood/Tacoma, in general, is a pretty poor and crime ridden area. Lots of meth, lots of gang activity etc (this coming from someone who's from the area). That doesn't excuse the fact that this guy was out and about with 8 felonies and whatnot... but given that the whole area is pretty crappy, it's not too surprising that someone slips through the cracks. I really doubt we could attribute this to liberal vs conservative policies.
 
Putting aside the whole Arkansas fiasco that was 20 years ago...I would like to know why the fuck he was even offered a bond given his past record and he was charged with RAPING a child.

That to me trumps anything Huck may have done back in 1989.
 
Wheezer said:
Putting aside the whole Arkansas fiasco that was 20 years ago...I would like to know why the fuck he was even offered a bond given his past record and he was charged with RAPING a child.

That to me trumps anything Huck may have done back in 1989.
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Yup and for a measly $150,000 also. This guy should've had a $3 million bond, or none set at all.

EDIT, POS is dead! yay!
 
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Zebo said:
Huck is done. Guy should have been in prison 98 years per statute but was let out after 8 by Huckabee. Especially so since he runs on the Republican ticket who are law and order types unlike liberals who even after this would pardon him.
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liberals are law and order types. for example I favor increasing spending on prisons and law enforcement, as well as increased spending on education and mental health.

I believe the current thinking by conservatives on law and order is everyone is supposed to be armed, presumably to shoot people who are going to murder them. example, no taxes on guns is one approach to stopping crime. So it's the victim's fault for not shooting him.

Basically everybody but fetuses are supposed to take care of themselves. Prisons should be used to lock up pregnant women to make sure they give birth. Or you could lock up all women to keep them from getting pregnant.

Works for the Taliban.
 
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Wheezer said:
Putting aside the whole Arkansas fiasco that was 20 years ago...I would like to know why the fuck he was even offered a bond given his past record and he was charged with RAPING a child.

That to me trumps anything Huck may have done back in 1989.
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i agree, huckabee pardoned him because the guy got a 100+ year prison sentence at the age of 17 for robbery. he had a good prison record, found god and begged for mercy and it was grranted.

when the dirt bag moved to the northwest he has had 8 fucking arrest while on parole.
 
Robor said:
Would he have been in jail were it not for MH's actions?
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how about blaming the Lakewood justice system for letting this guy out on bond for 2nd degree rape of a child, assault on a police office and the rest of the laundry list of crimes this did.
 
OutHouse said:
how about blaming the Lakewood justice system for letting this guy out on bond for 2nd degree rape of a child, assault on a police office and the rest of the laundry list of crimes this did.
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They absolutely share part of the blame. The guy was a hard-core criminal and obviously had no place in society.
 
shira said:
So is the point that sentences should never, ever be commuted, regardless of the recommendations of parole boards? And any governor who commutes a sentence should be second-guessed if - years later - the person commits another crime?

I know: Let's sentence every person found guilty of any felony to life in prison without chance of parole. And let's change the laws so that no governor has the power to commute sentences.

Commit a crime; rot in prison forever. We'll all be much safer.
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life sentence for a robbery charge at 16 years old is a bit over the top.
 
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Robor said:
They absolutely share part of the blame.
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No, you are absolutely wrong on this, they do not share a part of the blame.

However, they all do share a part of the responsibility to help make sure situations like this don't repeat themselves in the future.
 
OutHouse said:
i agree, huckabee pardoned him because the guy got a 100+ year prison sentence at the age of 17 for robbery. he had a good prison record, found god and begged for mercy and it was grranted.

when the dirt bag moved to the northwest he has had 8 fucking arrest while on parole.
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I can't wait to find God after I go on a killing spree. Jesus, Allah, Buddha, I love you all!
 
eskimospy said:
No, I support both Huckabee's and Obama's stance towards juvenile offenders in the sense that I think both should work to not lock people up for their entire lives for crimes they commit when they are juveniles.

That doesn't mean that when you specifically commute a guy's sentence who then goes out and reoffends that you have no responsibility for it. Like I said, I'm not super outraged or anything, but to say that Huckabee has zero responsibility for his action just because I agree with the larger policy is silly.
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I disagree. If a person commits an act in good faith, and has know way of knowing of bad consequences of the action I would not assign any moral responsibility or blame to that person. The person of course, was causual to the act in that if he had not done what he did it would not have happened. For example if a doctor is operating on a patient, no one knows the patient has an allergy, a test even failed to detect the allergy, and while operating the allergy causes complications that kill the patient; I do not blame the doctor.

I don't see anything in the article that hints that when Huckabee commuted his sentence he knew the person would commit violent crimes. None of the crimes listed mention a victim being harmed, although at least one crime included gun possession. If you have some evidence that Huckabee was at least partially aware that this criminal was more likely to commit more violent crimes than any other juvenile sentenced to a life sentence I would agree with your position. I am not saying there is no evidence, but I have not seen any presented.

I also don't see how specifically commuting a persons sentence is more responsible for that persons crime than a blanket reduction in sentences that would ensure that no juvenile offender would ever be locked away for life; no matter how heinous his crimes and no matter what evidence there might be that he would commit more crimes. In fact, Huckabees action of reveiwing the cases and releasing only the ones that appear to be safe and have a chance in the real world seems to be the most responsible.
 
cubby1223 said:
No, you are absolutely wrong on this, they do not share a part of the blame.

However, they all do share a part of the responsibility to help make sure situations like this don't repeat themselves in the future.
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I would agree with you if this had never happened before. That isn't the case so they definitely share in the blame.
 
daishi5 said:
I disagree. If a person commits an act in good faith, and has know way of knowing of bad consequences of the action I would not assign any moral responsibility or blame to that person. The person of course, was causual to the act in that if he had not done what he did it would not have happened. For example if a doctor is operating on a patient, no one knows the patient has an allergy, a test even failed to detect the allergy, and while operating the allergy causes complications that kill the patient; I do not blame the doctor.

I don't see anything in the article that hints that when Huckabee commuted his sentence he knew the person would commit violent crimes. None of the crimes listed mention a victim being harmed, although at least one crime included gun possession. If you have some evidence that Huckabee was at least partially aware that this criminal was more likely to commit more violent crimes than any other juvenile sentenced to a life sentence I would agree with your position. I am not saying there is no evidence, but I have not seen any presented.

I also don't see how specifically commuting a persons sentence is more responsible for that persons crime than a blanket reduction in sentences that would ensure that no juvenile offender would ever be locked away for life; no matter how heinous his crimes and no matter what evidence there might be that he would commit more crimes. In fact, Huckabees action of reveiwing the cases and releasing only the ones that appear to be safe and have a chance in the real world seems to be the most responsible.
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I don't think you can reasonably say that Huckabee had no idea the guy would go out and commit another violent crime, as he was in jail for a violent crime (robbery) when his sentence was commuted.
 
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