Huckabee Pardons Cop Killer

shira

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So is the point that sentences should never, ever be commuted, regardless of the recommendations of parole boards? And any governor who commutes a sentence should be second-guessed if - years later - the person commits another crime?

I know: Let's sentence every person found guilty of any felony to life in prison without chance of parole. And let's change the laws so that no governor has the power to commute sentences.

Commit a crime; rot in prison forever. We'll all be much safer.
 

nutxo

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Meh. They want to throw out Huckabees name because it suits their agenda. Pierce county, a county run by liberals let him go after he raped a child. 8 felony arrests in Washington state and he was still on the loose.

Its really sad when people want to turn a great tragedy into something political. 9 children left fatherless and the first thing that happens is the press starts politicizing it.
 

sandorski

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Meh. They want to throw out Huckabees name because it suits their agenda. Pierce county, a county run by liberals let him go after he raped a child. 8 felony arrests in Washington state and he was still on the loose.

Its really sad when people want to turn a great tragedy into something political. 9 children left fatherless and the first thing that happens is the press starts politicizing it.

It would happen either way(Republican/Democrat).
 

Zebo

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Violent criminal, upteen felonies, 48 years, charged with child rape and waiting to be arrested on 8 more felonies, is let out of prison and kills 4.

Lots of bloody hands in this story except prosecutor who was adamant bout no clemency.

But whom am I to judge? He probably is a good man just deserving some social justice so he could have just one more chance to turn his life around. sarceyes

Put a fork in it Huck, you done.
 
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Robor

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Meh. They want to throw out Huckabees name because it suits their agenda. Pierce county, a county run by liberals let him go after he raped a child. 8 felony arrests in Washington state and he was still on the loose.

Its really sad when people want to turn a great tragedy into something political. 9 children left fatherless and the first thing that happens is the press starts politicizing it.

Oh the irony. :rolleyes:
 

fskimospy

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Meh. They want to throw out Huckabees name because it suits their agenda. Pierce county, a county run by liberals let him go after he raped a child. 8 felony arrests in Washington state and he was still on the loose.

Its really sad when people want to turn a great tragedy into something political. 9 children left fatherless and the first thing that happens is the press starts politicizing it.

The press is publishing it because he was pardoned by a notable person. This is yet another case of seeing bias where none exists. Do you really think if someone Bill Clinton had pardoned had gone off and murdered a bunch of people it would not have been reported? Silliness.
 

Lemon law

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At the time he was pardoned, Clemmons was 28 years old, but he was sentenced to 95 years in prison in 1989 when he was basically a juvenile.

Its that underage part that might have led to the Huckabee pardon.

But a glance at his record showed Clemmons was on exactly that type of criminal progression that should have sounded alarm bells.
 

Genx87

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So is the point that sentences should never, ever be commuted, regardless of the recommendations of parole boards? And any governor who commutes a sentence should be second-guessed if - years later - the person commits another crime?

I know: Let's sentence every person found guilty of any felony to life in prison without chance of parole. And let's change the laws so that no governor has the power to commute sentences.

Commit a crime; rot in prison forever. We'll all be much safer.

There is a difference between serving your sentence and having one commuted. Then both committing another crime. If you cant see that then breath a little and think about it.
 

Moonbeam

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Sounds like the parole board failed their job miserably.

Sounds like you don't understand how to critically think. How do you know it wasn't one failure in thousands of successes? Have you some unannounced expertise in the area?
 

LegendKiller

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What's sad is that this guy was let out time and again, yet some guy who likes to smoke pot is tossed in with people like him, well, the pot smoker is tossed in with him until he gets his sentence commuted.

Personally, child rapists should *NEVER* be let out. The recidivism rate is far too high.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Pardoned. He pardoned, past tense, not pardons, as in present tense. Past tense as in nine years ago. The thread title is misleading.

This situation is...curious. Though this will look bad for Huckabee (as it should), what about the parole boards and all of the other institutional checks and balances that were supposed to take place?

"Clemmons' criminal history includes at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and at least eight felony charges in Washington. The record also stands out for the number of times he has been released from custody despite questions about the danger he posed."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html

This is just an attempt to smear one man, who though he did make a bad decision, is hardly the only one at fault here.
 
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Cheesetogo

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Pardoned. He pardoned, past tense, not pardons, as in present tense. Past tense as in nine years ago. The thread title is misleading.

This situation is...curious. Though this will look bad for Huckabee (as it should), what about the parole boards and all of the other institutional checks and balances that were supposed to take place?

"Clemmons' criminal history includes at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and at least eight felony charges in Washington. The record also stands out for the number of times he has been released from custody despite questions about the danger he posed."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html

This is just an attempt to smear one man, who though he did make a bad decision, is hardly the only one at fault here.

Huckabee didn't even pardon him, he commuted the sentence. Given, it resulted in him being released shortly after anyways, but there's still a difference.
 

fskimospy

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Exactly how is he blameless? Sure, he doesn't deserve all of the blame but I don't get how he doesn't share it.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we can fix at least some of the blame for a killer on the guy who freed him to kill again.

That being said, I think that we're far too afraid of crime in this country and I'm sad that this will likely make future governors less willing to commute/pardon sentences. If you commute sentences, sooner or later you're going to do it to someone who will offend again. Looks like they blew it on this one, but that's pretty much inevitable. So I'll blame Huckabee for this, but not that much.
 

Vette73

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IMO Huckabee is blameless here. Nevertheless, it could end his political career.


Same could be said about Michael Dukakis and willie horton. But like Dukakis, could end his run.

Good thing for Huckabee is its still a long time till 2012, so this will likely not be as big if he plays it well.