JEDIYoda
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JEDIYoda
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You know, religion has become an easy scapegoat, and that really isn't fair at all. Take away religion, and see if violence would even decreases in our part of the world.
I don't quite know what Huckabee was implying here, but accoutablility to God does keep people from doing bad things, hence, he did say that if we did keep God in the fore, we wouldn't worry about having to look to him in the rear, or something to that effect. We did notice a lot of "prayers" on behalf of the victims' families, so that makes sense in what he said.
Rob M.
Religion is no magic balm that retards violence in the mentally unstable. I would imagine that statistically, the higher the density of believers in a population, the more likely the "God told me to do it" explanation would surface.
If you really believe that constant reminders of your faith would have a positive effect, I suggest that you and all other believers tattoo the symbol of your religion on your foreheads as that reminder. People would see it and be reminded hundreds of times a day.
Religion is no magic balm that retards violence in the mentally unstable. I would imagine that statistically, the higher the density of believers in a population, the more likely the "God told me to do it" explanation would surface.
If you really believe that constant reminders of your faith would have a positive effect, I suggest that you and all other believers tattoo the symbol of your religion on your foreheads as that reminder. People would see it and be reminded hundreds of times a day.
JEDIYoda
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wow chip on your shoulder???
Just because you are not a believer doesn`t mean that you need to be an idiot and not understand what Rob is actually saying!!
The interesting thing about why you tried to beat Rob up is the same exact thing that can also be said of your non belief..............
Amazing how few Americans (many taught in our public schools) understand the difference between freedom *of* religion and *from* religion... and I'm no fan of Huckabee.
shortylickens
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JEDIYoda
Beat him up? He's the one that suggested faith is so weak that it needs to be constantly reinforced least it lapse. He seemed to agree with Huck that every non-Christians should get out of the way and allow Christians to slather a layer of Christianity over everyday life for all of us, regardless of belief. I am offended by the idea that my grandkids need to be bathed in a particular brand of religion in school to insure that they do not do evil acts. If you really feel the need for your kids to have more exposure to Christianity on a daily basis, do it at home. Especially during summer vacation, least they relapse.
Many other countries have a far lower rate of belief and have far lower rates of violence per capita than we do. Do any of you here attribute the fact that you are not mass murderers strictly to your beliefs? Would you claim that atheists are more prone to be?
So, what was it that I missed him saying?
Beat him up? He's the one that suggested faith is so weak that it needs to be constantly reinforced least it lapse. He seemed to agree with Huck that every non-Christians should get out of the way and allow Christians to slather a layer of Christianity over everyday life for all of us, regardless of belief. I am offended by the idea that my grandkids need to be bathed in a particular brand of religion in school to insure that they do not do evil acts. If you really feel the need for your kids to have more exposure to Christianity on a daily basis, do it at home. Especially during summer vacation, least they relapse.
Many other countries have a far lower rate of belief and have far lower rates of violence per capita than we do. Do any of you here attribute the fact that you are not mass murderers strictly to your beliefs? Would you claim that atheists are more prone to be?
So, what was it that I missed him saying?
I don't completely agree with Huck, but the import of what he said makes some sense seeing how AFTER tragedy strikes, people want to turn to God and "pray" that "God is with them". But during everyday life, God is forgotten. That's what he was saying. If God is that important to people at the end, why is he less important at the beginning?
Maybe things may change if people kept God in their life from the start, was his point. It was easy to pick that up. I don't agree that "religion" (since there are so many different ones out there that teach different things) would have prevented this, or even God... but each person have to take it upon themselves to refrain from stupidity.
We have to learn to move on, we really do. I have family members who were victims of racial hate and segregation way back when, and probably some who were slaves. Many were tortured and killed simply becasue of their race -- nothing else. I never have reached back into history and used that as a reason to hate White people.. never. Yet, people make the same argument against religion and even use that as valid reason to not like it.
Religion has plenty blood on its hands, and so does racist and segregationists, some of whom are probably still alive today that still have some hate toward minorities. Yet, we've learned to move on and build a stronger country without banishing their ancestors.
You can feel how you want about God and religion at the end of the day, but keep looking into the past and holding on to it, you would never move forward.
Londo_Jowo
Lifer
President Obama quoted scripture from the Bible yesterday, why are there no threads condemning him for doing so?
shortylickens
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I dont like Obama, but at least he doesnt drink jesus blood in front of millions of suckers.
All those nutjobs out there claiming to be true christians are full of shit and dangerous besides.
kage69
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This isn't about Obama, but I will indulge you.
One of the great things about Obama is he doesn't wear his faith on his sleeve. That doesn't mean he has to strike any mention of christianity from his addresses.
Also, unlike a lot of heavily religious figures, we don't see Obama advocating religious behavior and morals, then practicing the opposite in a "do as I say not as I do" mentality.
Obama's counterparts across the isle are the ones mainly known for that. If the reaction to it isn't spread around in a bipartisan enough manner to suit your tastes, it would seem politics is your primary beef here, not behavior.
Londo_Jowo
Lifer
Phokus
Lifer
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Londo_Jowo
Lifer
Thank you for admitting what no one else in this thread would admit.
It must be hell to live with so much hate.
hal2kilo
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Phokus
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Hope you're talking about rightwing christians. Maybe you should ask them why they hate gays and non-christians so much.
Londo_Jowo
Lifer
Nope, I'm talking about people like you that are no different that those evil Christians you hate so badly.
kage69
Lifer
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I think it's good if you can be honest with yourself. Resentment isn't hate. Pity isn't hate. Boredom isn't hate. Amusement isn't hate.
If christians don't want to be laughed at, they shouldn't say such laughable things.
Jeff7
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Praying afterward would seem to be rather futile anyway. God didn't seem to be too terribly interested in doing anything to help those fearing for or losing their lives.
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