I have a question! Arent the next line of GPU's from Nvidia going to be the PCX ones? I mean it shows them on the site but is that just an idea or is that supposed to happen? Why would they release PCX versions of the current generation when the new generations are supposed to come out?
So they have a product (which supports the latest interface technology) for *every* conceivable price point. This allows them to make more money
Jeff7181
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As far as I know so far, nVidia is going to be using an AGP to PCI Express bridge... while ATI has chosen to fully adopt PCI Express and not bother with a bridge. So while nVidia will probably have every one of it's cores available in either PCI Express or AGP flavors, ATI's top of the line will probalby be PCI Express exclusively, and their mid and low end cards will probably be AGP.
silvertrine could you seriously back off your fanboi comments, it is quite annoying and they never add anything to the discussion except additional flaming.
Do you really think that if ATI's drivers were that horrible that there wouldn't be a mass outcry from the gaming community and from even your average users?
Come on now, let's use a little common sense here...
As I've already said: neither company is perfect in any way, nor are their products (this includes both video cards and drivers). If you think otherwise, you're a foolish fanboy.
I don't want to get dragged into this discussion, but ATI is putting out the R420 in AGP, and then the R423 will be the PCI-E version. I believe there is at least *one* more card (probably a refresh part) coming in AGP, but after that all bets are off. Their midrange cards should be out in both PCI-E and AGP.
5 distinct NV processors? WTF is this? We are moving from a 3-tiered system of: Budget, Mid-range, High-end to a 5-tiered system of: Budget, Budget Mid-range, Mid-range, High-end Mid-Range, High-end? This already happened, look at the FX5900XTs and R9800SEs, as well as their mid-range counterparts (the R9600SE and the FX57/600XT). Are they simply going to target processors at these ranges now? Is there really demand for more than a three tiered system at the moment? I suppose so since we've had the 5-tiered offerings for some time now...
Current system is still a 3 tier, they just throw in the other BS versions to trick people into think they are buying a a higher tier than they are really getting
Soulkeeper
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i wish they would keep their next product release simple
only like 3 gpu's (highend, midrange, lowend)
anymore and people are either getting confused or ripped off
only like 3 gpu's (highend, midrange, lowend)
anymore and people are either getting confused or ripped off
Secondly, on the Nvidia cheating fiascos: obviously someone out there had to notice all the cheats Nvidia put in their drivers or they never would have come out.
You know how it worked? Somebody tried something in the developer version of the software. The Fanbois jumped on and within weeks all we got were comparision shots at 600x zoom proving Nvidia cheats even more than they already did. It was like lynchmob trying to find anything and everything they could wrong with every single shot. It was probably the saddest display I have seen yet from the reviewer community.
All those articles didn't just write themselves, afterall. Oh, and on a side-note: that's just about the saddest fanboy statement I've heard in a long time. "if somebody didn't spoonfeed you what is being cheated on would you even notice?" I sincerely hope that was a joke...
I buy a product. If the product produces something that I cant tell a difference on the picture quality and need the likes of Tom or Anand to blow up a picture and zoom in to 600x to prove something I dont care. No, I really dont care. I wont notice the difference in the game and either will you.
It's people like you that are ultimately responsible for the cheating that is rampant in the video card industry.
Just rampant huh?
If everyone in the market for a new video card had been informed of the fiascos and saw them for what they were, rather than brushing them aside because of some foolish allegiance to a corporation, there might not even be an Nvidia right now.
Oh right, get off the high horse. Most people can really care less if frame 4005 on this benchmark is rendered ever so slightly incorrect. It is only the fanbois who need something to grasp onto and the perfectionists who really care about whether frame x from this angle looks incorrect. Who give a shat, just play the game. If the iq is that bad it will speak for itself. We wont need reviewers rehashing the same pics about a small iq issue nobody would notice unless it was pointed out to them.
You simply cannot excuse what Nvidia has done as anything less than purposeful, repeated cheating.
Repeated cheating? 3dmark03 has never touched my machine, never will. I really dont care if they used a static clip plane and or custom shader replacements. I have yet had an issue with any games I play and if Nvidia is replacing shaders with better optimized ones and I cant tell the difference in IQ, and it doesnt break the game, I win.
Oh, and just to clarify my choice in video cards (since I'm sure it will come up) I use an ATI Radeon 9600 AIW Pro in my system, and love it I've used quite a few graphics cards over the past several years, everything from an Nvidia Riva128ZX 8MB AGP card to my current Radeon 9600 AIW
I have the same card in my workstation.
You know how it worked? Somebody tried something in the developer version of the software. The Fanbois jumped on and within weeks all we got were comparision shots at 600x zoom proving Nvidia cheats even more than they already did. It was like lynchmob trying to find anything and everything they could wrong with every single shot. It was probably the saddest display I have seen yet from the reviewer community.
All those articles didn't just write themselves, afterall. Oh, and on a side-note: that's just about the saddest fanboy statement I've heard in a long time. "if somebody didn't spoonfeed you what is being cheated on would you even notice?" I sincerely hope that was a joke...
I buy a product. If the product produces something that I cant tell a difference on the picture quality and need the likes of Tom or Anand to blow up a picture and zoom in to 600x to prove something I dont care. No, I really dont care. I wont notice the difference in the game and either will you.
It's people like you that are ultimately responsible for the cheating that is rampant in the video card industry.
Just rampant huh?
If everyone in the market for a new video card had been informed of the fiascos and saw them for what they were, rather than brushing them aside because of some foolish allegiance to a corporation, there might not even be an Nvidia right now.
Oh right, get off the high horse. Most people can really care less if frame 4005 on this benchmark is rendered ever so slightly incorrect. It is only the fanbois who need something to grasp onto and the perfectionists who really care about whether frame x from this angle looks incorrect. Who give a shat, just play the game. If the iq is that bad it will speak for itself. We wont need reviewers rehashing the same pics about a small iq issue nobody would notice unless it was pointed out to them.
You simply cannot excuse what Nvidia has done as anything less than purposeful, repeated cheating.
Repeated cheating? 3dmark03 has never touched my machine, never will. I really dont care if they used a static clip plane and or custom shader replacements. I have yet had an issue with any games I play and if Nvidia is replacing shaders with better optimized ones and I cant tell the difference in IQ, and it doesnt break the game, I win.
Oh, and just to clarify my choice in video cards (since I'm sure it will come up) I use an ATI Radeon 9600 AIW Pro in my system, and love it I've used quite a few graphics cards over the past several years, everything from an Nvidia Riva128ZX 8MB AGP card to my current Radeon 9600 AIW
I have the same card in my workstation.
If the only way you can "refute" my statements is to take everything I say and blow it way the hell out of proportion then there's no point in continuing this.
The facts speak for themselves. Nvidia has been caught cheating repeatedly. Who cares how they were caught? Nvidia has (and continues) to lower image quality behind the scenes (hopefully without the user's knowledge) to gain speed in popular benchmarks (real and synthetic).
Can you honestly say they haven't done that? I don't care if the IQ loss is only apparent to 1% of the population, IT'S STILL CHEATING!
Oh, and if you think 3dmark03 is the only app in which Nvidia has been caught cheating I suggest you do your homework a little more thoroughly
Aquamark ring a bell? Whole shaders removed from scenes you say? If you don't notice a large area of the screen being rendered improperly, then you're either not paying attention or you've just become used to Nvidia's lowered IQ compared to say ATI or Matrox. We're not talking about replacement shaders here, we're talking about the complete lack thereof. Clip planes, removed shaders, lowered filtering quality, application detection for the purpose of "optimization", how is that not cheating? Think what you like about Nvidia. It's quite obvious to everyone but Nvidiots that Nvidia has cheated and continues to do so. This is not to say that ATI has never cheated, but at least they admitted to it and corrected the mistakes. Nvidia just tried to brush everything under the carpet and bury their cheats a little deeper in their drivers.
SneakyStuff
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I used to believe nVidia, I mean, the GF4 TI series actually delivered what they promised. The FX5800 claim was...
DOO DOO. I'm all for second chances though, if nVidia delivers this time, that's great. Too bad the proce tag would most likely be sky high :Q
DOO DOO. I'm all for second chances though, if nVidia delivers this time, that's great. Too bad the proce tag would most likely be sky high :Q
Same here I mean whats with the 5900XT, SE, and plain 5900? They are just different in clock speeds so why put all those different price ranges for the same product? I know a lot of you are going to see it different but thats how I think it should be. It seems only Nvidia is doing this but there are the 9600Pro and XT too.
Check that again, the Radeon XTs predate the GFFX XTs. For ATI cards the XT indicates increased performance, but with the FX line it indicates decreased performance.
I wasnt talking about performance Im just talking about how there are different versions of the *same* thing rather than just 3 simple classes of performance. NEWBIE!
I wasnt talking about performance Im just talking about how there are different versions of the *same* thing rather than just 3 simple classes of performance. NEWBIE!
I don't understand why so many are discounting ATI's 420 just because there's no hype behind it, it's simply not ATI's style to do that. Jen-Hsun is a salesman, I listen to him speak in the shareholder meetings and KNOW a lot of what he is saying is either BS or complete song and dance. He reminds me of a door to door vacuum salesman trying to convince me why I should spend a paycheck or two on his product. My theory is that when you have a good product, it sells itself. Perhaps ATI just doesn't need to say, "hey our next part is going to kick your parts arse!"... they'll just let the 420 speak for them
Umm, my response was to this part of what I quoted:
You are wrong, the only person to whom it "seems only Nvidia is doing this" would be yourself, since ATI started the trend before Nvidia with the XT naming conventions. Should probably be pointed out that there were GF4 Ti4x00SE cards, as well as various other appended two or three letter codes by both companies in the past. LE, VE, SE, Ti, just to name a few.
By the way, no need to resort to namecalling, I was merely pointing out the facts.
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