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HTC's in ur phonez, stealin ur dataz

quakefiend420

quakefiend420

Lifer
And you thought that Apple tracking location data was bad...

http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...evices-well-there-is-more-and-it-isnt-pretty/

I know the dev who found this factory installed malware, and he has more releases planned to force them to do something to stop it. He gave them the chance to come clean, they didn't...they said that it could be opted out of...they lied.

This needs to get a lot more attention that it is getting currently, there's a lot more to this than what he's released so far...this will get ugly.
 
quakefiend420 said:
This needs to get a lot more attention that it is getting currently, there's a lot more to this than what he's released so far...this will get ugly.
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While the situation pisses me off, nothing will happen because people don't care about their privacy any more. IE: Facebook.
 
when i traded my 3GS for a HTC Inspire i noticed that for some reason i'm using more data than before. oh well, new iphone is coming soon and i'm due for an upgrade.

this doesn't really bother me that much except for the fact that it uses data from the 2GB chunk. i smell a class action suit
 
cheezy321 said:
Where is the outrage?
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I'll definitely stay away from their products, and advise the people I know to do the same as well.

As for the lack of replies... well, I guess that most of us are somewhat cynical when it comes to believing companies respecting privacy, so this news may not feel that unexpected.
 
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General Kenobi said:
I'll definitely stay away from their products, and advise the people I know to do the same as well.

As for the lack of replies... well, I guess that most of us are somewhat cynical when it comes to believing companies respecting privacy, so this news may not feel that unexpected.
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Yea, after all these other phone makers getting outed, we're used to it now. If you want privacy, don't get any smartphone at all. It just comes with the territory.
 
most of this is for diagnostics and "telemetry" to track bugs and issues. not spying

if there was no logging how are the cell phone makers supposed to find bugs in the software?
 
alent1234 said:
most of this is for diagnostics and "telemetry" to track bugs and issues. not spying

if there was no logging how are the cell phone makers supposed to find bugs in the software?
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Its still not acceptable to non warn/allow an opt out for the end user and use my data to do it.

Its also one of the reasons that I figure a decent AOSP Rom into my buying decisions.
 
alent1234 said:
most of this is for diagnostics and "telemetry" to track bugs and issues. not spying
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...e-numbers-gps-sms-emails-addresses-much-more/

Here's a more extensive write up. From what I'm reading, this goes beyond diagnostics and bug tracking. And since its not just HTC that can get access to this information, its a damn serious breach.

That is not the case. What Trevor found is only the tip of the iceberg - we are all still digging deeper - but currently any app on affected devices that requests a single android.permission.INTERNET (which is normal for any app that connects to the web or shows ads) can get its hands on:

the list of user accounts, including email addresses and sync status for each
last known network and GPS locations and a limited previous history of locations
phone numbers from the phone log

SMS data, including phone numbers and encoded text (not sure yet if it's possible to decode it, but very likely)

system logs (both kernel/dmesg and app/logcat), which includes everything your running apps do and is likely to include email addresses, phone numbers, and other private info
Normally, applications get access to only what is allowed by the permissions they request, so when you install a simple, innocent-looking new game from the Market that only asks for the INTERNET permission (to submit scores online, for example), you don't expect it to read your phone log or list of emails.

But that's not all. After looking at the huge amount of data (the log file was 3.5MB on my EVO 3D) that is vulnerable to apps exploiting this vulnerability all day, I found the following is also exposed:
-active notifications in the notification bar, including notification text
-build number, bootloader version, radio version, kernel version
-network info, including IP addresses
-full memory info
-CPU info
-file system info and free space on each partition
-running processes
-current snapshot/stacktrace of not only every running process but every running thread
-list of installed apps, including permissions used, user ids, versions, and more
-system properties/variables
-currently active broadcast listeners and history of past broadcasts received
-currently active content providers
-battery info and status, including charging/wake lock history
-and more
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Bateluer said:
Here's a more extensive write up. From what I'm reading, this goes beyond diagnostics and bug tracking. And since its not just HTC that can get access to this information, its a damn serious breach.
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To be fair, there's no indication that any apps DO grab this information - yet. It does mean I'd be way more cautious about downloading any apps though.

stacey1981 said:
I find this concerning. I too now wonder if WP7 has something similiar, if not it's a good selling point.
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Without access to the source code, how is anyone going to know whether they're lying?

Pliablemoose said:
I just sort of assume anything I do is tracked, recorded etc...
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This.
 
In times gone by (long gone by) the various governments around the world would prosecute companies for such acts but no longer. The data that can and is being collected on everyone of us is data these governments also want access to. So from the intelligence agencies to various police groups the ability to get access to this information is so inviting that no government will step in to stop this nonsense. They may seek a subpoena but don't count on it...

It's easy to say that it's our choice to own a smart phone and be tracked, but that isn't always the case. My company provides me an iPhone4 with the expectation that they can get a hold of me at any time. So, to remain employed, I have a data gathering device that I have little control over.

Nothing much will happen until the public decides to take the government back and when that happens look out!


Brian
 
I think the only people who really care can take care of it themselves either rooting or Getting a custom rom.
The clueless ones don't care about it nor anything.
It won't be a big deal and htc will just walk out clean from this one.


Sent from my ADR6400L
 
vshah said:
CM7, no point trying anything else.
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For my personal phone I'm contemplating getting the Samsung Galaxy Note. I did not root my EVO 4G as it was my only phone and my company paid for it, but if I get the Note it will be mine free and clear so rooting is in my plan. The only thing I'm concerned with if I root is losing some of the special apps Samsung has developed to take advantage of the s-pen. Is there a way to pick and chose which apps get installed when you root?


Brian
 
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