moshquerade
No Lifer
- Nov 1, 2001
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i am leary of it too. too many times the FDA has given its' approval only to rescind it after "the guinea pigs" suffered ill effects.
rivan
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- Jul 8, 2003
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I have a 3 year old daughter, and will soon have a son. I agree that children need to be taught to be safe, but I also think that sometimes sh!t happens (say the condom breaks and the boy's a carrier, or any of a dozen less-desirable circumstances), and I don't want cancer 15 years down the road to be the outcome.
I get the feeling that a sh!tload of propaganda is going to be spread about this vaccine because the "moral authority" opposes vaccinations that prevent STDs.
- Jun 5, 2000
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1. the government has no business telling me to get my daughters vaccinated against a STD.
2. The governmnet has no business in making me pay for a shot made by only one company.
I am not completely against the shot, and my daughters may get it, both are of age to take them down to our family doc and get it. My problem is the government mandating that i have to do it.
as far as that line in the bill where parents can opt out of getting it well, what about the first part?
so if this bill passes as written and i decide as a perent to opt out will my kids be allowed to attend school? notice it said school so that means all schools, public, charter, private...
ok lets see. They don't give this to men so can you explain how it will be erradicated?
OH that is right, it won't be. There is still sex that goes on between two men. So the virus will still be around, women vaccinated for it just won't get it.
Next I bet you are going to tell me that there are no men that swing both ways. They thought the same about AIDS.
moshquerade
No Lifer
- Nov 1, 2001
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Are you suggesting that the two are mutually exclusive? Vaccinations do not prevent parents from educating their children about safe sex. If a parent would say "well, she got the shot, I don't have to tell her to be careful now", that's a parent who wouldn't talk to her about it anyway. Your whole argument is ridiculous.
dainthomas
Lifer
- Dec 7, 2004
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Unless a vaccine is required, then the possibility of wiping out a disease is greatly reduced. It's unfortunate that people believe their precious little angels will never want to have sex when they become physically mature. Also unfortunate is the price many women will pay for their parents' shortsightedness and/or ignorance.
I'm waiting to hear a reason, based on science rather than wishful thinking, for not requiring this vaccine.
It is not fully tested, it's true efficacy is unknown and there have been reports of possibly related ill side effects and birth defects. The infection is also preventable by abstinence and greatly reduced by using a condom, it is not transmittable through the air like most other required vaccinations. And pre-invasive cervical cancer, when caught in it's early stages with a pap smear, is pretty much 100% curable.
It is also unknown how the entire population of HPV strains (150+) will react over time when 4 of their most infective and carcinogenic types are being eradicated. A virus such as HPV can evolve quite quickly, and other strains may take their place or hybridize in such a way to make the vaccine obsolete. We need a new flu vaccine every year, and the last thing we need is an arms race of untested vaccines vs a rapidly evolving virus.
In time, if the vaccine has proven itself, then certainly it could be mandated. Until then, frequent screening is inexpensive, more effective in keeping you from getting malignant cancer, yet poses little risk.
I hope you realize that HPV is spread by contact. Wearing a condom does not prevent you from transferring it.
Just think, odds are good that you already have it.
Open your eyes and yes it is quite common. Most of the "articles" and proof comes from groups that were against this before it even came out. They are just grabbing at anything to try and make sure it does not get used.
That and OP where is the link to where this peice came from?
And also condoms do not protect against this. So even if you use a condom you can still get it.
rbV5
Lifer
- Dec 10, 2000
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I have children, a daughter in fact. Save a real health concern, I absolutely welcome a vaccine that will protect her from a common form of cancer...damn straight.
I'm quite certain my GreatGrandmother and every succeeding generation had premarital sex. She may have only had it with GreatGrandpa (doubt it), but I'm not so sure about the converse (seriously doubt it).
My own mother was diagnosed with cervical cancer in her early 20's, caught early, and treated successfully. I never knew it at the time, but she sat down and told me a couple years ago when going through radiation treatment for throat cancer (again, successfully treated, caught early) When she was telling me the story, I could see my Dad begin to tremble recalling how scared he was for the life of his young wife and their 3 young children.
Not everyone gets an early diagnosis, and successful treatment. There was no vaccine back then, there is now, and my daughter won't have that hanging over her head.
yeah, and chlorinated water is a communist plot, too.
go put some more tin foil on your head. HPV is very real threat. i know people who have it already. this is like saying we shouldn't have to get AIDS vaccines should one exist, or even that the smallpox vaccine should have been optional for our parents. if that had been the case, we'd still be fighting smallpox. it's a matter of responsibly to the society in which you live to ensure that you don't become a carrier of potentially deadly disease. since many carriers never know they have it, it isn't enough to just say "i'll wear a condom forever with every partner, even my husband, forever. i'll never try to get pregnant, ever, and i'll never ever have more than one sexual partner in my entire life." that's NOT taking personal responsibility, because it isn't realistic. getting vaccinated is the only responsible option that we currently have, for any of these current diseases.
go put some more tin foil on your head. HPV is very real threat. i know people who have it already. this is like saying we shouldn't have to get AIDS vaccines should one exist, or even that the smallpox vaccine should have been optional for our parents. if that had been the case, we'd still be fighting smallpox. it's a matter of responsibly to the society in which you live to ensure that you don't become a carrier of potentially deadly disease. since many carriers never know they have it, it isn't enough to just say "i'll wear a condom forever with every partner, even my husband, forever. i'll never try to get pregnant, ever, and i'll never ever have more than one sexual partner in my entire life." that's NOT taking personal responsibility, because it isn't realistic. getting vaccinated is the only responsible option that we currently have, for any of these current diseases.
KoolAidKid
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- Apr 29, 2002
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I honestly don't understand the furor over this. There are many vaccines required for attendance at a public school. What's one more?
1. What does the method of transmission have to do with it? Do you feel that it will encourage kids to have sex? Why post all that mumbo jumbo if you believe it is safe?
2. The government is not making you do it. They are making you do it or not do it knowing the advantages/risks. Trust me, your daughter will not be denied any education if you choose not to vaccinate her for HPV.
Face it, the far majority of the people who are against the vaccine are nut jobs who think that sex is dirty and that telling kids "abstinence only" is sufficient.
They don't prevent it from happening but you as well as everyone else here has seen 1st hand how a growing majority of parents are becoming a more hands off type of parent. They don't parent by teaching their children, they parent by buying their kids stuff so the kid doesn't bother the parent.
There are 2 points the the issue with this vaccine.
1. It's a monopoly. Only one company makes it and amazingly many states are pushing fairly hard to get it mandated. A vaccine for an STD, required for 6th graders. Why not make it manditory for all school children from Kindergarten up, plus all the teachers have to have it because they come into contact with the school kids, and Some teachers have sex with the school kids, and some school kids are sexually abused by their parents/ family members so they all need to get it and look only one company makes it and can charge whatever they want. How convenient. Merck makes out like a bandit and so do the scum bag politicians that got paid off to get this approved.
2. 30% of the test subjects had adverse reactions. 30% is not a good risk to take with your child.
Be careful, your opening paragraph makes you sound like an idiot. These aren't airplane tickets, they're vaccinations. This is a matter of public health. I suppose you also have a problem with the government requiring other vaccinations.
Edit: Ah, it appears this was a cut-paste, although you botched it up, so you still don't look smart
Edit: Ah, it appears this was a cut-paste, although you botched it up, so you still don't look smart
Where are you getting your stats from? And I am still waiting for the OP to list his source of this story.
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