HPV vaccine may not be as safe as reported

OutHouse

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Imagine your state legislature passing a law requiring everyone in your state
to purchase a ticket on United Airlines next year. Ridiculous! Right? What if
the legislature required state officials to promote a specific company - and
purchase its product. Or even used our tax dollars to create a database of every
man, woman and child in your state to track whether they had purchased a product
from a specific company? This would be outrageous! When government passes laws
requiring citizens to purchase specific products or services from specific
companies, that is corporatism. Incredibly, many state legislatures are currently
debating a series of bills that would require the promotion and purchase of a
product called Gardasil, patented by Merck.

Gardasil is a vaccine developed to prevent 4 types of the human papillomavirous
(HPV), which have been linked to cervical cancer, genital warts, and
precancerous / dysplastic lesions of the cervix, vagina, and vulva.

Surely Gardasil must have been proven safe and effective! Right? Wrong:
- In June 2006, the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) criticized the
FDA (See http://www.nvic.org/PressReleases/pr62706gardasil.htm) for "Fast
Tracking" the licensure of the Gardasil (Merck only studied Gardasil in fewer than
1200 girls under age 16 in pre-licensure trials).

- On February 21, 2007, the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) released
a new analysis of the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
reports of serious health problems following HPV vaccination (using Merck's
Gardasil) during the last six months of 2006
(<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.nvic.org/Diseases/HPV/pr022107HPV.htm)">[url]https://www.nvic.org/Diseases/HPV/pr022107HPV.htm)[/url]</a>. Out of the 385 individual
GARDASIL adverse event reports made to VAERS, two-thirds required additional
medical care and about one-third of all reports were for children 16-years-old and
under, with nearly 25 percent of those children having received simultaneously
one or more of the 18 vaccines that Merck did NOT study in combination with
Gardasil.

- On February 7, 2005 NVIC Health Policy Analyst Vicky Debold, RN, Ph.D. was
quoted (http://www.drugnewswire.com/12489/) stating: "The most frequent serious
health events after GARDASIL shots are neurological symptoms.These young girls
are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision, slurred
speech, fainting, involuntary contraction of limbs (seizures), muscle weakness,
tingling and numbness in the hands and feet and joint pain. Some of the girls
have lost consciousness during what appears to be seizures." Debold added "The
manufacturer product insert should include mention of syncopal episodes,
seizures and Guillain-Barre Syndrome so doctors and parents are aware these vaccine
adverse responses have been associated with the vaccine."

- Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have
been used in vaccines for decades, they have NEVER been tested for safety in
clinical trials. However, animal and human studies have shown that aluminum can
cause nerve cell death and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to
enter the brain

- According to the Gardasil package insert; "the duration of immunity is not
known" boosters may be needed. In other words, the long-term effectiveness of
Gardasil has NOT been proven (because the vaccine is so new).
- Although there are over 60 different strains of human papillomavirous (Imagine the Colorado legislature passing a law requiring everyone in Colorado
to purchase a ticket on United Airlines next year. Ridiculous! Right? What if
the legislature required state officials to promote a specific company - and
purchase its product. Or even used our tax dollars to create a database of every
man, woman and child in Colorado to track whether they had purchased a product
from a specific company? This would be outrageous! When government passes laws
requiring citizens to purchase specific products or services from specific
companies, that is corporatism. Incredibly, the Colorado legislature is currently
debating a series of bills that would require the promotion and purchase of a
product called Gardasil, patented by Merck.

Gardasil is a vaccine developed to prevent 4 types of the human papillomavirous
(HPV), which have been linked to cervical cancer, genital warts, and
precancerous / dysplastic lesions of the cervix, vagina, and vulva.

Surely Gardasil must have been proven safe and effective! Right? Wrong:
- In June 2006, the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) criticized the
FDA (See http://www.nvic.org/PressReleases/pr62706gardasil.htm) for "Fast
Tracking" the licensure of the Gardasil (Merck only studied Gardasil in fewer than
1200 girls under age 16 in pre-licensure trials).
- On February 21, 2007, the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) released
a new analysis of the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
reports of serious health problems following HPV vaccination (using Merck's
Gardasil) during the last six months of 2006
(<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.nvic.org/Diseases/HPV/pr022107HPV.htm)">[url]https://www.nvic.org/Diseases/HPV/pr022107HPV.htm)[/url]</a>. Out of the 385 individual
GARDASIL adverse event reports made to VAERS, two-thirds required additional
medical care and about one-third of all reports were for children 16-years-old and
under, with nearly 25 percent of those children having received simultaneously
one or more of the 18 vaccines that Merck did NOT study in combination with
Gardasil.
- On February 7, 2005 NVIC Health Policy Analyst Vicky Debold, RN, Ph.D. was
quoted (http://www.drugnewswire.com/12489/) stating: "The most frequent serious
health events after GARDASIL shots are neurological symptoms.These young girls
are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision, slurred
speech, fainting, involuntary contraction of limbs (seizures), muscle weakness,
tingling and numbness in the hands and feet and joint pain. Some of the girls
have lost consciousness during what appears to be seizures." Debold added "The
manufacturer product insert should include mention of syncopal episodes,
seizures and Guillain-Barre Syndrome so doctors and parents are aware these vaccine
adverse responses have been associated with the vaccine."
- Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have
been used in vaccines for decades, they have NEVER been tested for safety in
clinical trials. However, animal and human studies have shown that aluminum can
cause nerve cell death and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to
enter the brain
- According to the Gardasil package insert; "the duration of immunity is not
known" boosters may be needed. In other words, the long-term effectiveness of
Gardasil has NOT been proven (because the vaccine is so new).
- Although there are over 60 different strains of human papillomavirous (HPV),
Gardasil prevents infections from only four strains of HPV (HPV types 6, 11, 16
and 18 - which cause roughly 70 percent of all cervical cancers). Cancer
screenings will still be required because the vaccine does not cover all types of the
virus. Young girls may avoid getting a pap smear thinking the vaccine protects
them.
),
Gardasil prevents infections from only four strains of HPV (HPV types 6, 11, 16
and 18 - which cause roughly 70 percent of all cervical cancers). Cancer
screenings will still be required because the vaccine does not cover all types of the
virus. Young girls may avoid getting a pap smear thinking the vaccine protects
them.


Colorado House Bill example
Senate Bill SB-80 (amended) states: No female student shall be admitted to the
sixth grade in any school in Colorado unless she submits acceptable evidence to
the school that she has been vaccinated for Human Papillomavirus (HPV). The
bill also requires ALL female students between the ages of eleven and eighteen and
her parent or guardian to be given information about the availability of
Gardasil (i.e., marketing for Merck). IF after receiving the marketing material
regarding Gardasil, the student's parent or guardian may elect for the student not
to receive the vaccine. Fortunately, SB 80 is currently stalled in the Senate
Appropriations committee.


 

sao123

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Originally posted by: Citrix


Imagine your state legislature passing a law requiring everyone in your state
to purchase a ticket on United Airlines next year. Ridiculous! Right? What if
the legislature required state officials to promote a specific company - and
purchase its product. Or even used our tax dollars to create a database of every
man, woman and child in your state to track whether they had purchased a product
from a specific company? This would be outrageous! When government passes laws
requiring citizens to purchase specific products or services from specific
companies, that is corporatism. Incredibly, many state legislatures are currently
debating a series of bills that would require the promotion and purchase of a
product called Gardasil, patented by Merck.

Gardasil is a vaccine developed to prevent 4 types of the human papillomavirous
(HPV), which have been linked to cervical cancer, genital warts, and
precancerous / dysplastic lesions of the cervix, vagina, and vulva.

Surely Gardasil must have been proven safe and effective! Right? Wrong:
- In June 2006, the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) criticized the
FDA (See http://www.nvic.org/PressReleases/pr62706gardasil.htm) for "Fast
Tracking" the licensure of the Gardasil (Merck only studied Gardasil in fewer than
1200 girls under age 16 in pre-licensure trials).

- On February 21, 2007, the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) released
a new analysis of the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
reports of serious health problems following HPV vaccination (using Merck's
Gardasil) during the last six months of 2006
(<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.nvic.org/Diseases/HPV/pr022107HPV.htm)"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.nvic.org/Diseases/HPV/pr022107HPV.htm)">[url]https://www.nvic.org/Diseases/HPV/pr022107HPV.htm)[/url]</a></a>. Out of the 385 individual
GARDASIL adverse event reports made to VAERS, two-thirds required additional
medical care and about one-third of all reports were for children 16-years-old and
under, with nearly 25 percent of those children having received simultaneously
one or more of the 18 vaccines that Merck did NOT study in combination with
Gardasil.

- On February 7, 2005 NVIC Health Policy Analyst Vicky Debold, RN, Ph.D. was
quoted (http://www.drugnewswire.com/12489/) stating: "The most frequent serious
health events after GARDASIL shots are neurological symptoms.These young girls
are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision, slurred
speech, fainting, involuntary contraction of limbs (seizures), muscle weakness,
tingling and numbness in the hands and feet and joint pain. Some of the girls
have lost consciousness during what appears to be seizures." Debold added "The
manufacturer product insert should include mention of syncopal episodes,
seizures and Guillain-Barre Syndrome so doctors and parents are aware these vaccine
adverse responses have been associated with the vaccine."

- Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have
been used in vaccines for decades, they have NEVER been tested for safety in
clinical trials. However, animal and human studies have shown that aluminum can
cause nerve cell death and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to
enter the brain

- According to the Gardasil package insert; "the duration of immunity is not
known" boosters may be needed. In other words, the long-term effectiveness of
Gardasil has NOT been proven (because the vaccine is so new).
- Although there are over 60 different strains of human papillomavirous (Imagine the Colorado legislature passing a law requiring everyone in Colorado
to purchase a ticket on United Airlines next year. Ridiculous! Right? What if
the legislature required state officials to promote a specific company - and
purchase its product. Or even used our tax dollars to create a database of every
man, woman and child in Colorado to track whether they had purchased a product
from a specific company? This would be outrageous! When government passes laws
requiring citizens to purchase specific products or services from specific
companies, that is corporatism. Incredibly, the Colorado legislature is currently
debating a series of bills that would require the promotion and purchase of a
product called Gardasil, patented by Merck.

Gardasil is a vaccine developed to prevent 4 types of the human papillomavirous
(HPV), which have been linked to cervical cancer, genital warts, and
precancerous / dysplastic lesions of the cervix, vagina, and vulva.

Surely Gardasil must have been proven safe and effective! Right? Wrong:
- In June 2006, the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) criticized the
FDA (See http://www.nvic.org/PressReleases/pr62706gardasil.htm) for "Fast
Tracking" the licensure of the Gardasil (Merck only studied Gardasil in fewer than
1200 girls under age 16 in pre-licensure trials).
- On February 21, 2007, the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) released
a new analysis of the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
reports of serious health problems following HPV vaccination (using Merck's
Gardasil) during the last six months of 2006
(<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.nvic.org/Diseases/HPV/pr022107HPV.htm)"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.nvic.org/Diseases/HPV/pr022107HPV.htm)">[url]https://www.nvic.org/Diseases/HPV/pr022107HPV.htm)[/url]</a></a>. Out of the 385 individual
GARDASIL adverse event reports made to VAERS, two-thirds required additional
medical care and about one-third of all reports were for children 16-years-old and
under, with nearly 25 percent of those children having received simultaneously
one or more of the 18 vaccines that Merck did NOT study in combination with
Gardasil.
- On February 7, 2005 NVIC Health Policy Analyst Vicky Debold, RN, Ph.D. was
quoted (http://www.drugnewswire.com/12489/) stating: "The most frequent serious
health events after GARDASIL shots are neurological symptoms.These young girls
are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision, slurred
speech, fainting, involuntary contraction of limbs (seizures), muscle weakness,
tingling and numbness in the hands and feet and joint pain. Some of the girls
have lost consciousness during what appears to be seizures." Debold added "The
manufacturer product insert should include mention of syncopal episodes,
seizures and Guillain-Barre Syndrome so doctors and parents are aware these vaccine
adverse responses have been associated with the vaccine."
- Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have
been used in vaccines for decades, they have NEVER been tested for safety in
clinical trials. However, animal and human studies have shown that aluminum can
cause nerve cell death and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to
enter the brain
- According to the Gardasil package insert; "the duration of immunity is not
known" boosters may be needed. In other words, the long-term effectiveness of
Gardasil has NOT been proven (because the vaccine is so new).
- Although there are over 60 different strains of human papillomavirous (HPV),
Gardasil prevents infections from only four strains of HPV (HPV types 6, 11, 16
and 18 - which cause roughly 70 percent of all cervical cancers). Cancer
screenings will still be required because the vaccine does not cover all types of the
virus. Young girls may avoid getting a pap smear thinking the vaccine protects
them.
),
Gardasil prevents infections from only four strains of HPV (HPV types 6, 11, 16
and 18 - which cause roughly 70 percent of all cervical cancers). Cancer
screenings will still be required because the vaccine does not cover all types of the
virus. Young girls may avoid getting a pap smear thinking the vaccine protects
them.


Colorado House Bill example
Senate Bill SB-80 (amended) states: No female student shall be admitted to the
sixth grade in any school in Colorado unless she submits acceptable evidence to
the school that she has been vaccinated for Human Papillomavirus (HPV). The
bill also requires ALL female students between the ages of eleven and eighteen and
her parent or guardian to be given information about the availability of
Gardasil (i.e., marketing for Merck). IF after receiving the marketing material
regarding Gardasil, the student's parent or guardian may elect for the student not
to receive the vaccine. Fortunately, SB 80 is currently stalled in the Senate
Appropriations committee.


did you double post the article?
 

Linflas

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It's amazing what can happen when the "nannies that know what is best for you so they will force you to do things for your own good" crowd join forces with corporate lobbying groups.
 
L

Lola

It is a scary thing this vaccine... I was talking to a good client last night about it (she was a pharmacy tech) and she said she would never get her daughter vacinated because this vaccine only covers 4 out of the many strands of HPV and also, there is no future testing that they know of, so who knows if after 10 years a womans unterus will fall out because of effects from this drug.
 

Linflas

Lifer
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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Your schools don't require a whole host of shots before a child can attend? :confused:

Those shots generally address diseases that can be spread rapidly through populations by touching objects or breathing air in close quarters.
 

waggy

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I wouldnt do it.

the proof is sketchy at best. just another case of a corp makeing law.
 

dainthomas

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Originally posted by: LolaWiz
It is a scary thing this vaccine... I was talking to a good client last night about it (she was a pharmacy tech) and she said she would never get her daughter vacinated because this vaccine only covers 4 out of the many strands of HPV and also, there is no future testing that they know of, so who knows if after 10 years a womans unterus will fall out because of effects from this drug.

4>0. Isn't preventing disease a good thing?

The only reason this is a controversy is the fundamentalists who believe slutty girls who have unprotected sex deserve to get cancer and die. It's what Jesus would want. :roll:
 

Amused

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Just a heads up, but the National Vaccine Information Center is a group who opposes all vaccines and supports just about every conspiracy theory out there regarding them.

They are nutballs.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Your schools don't require a whole host of shots before a child can attend? :confused:

MMR, Polio, smallpox vaccines are necessary and i have no problem with them.
 

interchange

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Originally posted by: Citrix
the student's parent or guardian may elect for the student not
to receive the vaccine.

/thread

Are you against vaccination in general for all diseases? Are you also against all prescription drugs?

FYI I volunteer for a pediatrician who specializes in wholistic treatment for children with autism. One of the major players in this picture is heavy metal toxicity which is linked to vaccination. That doctor still supports vaccination, albeit at a different schedule. People with normal immune systems and normal detoxification pathways have nothing to fear from vaccination. Bottom line: there are risks associated with anything your body comes in contact with. Nothing is truly "safe", but this is pretty close.
 

OutHouse

Lifer
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Originally posted by: interchange
Originally posted by: Citrix
the student's parent or guardian may elect for the student not
to receive the vaccine.

/thread

Are you against vaccination in general for all diseases? Are you also against all prescription drugs?

FYI I volunteer for a pediatrician who specializes in wholistic treatment for children with autism. One of the major players in this picture is heavy metal toxicity which is linked to vaccination. That doctor still supports vaccination, albeit at a different schedule. People with normal immune systems and normal detoxification pathways have nothing to fear from vaccination. Bottom line: there are risks associated with anything your body comes in contact with. Nothing is truly "safe", but this is pretty close.

read my post above yours to answer your question.

 

Gibsons

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Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
It is a scary thing this vaccine... I was talking to a good client last night about it (she was a pharmacy tech) and she said she would never get her daughter vacinated because this vaccine only covers 4 out of the many strands of HPV and also, there is no future testing that they know of, so who knows if after 10 years a womans unterus will fall out because of effects from this drug.

4>0. Isn't preventing disease a good thing?

The only reason this is a controversy is the fundamentalists who believe slutty girls who have unprotected sex deserve to get cancer and die. It's what Jesus would want. :roll:
Two of the strains covered by the vaccination (type 16 and 18) cause about 70% of cervical carcinomas.

Wouldn't it be ridiculous to attempt to vaccinate against about 60 different strains, most of which are only very rarely associated with cancer or rarely even found? You'd probably be looking at dozens of shots rather than three.


 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
It is a scary thing this vaccine... I was talking to a good client last night about it (she was a pharmacy tech) and she said she would never get her daughter vacinated because this vaccine only covers 4 out of the many strands of HPV and also, there is no future testing that they know of, so who knows if after 10 years a womans unterus will fall out because of effects from this drug.

4>0. Isn't preventing disease a good thing?

The only reason this is a controversy is the fundamentalists who believe slutty girls who have unprotected sex deserve to get cancer and die. It's what Jesus would want. :roll:

People that want to shut down debate on this try to deflect the issue by saying it is only fundamentalists that are against it. The reality is that many people that have no problem with the vaccine at all have an issue with requiring it to access public education and taking the decision out of the parents hands unless they are willing to jump through a bunch of hoops to opt out.
 

interchange

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Originally posted by: Citrix
read my post above yours to answer your question.

OK. Then what, in particular (your own words) turns you away from this vaccine? Or are simply relaying some information?
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
It is a scary thing this vaccine... I was talking to a good client last night about it (she was a pharmacy tech) and she said she would never get her daughter vacinated because this vaccine only covers 4 out of the many strands of HPV and also, there is no future testing that they know of, so who knows if after 10 years a womans unterus will fall out because of effects from this drug.

4>0. Isn't preventing disease a good thing?

The only reason this is a controversy is the fundamentalists who believe slutty girls who have unprotected sex deserve to get cancer and die. It's what Jesus would want. :roll:

People that want to shut down debate on this try to deflect the issue by saying it is only fundamentalists that are against it. The reality is that many people that have no problem with the vaccine at all have an issue with requiring it to access public education and taking the decision out of the parents hands unless they are willing to jump through a bunch of hoops to opt out.

FTW, I am excited about the vaccine and if I have a daughter then at this point I would give it to her. However, a government mandate for a virus that is spread through sexual contact is retarded.

BTW, I am an atheist so it has nothing to do with religious views.

 

Zenmervolt

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There's only one part of the issue that you need to know:

"after receiving the marketing material regarding Gardasil, the student's parent or guardian may elect for the student not to receive the vaccine."

The bill (which was not passed, so it never became law) provided an opt-out option.

ZV
 
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http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/stateg...tories/MYSA031507.09A.HPV.35bd205.html
We're going through this is Texas, except here, it was the Governor who up and decided our children should get this, The Attorney General of Texas flat out said Gov. Perry over stepped his bounds and the House is passing legislation to stop it.I know who I won't be voting for Gov next time.

a 6th grader shouldn't be given a shot to keep them from getting something that is sexually transmitted. They should be getting taught that if they are going to have sex they need to use protection.

But for those of you that think kids getting this vaccine is good, you obviously don't have children. Children need to learn to be safe, not given something so they can't say screw the consiquences.
 

Gibsons

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/stateg...tories/MYSA031507.09A.HPV.35bd205.html
We're going through this is Texas, except here, it was the Governor who up and decided our children should get this, The Attorney General of Texas flat out said Gov. Perry over stepped his bounds and the House is passing legislation to stop it.I know who I won't be voting for Gov next time.

Most people didn't vote for him last time either. :(

But he's got great hair! ;)
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
It is a scary thing this vaccine... I was talking to a good client last night about it (she was a pharmacy tech) and she said she would never get her daughter vacinated because this vaccine only covers 4 out of the many strands of HPV and also, there is no future testing that they know of, so who knows if after 10 years a womans unterus will fall out because of effects from this drug.

4>0. Isn't preventing disease a good thing?

The only reason this is a controversy is the fundamentalists who believe slutty girls who have unprotected sex deserve to get cancer and die. It's what Jesus would want. :roll:

People that want to shut down debate on this try to deflect the issue by saying it is only fundamentalists that are against it. The reality is that many people that have no problem with the vaccine at all have an issue with requiring it to access public education and taking the decision out of the parents hands unless they are willing to jump through a bunch of hoops to opt out.

FTW, I am excited about the vaccine and if I have a daughter then at this point I would give it to her. However, a government mandate for a virus that is spread through sexual contact is retarded.

BTW, I am an atheist so it has nothing to do with religious views.

I disagree. The more diseases we can eradicate, the better, and the only way to get the entire population free from a given disease is to mandate the use of a vaccine like this. You can say that the only people at risk are the ones who opt out, but the bottom line is that you and I, as citizens, will carry the burden of the cancer that might hit the people that do opt out, either through taxes to support Medicare or higher medical insurance premiums.

That said, the vaccines should be thoroughly tested and accepted as (relatively) safe before such a mandate is handed out. Most vaccines have a level of risk involved, and the most widely used have very low risk levels compared to their benefits. The vaccine for HPV should have a similarly low risk before being mandated, in my opinion.