Howard Dean Portrays Rush Limbaugh as Cokehead?

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Riprorin
No ideas on social security, no ideas on the war on terror, no ideas on the war in Iraq, no ideas on North Korea, etc.

The obstructionist party has been reduced to immature falicious personal attacks.

Keep up the good work Democratic party. You're just insuring that your power will continue to dwindle.

Link

Having NO ideas is better than having BAD ideas ... at least in my book. Not in yours, apparently.

I disagree on the following grounds: A person whose ideas you think are BAD at least has the courage and intellectual fortitude to THINK to some extent. Perhaps he doesn't think enough, perhaps he never learned to reason well (which is pretty likely given the state of our educational system in the US).

Meanwhile a person with NO ideas hasn't bothered to muster the motivation to even *start* his brain.

Bad ideas may equal a good person with a bad approach, but no ideas definitely equals a lazy, non-intellectual buffoon.

Jason

Right you are, however the net effect is far worse with the person with BAD ideas than the status quo would be from the person with NO ideas. You'd have to agree with me there.

Besides, the Democrats actually DO have ideas, however the talking point morons who will remain nameless can't be bothered to even find out what they are. Who's intellectually lazy now?

Well for one, the Democrats are intellectually lazy. I have yet to hear a SINGLE Democrat propose any sort of DETAILED option to counter Republican "plans" (which themselves are vague and unclear) for revising Socialist Security, immigration reform or any other important issue. John Kerry was an EXCELLENT example of a Democrat who said NOTHING meaningful, and who, like Bush, waged a campaign of negative rhetoric and accusations without bothering to reference reality, discuss any positive actions or do *anything* specific.

Democrats and Republicans are UNITED in their refusal to say anything specific, hold any principled line or even CONSIDER the welfare of the American People before their primary goals: The attainment of power.

Right now the R's are doing better at keeping themselves in power. Eventually it will be the D's, and then the R's again, and then the D's. Regardless of which of these majority parties get themselves into temporary power, the American Citizen is the LAST consideration and the LOWEST priority.

Jason

This is one thing we mostly agree on, however I don't think the Dem leadership is so much lazy (though they are in part) as fearful. The Reps have done a good job stigmatizing them, and it sticks no matter how valid or ridiculous the claim. IMO the main reason for that is Iraq. They were suckered into the WMD hoax and therefore cannot use that as a weapon. They tarred and feathered themselves.

Their best hope is to admit they were suckered, let the Reps bitch and push HARD. Identify the obvious Republican weaknesses and hammer them home. That though is the lazy business. They have opportunities but no voice, and seemingly no will to find one.

True, they do seem pretty spineless at this point. Of course, in many areas it strikes me that the R's are spineless as well. They can't be completely *ignorant* to the danger of illegal immigration, both from a social and economic standpoint and from the potential for allowing Terrorists, possibly with weapons, in to the country. It's obvious to even the most lay of laymen that we've got some serious danger zones at our borders and the Republicans don't have the balls to do a damn thing about it. Hell, we've got Republicans coming from every angle to push for AMNESTY for these goddamn illegals. Just the other day a bill was defeated that would have legalized not just half a million illegal farm workers, but their FAMILIES who are still outside the country! INSANITY!


Jason

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: glenn1
Cokehead? No. Limbaugh is no more a cokehead because of being hooked on oxycotin than is Clinton one because he once smoked a joint but didn't inhale. If anything I think that Mr. Primal Scream himself can use a little something to help him mellow out a bit, he seems a bit high strung

Now if Dean had called Rush and his radio show "boring as hell" then I would be in complete agreement.

Interesting.. you are usually pretty level headed... I do not understand why/how you could defend Limbaugh... He is a Criminal .. a Drug Addict... and if sentenced under HIS OWN IDEAS then he would be in prison for life...


How do so many Republicans look past his wrongs and his hypocrisy with such ease?

His crime was FAR FAR worse than that of Martha Stewart... but look at what happened to her?

BTW, where is Ken Lay?

Sorry, I must disagree. Rush'e use of illegal drugs only hurt him, not others. Whereas Martha's crime hurt other people. The stock Market is a zero-sum game.

 

[judasmachine]

Rush may not be a cokehead or really a junkie of any sort, despite his recent problems. However, he is a big fat pompous windbag.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Riprorin
No ideas on social security, no ideas on the war on terror, no ideas on the war in Iraq, no ideas on North Korea, etc.

The obstructionist party has been reduced to immature falicious personal attacks.

Keep up the good work Democratic party. You're just insuring that your power will continue to dwindle.

Link

No "ideas" on Social Security. Well, majority of Americans agree with the Democrats on that, and reject Republican "ideas."
Democrats do have ideas on the war on terror. Um.. How about going after the actual terrorists who struck us on 9/11. There is an idea.
No ideas on the war on iraq? How about bringing in more allies, instead of alienating them and nominating some pighead to head diplomacy at the UN. There is an idea.
What are Bush's "ideas" on North Korea? Let the Chinese and Europeans take care of it?

Actually, you're making assertions without any great basis in fact. From what I've seen, polls seem to show majority's in SUPPORT of revising Socialist Security at times, AGAINST it at other times. Since neither Republicans or Democrats have bothered to discuss the issue HONESTLY, it's no wonder people (who are idiots in general) are confused.

Jason

The only assertion without any basis in facts is that "democrats have no ideas."
The difference is that Americans want Democrat ideas like Social Security, which is why the more Bush goes around bashing it, the more people turn against his plan.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Rush may not be a cokehead or really a junkie of any sort, despite his recent problems. However, he is a big fat pompous douchebag.

FIXED! :thumbsup:

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: glenn1
Cokehead? No. Limbaugh is no more a cokehead because of being hooked on oxycotin than is Clinton one because he once smoked a joint but didn't inhale. If anything I think that Mr. Primal Scream himself can use a little something to help him mellow out a bit, he seems a bit high strung

Now if Dean had called Rush and his radio show "boring as hell" then I would be in complete agreement.

Interesting.. you are usually pretty level headed... I do not understand why/how you could defend Limbaugh... He is a Criminal .. a Drug Addict... and if sentenced under HIS OWN IDEAS then he would be in prison for life...


How do so many Republicans look past his wrongs and his hypocrisy with such ease?

His crime was FAR FAR worse than that of Martha Stewart... but look at what happened to her?

BTW, where is Ken Lay?

Sorry, I must disagree. Rush'e use of illegal drugs only hurt him, not others. Whereas Martha's crime hurt other people. The stock Market is a zero-sum game.

You do know that people who bought the stock from her made money if they held on to it till now.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Rush may not be a cokehead or really a junkie of any sort, despite his recent problems. However, he is a big fat pompous windbag.

Well, and that's fine, at least there is a case to be made for that accusation Except the fat part, I think. Last time I saw him on the news, if I recall, he was pretty thin.

Jason

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Did you learn that Bush is Hitler from Moveon or did you think that up all by yourself?

Hey, you said it

I think the point was that just having ideas isn't always a good thing. Taking some time and thinking up good ideas is preferable to going forward with the first dumbass idea that comes into your head. Or maybe the Republicans have it right..."A crummy plan now is better than a good plan later!"

It's not just the Republicans who have that mentality, though. Observe Clinton's "plan" for dealing with the numerous terrorist attacks on Americans while he was in office: Ignore them, hope they go away.

And clearly enough, that lead straight to 9/11. Now Bush is sitting here with his thumb in the middle eastern pies (which is not unjust or wrong) but completely REFUSING to protect our borders while MILLIONS of illegal aliens pour in from Mexico year in and year out.

The next terrorist attack WILL be Bush's fault for spending too much time and money overseas while spending too LITTLE effort, time, money and energy HERE. Perhaps if he's stop sucking Vicente Fox's dick we could get some damn border security!

Jason

Except Clinton didn't ignore the Terrorists, he went after them. It was republicans who accused him of going after the terrorists to distract from their obsession with his unit. When he tried to kill OBL, they mocked him for it. How they live with themselves after that, I don't know, but being hypocrites prolly helps.

 

[MCWAR]

Maybe if Rush would have said "I did not swallow the pills, I only tasted them" the leftist would have given him a pass.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Rush may not be a cokehead or really a junkie of any sort, despite his recent problems. However, he is a big fat pompous windbag.

Well, and that's fine, at least there is a case to be made for that accusation Except the fat part, I think. Last time I saw him on the news, if I recall, he was pretty thin.

Jason

Yeah drugs will help you lose wieght. Well except pot which makes you eat too much. I am also sure he's been facing his mortality lately and obeying his Dr.'s orders to start taking better care of himself. However, his rhetoric has pretty much stayed the same.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Riprorin
No ideas on social security, no ideas on the war on terror, no ideas on the war in Iraq, no ideas on North Korea, etc.

The obstructionist party has been reduced to immature falicious personal attacks.

Keep up the good work Democratic party. You're just insuring that your power will continue to dwindle.

Link

No "ideas" on Social Security. Well, majority of Americans agree with the Democrats on that, and reject Republican "ideas."
Democrats do have ideas on the war on terror. Um.. How about going after the actual terrorists who struck us on 9/11. There is an idea.
No ideas on the war on iraq? How about bringing in more allies, instead of alienating them and nominating some pighead to head diplomacy at the UN. There is an idea.
What are Bush's "ideas" on North Korea? Let the Chinese and Europeans take care of it?

Actually, you're making assertions without any great basis in fact. From what I've seen, polls seem to show majority's in SUPPORT of revising Socialist Security at times, AGAINST it at other times. Since neither Republicans or Democrats have bothered to discuss the issue HONESTLY, it's no wonder people (who are idiots in general) are confused.

Jason

The only assertion without any basis in facts is that "democrats have no ideas."
The difference is that Americans want Democrat ideas like Social Security, which is why the more Bush goes around bashing it, the more people turn against his plan.

You're doing it again, making assertions and broad assumptions about what "Americans want". Do we ALL want Socialist Security to continue as it has? NO! Only stupid people want it to continue as it has. The rest of us are honest enough to admit that it's a failure of a program, that it guarantees poverty for those who rely solely on it and that it costs an enormous fortune to maintain. If Americans wanted "Democrat ideas" why did they not elect a Democrat to the white house? Why did they not elect Democrats to the House and the Senate? Not to say that they necessarily want REPUBLICANS either, but the last couple of elections really have been a "lesser of two Weevils" scenario, where it's been clear enough that we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

What America NEEDS (whether it wants it or not is another question entirely) is to pull itself together, stop overspending so much, stop trying to cover for every deficiency of every person, plant and insect that crawls the earth, prioritize expenditures and get its budget under control. We also need to get our BORDERS under control and STOP the illegal entry of MILLIONS of Mexican and South American peoples into our states/cities and make CERTAIN that everyone who comes in does so LEGALLY and that we KNOW who they are and what they are bringing with them. We risk FAR too many lives with our OPEN BORDERS policies.

Maybe after we've ELIMINATED the national DEBT and saved a nice chunk of change we can talk about spending for extra programs. but right now what we NEED is to get our financial house in order and our Domestic Policy straight so we don't get attacked again.

Jason

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: MCWAR
Maybe if Rush would have said "I did not swallow the pills, I only tasted them" the leftist would have given him a pass.

Like the righties gave Clinton a pass?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Did you learn that Bush is Hitler from Moveon or did you think that up all by yourself?

Hey, you said it

I think the point was that just having ideas isn't always a good thing. Taking some time and thinking up good ideas is preferable to going forward with the first dumbass idea that comes into your head. Or maybe the Republicans have it right..."A crummy plan now is better than a good plan later!"

It's not just the Republicans who have that mentality, though. Observe Clinton's "plan" for dealing with the numerous terrorist attacks on Americans while he was in office: Ignore them, hope they go away.

And clearly enough, that lead straight to 9/11. Now Bush is sitting here with his thumb in the middle eastern pies (which is not unjust or wrong) but completely REFUSING to protect our borders while MILLIONS of illegal aliens pour in from Mexico year in and year out.

The next terrorist attack WILL be Bush's fault for spending too much time and money overseas while spending too LITTLE effort, time, money and energy HERE. Perhaps if he's stop sucking Vicente Fox's dick we could get some damn border security!

Jason

Except Clinton didn't ignore the Terrorists, he went after them. It was republicans who accused him of going after the terrorists to distract from their obsession with his unit. When he tried to kill OBL, they mocked him for it. How they live with themselves after that, I don't know, but being hypocrites prolly helps.

Ah, Clinton made NO concerted effort to go after the terrorists in any way, shape or form. If he HAD, we would not have experienced 9/11 as we did, and we'd have had a bit more respect from the middle eastern population. As it was, Clinton sat on his ass squirting Monica's wardrobe while US embassy's were bombed, the WTC was bombed, the USS Cole was bombed, etc. Don't try to pretend he was some great "go after the terrorists" tough guy, because he WASN'T.

Yes, the R's jerked him around a lot, as do the D's jerk around the R's on a regular basis. They were massively out of line going after him for porking every chick under the sun (his WIFE should have been the one kicking his ass, not the Republicans) but by the same token the Democrats were DEAD WRONG to let him go scott-free after he LIED on the stand.

It's not that hard to figure out that Democrats and Republicans alike are a SHAM. Both are unprincipled, both are concerned PRIMARILY with getting their hands on POWER.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Rush may not be a cokehead or really a junkie of any sort, despite his recent problems. However, he is a big fat pompous windbag.

Well, and that's fine, at least there is a case to be made for that accusation Except the fat part, I think. Last time I saw him on the news, if I recall, he was pretty thin.

Jason

Yeah drugs will help you lose wieght. Well except pot which makes you eat too much. I am also sure he's been facing his mortality lately and obeying his Dr.'s orders to start taking better care of himself. However, his rhetoric has pretty much stayed the same.

You know, before just recently during the Schiavo case, the last time I had heard him was probably 2 years ago. At that time he was actually really good, ripping Bush and the Republican congress a new one day in and day out (I was able to listen for about a week) over their failures to get homeland security straight, over the Patriot act and many other legitimate issues. I'm told that sometime leading up to the election he did a sudden about-face and starting kissing the hairy monkey ass of Bush and hasn't stopped since (maybe he made a deal: don't bash Bush anymore and we won't send you to jail, which would seem like a bargain to me . When I heard him one day during the Schiavo thing he came across like a raving, Christian lunatic and I had to shut him off.

It's kind of sad, because way back he USED to really have some integrity I thought, even when I disagreed with him (which was pretty often, what with him being a Christian and me an Atheist, LOL). Pretty sad.

Jason

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: glenn1
Cokehead? No. Limbaugh is no more a cokehead because of being hooked on oxycotin than is Clinton one because he once smoked a joint but didn't inhale. If anything I think that Mr. Primal Scream himself can use a little something to help him mellow out a bit, he seems a bit high strung

Now if Dean had called Rush and his radio show "boring as hell" then I would be in complete agreement.

Interesting.. you are usually pretty level headed... I do not understand why/how you could defend Limbaugh... He is a Criminal .. a Drug Addict... and if sentenced under HIS OWN IDEAS then he would be in prison for life...


How do so many Republicans look past his wrongs and his hypocrisy with such ease?

His crime was FAR FAR worse than that of Martha Stewart... but look at what happened to her?

BTW, where is Ken Lay?

Sorry, I must disagree. Rush'e use of illegal drugs only hurt him, not others. Whereas Martha's crime hurt other people. The stock Market is a zero-sum game.

You do know that people who bought the stock from her made money if they held on to it till now.

1. That's an "IF"

2. If they hadn't bought her "overpriced", they would've made even more money. Bottom line, the "illegal" profit she made came out of somebodies pocket.

BTW: Why is everybody assuming he was refering to coke? There's a lot of other stuff one can snort for a buzz.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: glenn1
Cokehead? No. Limbaugh is no more a cokehead because of being hooked on oxycotin than is Clinton one because he once smoked a joint but didn't inhale. If anything I think that Mr. Primal Scream himself can use a little something to help him mellow out a bit, he seems a bit high strung

Now if Dean had called Rush and his radio show "boring as hell" then I would be in complete agreement.

Interesting.. you are usually pretty level headed... I do not understand why/how you could defend Limbaugh... He is a Criminal .. a Drug Addict... and if sentenced under HIS OWN IDEAS then he would be in prison for life...


How do so many Republicans look past his wrongs and his hypocrisy with such ease?

His crime was FAR FAR worse than that of Martha Stewart... but look at what happened to her?

BTW, where is Ken Lay?

Sorry, I must disagree. Rush'e use of illegal drugs only hurt him, not others. Whereas Martha's crime hurt other people. The stock Market is a zero-sum game.

You do know that people who bought the stock from her made money if they held on to it till now.

1. That's an "IF"

2. If they hadn't bought her "overpriced", they would've made even more money. Bottom line, the "illegal" profit she made came out of somebodies pocket.

BTW: Why is everybody assuming he was refering to coke? There's a lot of other stuff one can snort for a buzz.

It wasn't overpriced. It was market priced. And she wasn't convicted of insider trading, in case you haven't noticed.