How would you end stop and frisk policing?

[fskimospy]

LOL, I guess I am insane...

Well ask yourself - if someone told you they would never change their mind no matter what evidence what would you think?

 

[pcgeek11]

Well ask yourself - if someone told you they would never change their mind no matter what evidence what would you think?

As I said (which you have ignored in post # 67) .

"Nothing that I know of would make me change my mind."

 

[fskimospy]

Nothing.

You know we can read your posts, right?

 

[HomerJS]

I haven't admitted anything of the sort. Stop and frisk worked before and it can work again.

And Trump had the 2020 election stolen, right?

Did you ever find Obamas Kenyan birth certificate?

What about Dems grooming kids at the gay pizza shop?

Those classified docs at Trumps house were planted, right?

But you believe in reality right? Wrong. You believe in the big lie because in your brain the bigger the lie the more it must be true

Does Stop-And-Frisk Reduce Crime? | Department of Criminology

crim.sas.upenn.edu

Stop and frisk in NYC a decade after historic court ruling

What’s changed since a federal judge ruled the NYPD practice unconstitutional?

gothamist.com

 

[uallas5]

Simple.

Since statistically the majority of weapons were found from the minority of searches done, i.e. those done on white people, enforce a policy that the targets of the searches have to be chosen in a way to guarantee the most illegal weapons found. When white people become the target of the majority of stop and frisks, it'll end pretty quick.

 

[Vic]

I support "Stop and frisk" laws.

I support the 4th amendment.

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

 

[Vic]

What’s funny is crime in NYC is lower now than it was in most of the stop and frisk era.

Does that make you reconsider?

What would really make PC (and all of the supporters of stop and frisk) reconsider would be if they were the ones being stopped and frisked.
They only support these unconstitutional laws because it's not their rights being violated.

 

[Vic]

No it doesn't. It may be lower, but is still too high everywhere. Not just in NYC. (San Francisco, LA, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, Miami ...)

And right here is proof of what I posted above. PC wants police to violate citizens' rights in cities he doesn't live in.
Like almost all conservatives, as long as it doesn't affect him, he's more than happy to see the Constitution get trampled on.

 

[Pohemi]

What would really make PC (and all of the supporters of stop and frisk) reconsider would be if they were the ones being stopped and frisked.
They only support these unconstitutional laws because it's not their rights being violated.

'I wOuLdN't CaRe sInCe I hAvE n0tHiNg t0 HiDe! ThEy ShOuLdN't EiThEr!' - nonsense incoming? lol

 

[Vic]

You did. You said nothing would change your mind - that’s irrational.

No one is manipulating you, you’re just saying insane things.

His position isn't so much irrational as he doesn't want to say the quiet part out loud.
But when you take into account that he wants these constitutional violations to occur only in big cities in blue states, where he doesn't reside, his position becomes completely rational from the "laws for thee but not for me" perspective.

 

[Vic]

'I wOuLdN't CaRe sInCe I hAvE n0tHiNg t0 HiDe! ThEy ShOuLdN't EiThEr!' - nonsense incoming? lol

pfft... if PC's local police started applying the stop and frisk equivalent of pulling him over and searching him and his vehicle whenever they felt like it, he'd have an f'ing aneurysm.

 

[woolfe9998]

Nope, the idea that crime is only lower because it goes unreported is a common lie in right wing media to (bafflingly) avoid admitting crime rates are better.

Even if you thought that is true though crime is also down in areas that aren’t subject to non-reporting like murder.

Great news, right?

Violent crime and property crime went down by similar amounts from 1990-2020. The most logical inference from the fact that both declined a similar amount over the same timeframe is that the reasons for each are similar. He's not saying that people are suddenly underreporting violent crimes, so I guess he's saying that one is an actual decline in crime while the other is a trend toward underreporting, and both coincidentally achieved similar results. His argument makes no sense.

 

[pcgeek11]

And right here is proof of what I posted above. PC wants police to violate citizens' rights in cities he doesn't live in.
Like almost all conservatives, as long as it doesn't affect him, he's more than happy to see the Constitution get trampled on.

No, I'm sick of watching all the crime on the news everyday with these worthless government officials allowing them to get by with no punishment.

 

[pcgeek11]

His position isn't so much irrational as he doesn't want to say the quiet part out loud.
But when you take into account that he wants these constitutional violations to occur only in big cities in blue states, where he doesn't reside, his position becomes completely rational from the "laws for thee but not for me" perspective.

Please quote where I said that "only in big cities in blue states". I gave a few examples in my post that came to mind. I guess I should have said Nation Wide so you couldn't twist the meaning of my post as you so often do.

 

[pcgeek11]

pfft... if PC's local police started applying the stop and frisk equivalent of pulling him over and searching him and his vehicle whenever they felt like it, he'd have an f'ing aneurysm.

No I wouldn't.

 

[Vic]

No, I'm sick of watching all the crime on the news everyday with these worthless government officials allowing them to get by with no punishment.

Or maybe you should stop watching lying media propaganda if it compels you to want people's constitutional rights taken away.

 

[Vic]

No I wouldn't.

As long as you're consistent in hating even your own 4a rights then.

 

[pcgeek11]

And Trump had the 2020 election stolen, right?

Did you ever find Obamas Kenyan birth certificate?

What about Dems grooming kids at the gay pizza shop?

Those classified docs at Trumps house were planted, right?

But you believe in reality right? Wrong. You believe in the big lie because in your brain the bigger the lie the more it must be true

Does Stop-And-Frisk Reduce Crime? | Department of Criminology

crim.sas.upenn.edu

Stop and frisk in NYC a decade after historic court ruling

What’s changed since a federal judge ruled the NYPD practice unconstitutional?

gothamist.com

I was never a proponent in any of those things you cited:

And Trump had the 2020 election stolen, right?

Did you ever find Obamas Kenyan birth certificate?

What about Dems grooming kids at the gay pizza shop?

Those classified docs at Trumps house were planted, right?

 

[Paratus]

I say they need to increase stop and frisk (or pullover and frisk) much more in rural areas. Rurals are always carrying weapons, cash, and prescription narcotics which they abuse. They are always aggressively driving around in blinged out trucks and threaten violence at the drop of a hat. This isn’t surprising since their culture glorifies guns, money and violence.

Police need to be frisking and confiscating weapons, money and drugs from these rurals.

 

[brycejones]

No, I'm sick of watching all the crime on the news everyday with these worthless government officials allowing them to get by with no punishment.

lol

 

[pcgeek11]

lol

This is the problem. You and many like you think it's a funny joke.

 

[Vic]

This is the problem. You and many like you think it's a funny joke.

No one is laughing at the idea of combating crime. They're laughing at the fact that you actually believe you're combating crime. Or that you think you have us fooled into believing that.
We all know the real agenda is to use the ruse of combating crime in order to abuse police powers in areas where you can't gain political power at the voting booth.

 

[brycejones]

This is the problem. You and many like you think it's a funny joke.

Whit I find funny is how easily you're manipulated by the media. The news has for decades (especially local news) has lived by "If it bleeds it leads".

What isn't funny is how millions of people like you with broken brains are involved in making decisions about the future of this country. From your own sig:

1. Hard times creates hard men.
2. Hard men creates good times.
3. Good times creates soft men.
4. Soft men creates hard times.

We are at step 4.

YOU ARE STEP 4. You are soft in the head.

 

[Fenixgoon]

This is the problem. You and many like you think it's a funny joke.

let's just throw everyone in jail. problem solved. right?

except the way our current legal system works, it creates a cycle that's near impossible to escape. it is designed to oppress.

 

[pcgeek11]

let's just throw everyone in jail. problem solved. right?

Where did I imply anything remotely like that?