How would the US theoretically react to an attempted missile by North Korea

[raildogg]

The Western war mongers are still trying to convince the masses that N. Korea is a "threat."

Just another nonsense story created to keep the war machine going. But I guess it's working because the masses are buying into this garbage.

 

[HomerJS]

We may be able to drop the "theory part of this thread.

Kim: Gets a small nuke on a missile
Trump: If you threaten the US we will rain fire down on you like the world has never seen
Kim: Ok Mr. Big Mouth, I'm going to preemptively strike Guam. (Guam is a US territory)

Now what. Trump makes a red line threat and Kim calls his bluff.

 

[IronWing]

The Western war mongers are still trying to convince the masses that N. Korea is a "threat."

Just another nonsense story created to keep the war machine going. But I guess it's working because the masses are buying into this garbage.

"Running dogs" usually works.

 

[Thebobo]

We may be able to drop the "theory part of this thread.

Kim: Gets a small nuke on a missile
Trump: If you threaten the US we will rain fire down on you like the world has never seen
Kim: Ok Mr. Big Mouth, I'm going to preemptively strike Guam. (Guam is a US territory)

Now what. Trump makes a red line threat and Kim calls his bluff.

Well looks like I can Guam off of my list of possible places to retire. They have a nice RC club and good health care.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm going to go with "They will be met with fire, fury and, frankly, power the likes of which the world has never seen before."

Trump is too much of a pussy. Do you really think we will bomb North Korea with a power greater then Tsar Bomba?

 

[IronWing]

I'm going to go with "They will be met with fire, fury and, frankly, power the likes of which the world has never seen before."

Oh shit, Trump is threatening to light off his farts.

 

[kage69]

Trump is too much of a pussy. Do you really think we will bomb North Korea with a power greater then Tsar Bomba?

If he didn't know who the hell Frederick Douglas was, I doubt he's aware of the Tsar Bomba test. No Russian History prerequisite when you sign up to suck off Putin I guess.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Trump is too much of a pussy. Do you really think we will bomb North Korea with a power greater then Tsar Bomba?

or the London firebombings for that matter.

I'm pretty sure Trump just exists in the realm of boisterous platitudes.

 

[WackyDan]

I like this idea.



Agree.



I dunno. In this scenario one would expect NK to launch everything they got since they've got nothing to lose now. In fact, I begin to wonder if this scenario, NK launching a single missile, is sensible. If they launch one they may as well launch everything, assuming they have the capability, since the response might well be the same either way.



Agree.

I mean this sincerely - I worry for the people of Los Angeles.

Thing is... I''m not sure they have silos versus just launch pads. We know from imagery and other intel sources when they are about to do a "test" launch. NK setting up several missiles at once on pads would be a big clue and perhaps validation for a preemptive strike on the missile launch facilities... Problem is, it can't stop at one and done, once you take them out NK is going to send everything they have south anyway so you better be ready to put a stop to their initial shit storm of artillery, etc.

 

[WackyDan]

I feel your predictions on timeline are rather .. generous. Anything involving NK would be over in a matter of days at most to minimize casualties to SK. Hell, China would probably step in regardless of the pace just to end it faster to avoid any failed nuclear launches causing fallout in their direction. Nobody wants that hot potato.

Several weeks was overly generous. I prefer not to be too cocky an arm chair general.

 

[WackyDan]

Sweet. We're gonna get nuked. I never thought i'd get nuked, but now I'm kinda thinking it might be a cool way to go.

Question is whether NK actually has sufficient guidance systems to actually hit the population center(s) they target.

Secondly, not sure what yields we are dealing with here but assume they are larger than the bombs we dropped on Japan but not say as fancy as our arsenal where we have warheads measured in output of megatons.

Third... If NK goes full idiot and instigates a war, then look for IRAN to be preemptively spanked just to put an end to their bullshit.

 

[WackyDan]

I'm going to go with "They will be met with fire, fury and, frankly, power the likes of which the world has never seen before."

Yeah... That moment in time today made me do a double take and just shake my head in wonderment as the president probably undid any attempts at back door diplomacy that we or the rest of the world was working on... Either that or it is a brilliant strategy to make Little Kim realize he is mouthing off to someone with a bigger mouth, bigger ego, older deteriorating brain, and a give two shits attitude about where the fuck NK even is on the map.

Seriously.

 

[WackyDan]

I'm old enough to remember seeing "The Day After" as a kid. Pretty much had me hiding under chairs waiting for Soviet missiles to fall.

Better to be hit directly than suffer the radiation and fallout.

I grew up next to Griffiss Air Force base. Home of NORAD's eastern control center, a B-52 bomb wing complete with nukes, an aerial refueling wing, flight training wing, C-130 cargo squadron, and at one time F-106 interceptors.

One morning in the 1980's there was an earthquake up at Blue Mountain Lake in the Adirondacks. I was snoozing the alarm for school and was half asleep when the quake started shaking the house oh so gently. I honestly thought for a few seconds that the Soviets had hit us.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Actually I just read up on it, and it's not that cool of a way to go. Unless you're incinerated in the fireball or destroyed by the shockwave or flying debris instantly, it looks like it gets pretty gruesome. The descriptions from hiroshima describe people completely devoid of skin without eyes, but still alive and walking around aimlessly for days.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_nuclear_explosions

Or be this guy:
He survived Nagasaki and Hiroshima

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi

 

[Maxima1]

Actually I just read up on it, and it's not that cool of a way to go. Unless you're incinerated in the fireball or destroyed by the shockwave or flying debris instantly, it looks like it gets pretty gruesome. The descriptions from hiroshima describe people completely devoid of skin without eyes, but still alive and walking around aimlessly for days.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_nuclear_explosions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokaimura_nuclear_accident

https://www.unbelievable-facts.com/2016/12/hisashi-ouchi.html

Ouch XD

 

[trenchfoot]

Once our air power clears their skies of threats (a matter of hours), bunker busters and cruisers followed by a horde of MOABs and smarties will be raining down on every military and strategically essential asset 'lil Kim Jong un owns, including his stash of western goodies that he keeps well hidden away from his subjects. Spec Op's will be inserted throughout the TO causing as much confusion and mayhem as possible to keep the NK's on their heels. There will be no traditional offensive ground troops being sent in during the initial waves of air assets being deployed over the TO. Tactical defense will be the order of the day for our ground based assets as well as preemptive/counter battery measures taken with overwhelming air support at the border.

Methinks sustained accurate and overpowering round the clock operations would need to be deployed for a minimum of two weeks to force the NK's into submission and/or to convince China that they need to diplomatically intercede on Kim Jong's behalf before his "immortality" becomes unsalvageable.

The Iraqi put down will look like a kid's piñata party compared with what's necessary to keep the DPRK's potential for damage outside of its borders to a minimum.

 

[FIVR]

Once our air power clears their skies of threats (a matter of hours), bunker busters and cruisers followed by a horde of MOABs and smarties will be raining down on every military and strategically essential asset 'lil Kim Jong un owns, including his stash of western goodies that he keeps well hidden away from his subjects. Spec Op's will be inserted throughout the TO causing as much confusion and mayhem as possible to keep the NK's on their heels. There will be no traditional offensive ground troops being sent in during the initial waves of air assets being deployed over the TO. Tactical defense will be the order of the day for our ground based assets as well as preemptive/counter battery measures taken with overwhelming air support at the border.

Methinks sustained accurate and overpowering round the clock operations would need to be deployed for a minimum of two weeks to force the NK's into submission and/or to convince China that they need to diplomatically intercede on Kim Jong's behalf before his "immortality" becomes unsalvageable.

The Iraqi put down will look like a kid's piñata party compared with what's necessary to keep the DPRK's potential for damage outside of its borders to a minimum.

Uh, the first gulf war required hundreds of thousands of American troops and six months of preparations along with the allied contributions of dozens of other countries air forces along with some ground forces. You acknowledge that Korea would make such an operation look like a child's party. So, what kind of preparations and troop deployments would you think are necessary to suppress an enemy such as the DPRK with an order of magnitude more capabilities in material, technical, and quality terms?


DPRK will kick our asses without every single carrier and every soldier the US has deployed simultaneously. It would take years to prepare such an operation. The Koreans have prepared for a million man invasion for 60 years.

 

[ivwshane]

If we are going to discuss hypotheticals, can we at least come up with a scenario a little more interesting? A missile attack? What is this? the sixties?


Here's a much more interesting hypothetical:

How would the US react if a city was destroyed by a dirty bomb? As in a device detonated from the ground. Now here's the fun part, let's say we didn't have a good idea on what entity detonated it.

 

[Trudyblammer]

Theoretically they should declare a war....No one wants that to happen so..

 

[ivwshane]

Oh shit, Trump is threatening to light off his farts.

These are truly scary times! The amount of gas trump is full of surely would create a massive explosion. So large in fact that I think it would destroy his ego. Yeah, it would be that massive!

 

[postmortemIA]

Without troops on the ground, NK is not going to capitulate, regardless of how much [conventional] bombing they get.

 

[mikeymikec]

If this dovetails into a political argument i am going to dovetail out of this thread so fast and since this is theoretical lets not speculate based on who or which party is in charge but more generally.

There is a famous saying:

"War is the continuation of politics by other means."

So the two are pretty much inseparable.

You need to ask yourself what on earth NK would have to gain from waging war against pretty much any country. When you come to the inevitable conclusion that at least one other country will slap them hard with minimal effort for it (ie. that the cost of such an act is far higher than the zero gain), then the only reasonable explanation is that NK just likes to do a bit of pointless posturing so its leader can stroke his own ego. While I'm sure that many wars have started because of a leader's ego, I'm also sure that those wars were ones that leader thought he could win.

However, I have no doubt that if NK had a missile launch against them first, they would respond in kind if they could.

 

[Geekbabe]

Somebody will have to take out Kim, do the people of North Korea a favor & put end to this horrific nonsense

 

[WackyDan]

There is a famous saying:

"War is the continuation of politics by other means."

So the two are pretty much inseparable.

You need to ask yourself what on earth NK would have to gain from waging war against pretty much any country. When you come to the inevitable conclusion that at least one other country will slap them hard with minimal effort for it (ie. that the cost of such an act is far higher than the zero gain), then the only reasonable explanation is that NK just likes to do a bit of pointless posturing so its leader can stroke his own ego. While I'm sure that many wars have started because of a leader's ego, I'm also sure that those wars were ones that leader thought he could win.

However, I have no doubt that if NK had a missile launch against them first, they would respond in kind if they could.

The problem is that Kim may seek immortality via the history books by lobbing some nukes. He'll go down looking like the little asshole he is, but hey... Look how we still talk about Hitler to this day.

He could be a hero and peacefully reunify Korea... But that will never happen as he knows exactly what his people have suffered under his and his father's rule. The vast majority of his common citizens think NK won the Korean war and the grain and fuel shipments they receive are war reparations. Pull that veil off and people are going to be pissed.

 

[trenchfoot]

Uh, the first gulf war required hundreds of thousands of American troops and six months of preparations along with the allied contributions of dozens of other countries air forces along with some ground forces. You acknowledge that Korea would make such an operation look like a child's party. So, what kind of preparations and troop deployments would you think are necessary to suppress an enemy such as the DPRK with an order of magnitude more capabilities in material, technical, and quality terms?


DPRK will kick our asses without every single carrier and every soldier the US has deployed simultaneously. It would take years to prepare such an operation. The Koreans have prepared for a million man invasion for 60 years.

Lessons learned from the Iraq put down, improvements in tech since, planning evolution going back decades on the DPRK, the necessity for a very quick, very unexpected and very violent response the microsecond the Go Green is given etc. This is what I stressed in my previous post. If you would review the post you quoted, the scenario involved a very short and overwhelming air campaign that had nothing to do with armor and boots crossing the border, of which I mentioned our land forces would be limited to and assigned a defensive posture heavily supported by air assets.

The comments on my previous post was limited to our first strike/response capability and had nothing to do with any possible prepared set piece land battle(s) after the first strike re Iraq. Containment and denial are the key operating words in the scenario I described whereas Iraq was one of occupation. Excluding inserting the spec ops I mentioned, any large invasion by occupying land forces into the DPRK would trigger a like military response by the Chinese, therefore my scenario specifically avoided that possibility.

Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to clarify what I was hoping to describe in my previous post. :cheers: